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[MakkaPakka]

It has been proven that even with today's technology we cannot replicate the Egyptian pyramids with the same accuracy. A group of scientists and engineers tried to build a small scale replica of the great pyramid with the exact alignment etc of the real one and they couldn't do it with the same accuracy.

That only proves that one particular group of people were unable to replicate it at a given time - it is not conclusive.

I still don't see what any of this has to do with cables designed by people using machines and built in factories.

 

[pauln]

It has been proven that even with today's technology we cannot replicate the Egyptian pyramids with the same accuracy. A group of scientists and engineers tried to build a small scale replica of the great pyramid with the exact alignment etc of the real one and they couldn't do it with the same accuracy.

Surely everybody knows that aliens were responsible for building the pyamids...

 

[steve_1979]

It has been proven that even with today's technology we cannot replicate the Egyptian pyramids with the same accuracy. A group of scientists and engineers tried to build a small scale replica of the great pyramid with the exact alignment etc of the real one and they couldn't do it with the same accuracy.

Where did you read/see that? Could you site your source because I'll be interested to learn more about it.

 

[steve_1979]

I still don't see what any of this has to do with cables designed by people using machines and built in factories.

Absolutely nothing. But it's got to be more interesting than talking about ruddy cables again.

 

[BenLaw]

It has been proven that even with today's technology we cannot replicate the Egyptian pyramids with the same accuracy. A group of scientists and engineers tried to build a small scale replica of the great pyramid with the exact alignment etc of the real one and they couldn't do it with the same accuracy.

Where did you read/see that? Could you site your source because I'll be interested to learn more about it.

http://michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/2012/07/build-great-pyramid-today/

 

[Covenanter]

It's amazing how easy it is to imagine differences that simply cannot exist. The OP is a classic example of the placebo effect in action, as are all the WHF reviews of mains products.

I'm willing to believe Placebo may play a part in people hearing improvements to their systems after adding mains products, but when person after person claims an improvement in performance and precisely describes how the sound changed for the better, It's too much evidence to ignore.

People who report increased performance with mains products always(in my experience) state the same findings, including increased bass power and depth and overall increased clarity. If it was placebo, surely there would be more veriety in what way the sound of the system improves as each persons expectations will be different.

The clue was in the words "cannot exist". it isn't possible for the wire, or any other mains device that only connects to the mains, to influence the quality of anything. If you think you hear a difference you are mistaken.

Anything is possible, sometimes we need to think outside the box of modern scientific knowledge. Just because we aren't capable of scientifically proving a mains product works means very little. Modern science/technology isn't capable of replicatining the pyramids of Egypt to the same precision, yet they have been standing there for thousands of years......

Of course we could replicate the pyramids if we wanted to. Why on earth do you think we couldn't?

Chris

It has been proven that even with today's technology we cannot replicate the Egyptian pyramids with the same accuracy. A group of scientists and engineers tried to build a small scale replica of the great pyramid with the exact alignment etc of the real one and they couldn't do it with the same accuracy.

Almost unbelieveable that anybody could post that! Reminds me of the old Erich von Daniken stuff.

Chris

 

[MattSPL]

It's amazing how easy it is to imagine differences that simply cannot exist. The OP is a classic example of the placebo effect in action, as are all the WHF reviews of mains products.

I'm willing to believe Placebo may play a part in people hearing improvements to their systems after adding mains products, but when person after person claims an improvement in performance and precisely describes how the sound changed for the better, It's too much evidence to ignore.

People who report increased performance with mains products always(in my experience) state the same findings, including increased bass power and depth and overall increased clarity. If it was placebo, surely there would be more veriety in what way the sound of the system improves as each persons expectations will be different.

The clue was in the words "cannot exist". it isn't possible for the wire, or any other mains device that only connects to the mains, to influence the quality of anything. If you think you hear a difference you are mistaken.

Anything is possible, sometimes we need to think outside the box of modern scientific knowledge. Just because we aren't capable of scientifically proving a mains product works means very little. Modern science/technology isn't capable of replicatining the pyramids of Egypt to the same precision, yet they have been standing there for thousands of years......

Of course we could replicate the pyramids if we wanted to. Why on earth do you think we couldn't?

Chris

It has been proven that even with today's technology we cannot replicate the Egyptian pyramids with the same accuracy. A group of scientists and engineers tried to build a small scale replica of the great pyramid with the exact alignment etc of the real one and they couldn't do it with the same accuracy.

Almost unbelieveable that anybody could post that! Reminds me of the old Erich von Daniken stuff.

Chris

If your actually bothered, do a bit of research and you will find an amazing amount of evidence backing up what I posted. Otherwise, stick to the Hifi, but at least have an open mind that 50% of the Hifi population who do hear differences with mains products can't all be crazy or wrong. Can they?

 

[ISAC69]

It's amazing how easy it is to imagine differences that simply cannot exist. The OP is a classic example of the placebo effect in action, as are all the WHF reviews of mains products.

I'm willing to believe Placebo may play a part in people hearing improvements to their systems after adding mains products, but when person after person claims an improvement in performance and precisely describes how the sound changed for the better, It's too much evidence to ignore.

People who report increased performance with mains products always(in my experience) state the same findings, including increased bass power and depth and overall increased clarity. If it was placebo, surely there would be more veriety in what way the sound of the system improves as each persons expectations will be different.

The clue was in the words "cannot exist". it isn't possible for the wire, or any other mains device that only connects to the mains, to influence the quality of anything. If you think you hear a difference you are mistaken.

Anything is possible, sometimes we need to think outside the box of modern scientific knowledge. Just because we aren't capable of scientifically proving a mains product works means very little. Modern science/technology isn't capable of replicatining the pyramids of Egypt to the same precision, yet they have been standing there for thousands of years......

Of course we could replicate the pyramids if we wanted to. Why on earth do you think we couldn't?

Chris

It has been proven that even with today's technology we cannot replicate the Egyptian pyramids with the same accuracy. A group of scientists and engineers tried to build a small scale replica of the great pyramid with the exact alignment etc of the real one and they couldn't do it with the same accuracy.

Almost unbelieveable that anybody could post that! Reminds me of the old Erich von Daniken stuff.

Chris

If your actually bothered, do a bit of research and you will find an amazing amount of evidence backing up what I posted. Otherwise, stick to the Hifi, but at least have an open mind that 50% of the Hifi population who do hear differences with mains products can't all be crazy or wrong. Can they?

There are two groups one who do hear differences with cables trully love music and can appriciate good products and the second group that can hear any differences between cables they will never admit that their hearing isn't sensitive enough and wrongly jump to a conclusion that it is only a placebo affect :O

 

[andyjm]

It's amazing how easy it is to imagine differences that simply cannot exist. The OP is a classic example of the placebo effect in action, as are all the WHF reviews of mains products.

I'm willing to believe Placebo may play a part in people hearing improvements to their systems after adding mains products, but when person after person claims an improvement in performance and precisely describes how the sound changed for the better, It's too much evidence to ignore.

People who report increased performance with mains products always(in my experience) state the same findings, including increased bass power and depth and overall increased clarity. If it was placebo, surely there would be more veriety in what way the sound of the system improves as each persons expectations will be different.

The clue was in the words "cannot exist". it isn't possible for the wire, or any other mains device that only connects to the mains, to influence the quality of anything. If you think you hear a difference you are mistaken.

Anything is possible, sometimes we need to think outside the box of modern scientific knowledge. Just because we aren't capable of scientifically proving a mains product works means very little. Modern science/technology isn't capable of replicatining the pyramids of Egypt to the same precision, yet they have been standing there for thousands of years......

Of course we could replicate the pyramids if we wanted to. Why on earth do you think we couldn't?

Chris

It has been proven that even with today's technology we cannot replicate the Egyptian pyramids with the same accuracy. A group of scientists and engineers tried to build a small scale replica of the great pyramid with the exact alignment etc of the real one and they couldn't do it with the same accuracy.

Almost unbelieveable that anybody could post that! Reminds me of the old Erich von Daniken stuff.

Chris

If your actually bothered, do a bit of research and you will find an amazing amount of evidence backing up what I posted. Otherwise, stick to the Hifi, but at least have an open mind that 50% of the Hifi population who do hear differences with mains products can't all be crazy or wrong. Can they?

There are two groups one who do hear differences with cables trully love music and can appriciate good products and the second group that can hear any differences between cables they will never admit that their hearing isn't sensitive enough and wrongly jump to a conclusion that it is only a placebo affect :O

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emporer%27s_new_cloths

 

[namefail]

It's amazing how easy it is to imagine differences that simply cannot exist. The OP is a classic example of the placebo effect in action, as are all the WHF reviews of mains products.

I'm willing to believe Placebo may play a part in people hearing improvements to their systems after adding mains products, but when person after person claims an improvement in performance and precisely describes how the sound changed for the better, It's too much evidence to ignore.

People who report increased performance with mains products always(in my experience) state the same findings, including increased bass power and depth and overall increased clarity. If it was placebo, surely there would be more veriety in what way the sound of the system improves as each persons expectations will be different.

The clue was in the words "cannot exist". it isn't possible for the wire, or any other mains device that only connects to the mains, to influence the quality of anything. If you think you hear a difference you are mistaken.

Anything is possible, sometimes we need to think outside the box of modern scientific knowledge. Just because we aren't capable of scientifically proving a mains product works means very little. Modern science/technology isn't capable of replicatining the pyramids of Egypt to the same precision, yet they have been standing there for thousands of years......

Of course we could replicate the pyramids if we wanted to. Why on earth do you think we couldn't?

Chris

It has been proven that even with today's technology we cannot replicate the Egyptian pyramids with the same accuracy. A group of scientists and engineers tried to build a small scale replica of the great pyramid with the exact alignment etc of the real one and they couldn't do it with the same accuracy.

Almost unbelieveable that anybody could post that! Reminds me of the old Erich von Daniken stuff.

Chris

If your actually bothered, do a bit of research and you will find an amazing amount of evidence backing up what I posted. Otherwise, stick to the Hifi, but at least have an open mind that 50% of the Hifi population who do hear differences with mains products can't all be crazy or wrong. Can they?

There are two groups one who do hear differences with cables trully love music and can appriciate good products and the second group that can hear any differences between cables they will never admit that their hearing isn't sensitive enough and wrongly jump to a conclusion that it is only a placebo affect :O

EDITED some link that popped Word verification grrrrr, I hate Word verification.

>>>Yooooo!>>>

<<<I'm quote surfin<<<<

 

[Covenanter]

It's amazing how easy it is to imagine differences that simply cannot exist. The OP is a classic example of the placebo effect in action, as are all the WHF reviews of mains products.

I'm willing to believe Placebo may play a part in people hearing improvements to their systems after adding mains products, but when person after person claims an improvement in performance and precisely describes how the sound changed for the better, It's too much evidence to ignore.

People who report increased performance with mains products always(in my experience) state the same findings, including increased bass power and depth and overall increased clarity. If it was placebo, surely there would be more veriety in what way the sound of the system improves as each persons expectations will be different.

The clue was in the words "cannot exist". it isn't possible for the wire, or any other mains device that only connects to the mains, to influence the quality of anything. If you think you hear a difference you are mistaken.

Anything is possible, sometimes we need to think outside the box of modern scientific knowledge. Just because we aren't capable of scientifically proving a mains product works means very little. Modern science/technology isn't capable of replicatining the pyramids of Egypt to the same precision, yet they have been standing there for thousands of years......

Of course we could replicate the pyramids if we wanted to. Why on earth do you think we couldn't?

Chris

It has been proven that even with today's technology we cannot replicate the Egyptian pyramids with the same accuracy. A group of scientists and engineers tried to build a small scale replica of the great pyramid with the exact alignment etc of the real one and they couldn't do it with the same accuracy.

Almost unbelieveable that anybody could post that! Reminds me of the old Erich von Daniken stuff.

Chris

If your actually bothered, do a bit of research and you will find an amazing amount of evidence backing up what I posted. Otherwise, stick to the Hifi, but at least have an open mind that 50% of the Hifi population who do hear differences with mains products can't all be crazy or wrong. Can they?

I don't need to do research into crazy theories! There are people who believe in all sorts of stuff and life isn't long enough to debunk them all. A good example is 9/11 where I've known people who swear it didn't happen. Indeed I know someone who says the plane didn't crash into the Pentagon although another person we mutually know told him that he was in Arlington that day and saw it.

As for people being crazy I would never say that. I know people hear things but that doesn't mean they are real effects. There is any amount of evidence of placebo effects, expectation bias, etc and that comes from kosher scientists.

Chris

 

[steve_1979]

It's amazing how easy it is to imagine differences that simply cannot exist. The OP is a classic example of the placebo effect in action, as are all the WHF reviews of mains products.

I'm willing to believe Placebo may play a part in people hearing improvements to their systems after adding mains products, but when person after person claims an improvement in performance and precisely describes how the sound changed for the better, It's too much evidence to ignore.

People who report increased performance with mains products always(in my experience) state the same findings, including increased bass power and depth and overall increased clarity. If it was placebo, surely there would be more veriety in what way the sound of the system improves as each persons expectations will be different.

The clue was in the words "cannot exist". it isn't possible for the wire, or any other mains device that only connects to the mains, to influence the quality of anything. If you think you hear a difference you are mistaken.

Anything is possible, sometimes we need to think outside the box of modern scientific knowledge. Just because we aren't capable of scientifically proving a mains product works means very little. Modern science/technology isn't capable of replicatining the pyramids of Egypt to the same precision, yet they have been standing there for thousands of years......

Of course we could replicate the pyramids if we wanted to. Why on earth do you think we couldn't?

Chris

It has been proven that even with today's technology we cannot replicate the Egyptian pyramids with the same accuracy. A group of scientists and engineers tried to build a small scale replica of the great pyramid with the exact alignment etc of the real one and they couldn't do it with the same accuracy.

Almost unbelieveable that anybody could post that! Reminds me of the old Erich von Daniken stuff.

Chris

If your actually bothered, do a bit of research and you will find an amazing amount of evidence backing up what I posted. Otherwise, stick to the Hifi, but at least have an open mind that 50% of the Hifi population who do hear differences with mains products can't all be crazy or wrong. Can they?

There are two groups one who do hear differences with cables trully love music and can appriciate good products and the second group that can hear any differences between cables they will never admit that their hearing isn't sensitive enough and wrongly jump to a conclusion that it is only a placebo affect :O

EDITED some link that popped Word verification grrrrr, I hate Word verification.

>>>Yooooo!>>>

<<<I'm quote surfin<<<<

Weeeee! SPLASH :help:

 

[MakkaPakka]

I sort of envy the unfaltering faith that some people have that they are absolutely 100% right and cannot possibly be mistaken no matter what. It's real conviction.

 

[matt49]

Weeeee! SPLASH :help:

At last someone's said something sensible.

Though I see some people still haven't learnt how to use the quote function (or are too EDITED lazy).

:santa:

Matt

 

[TrevC]

It's amazing how easy it is to imagine differences that simply cannot exist. The OP is a classic example of the placebo effect in action, as are all the WHF reviews of mains products.

I'm willing to believe Placebo may play a part in people hearing improvements to their systems after adding mains products, but when person after person claims an improvement in performance and precisely describes how the sound changed for the better, It's too much evidence to ignore.

People who report increased performance with mains products always(in my experience) state the same findings, including increased bass power and depth and overall increased clarity. If it was placebo, surely there would be more veriety in what way the sound of the system improves as each persons expectations will be different.

The clue was in the words "cannot exist". it isn't possible for the wire, or any other mains device that only connects to the mains, to influence the quality of anything. If you think you hear a difference you are mistaken.

Anything is possible, sometimes we need to think outside the box of modern scientific knowledge. Just because we aren't capable of scientifically proving a mains product works means very little. Modern science/technology isn't capable of replicatining the pyramids of Egypt to the same precision, yet they have been standing there for thousands of years......

Of course we could replicate the pyramids if we wanted to. Why on earth do you think we couldn't?

Chris

It has been proven that even with today's technology we cannot replicate the Egyptian pyramids with the same accuracy. A group of scientists and engineers tried to build a small scale replica of the great pyramid with the exact alignment etc of the real one and they couldn't do it with the same accuracy.

Almost unbelieveable that anybody could post that! Reminds me of the old Erich von Daniken stuff.

Chris

If your actually bothered, do a bit of research and you will find an amazing amount of evidence backing up what I posted. Otherwise, stick to the Hifi, but at least have an open mind that 50% of the Hifi population who do hear differences with mains products can't all be crazy or wrong. Can they?

There are two groups one who do hear differences with cables trully love music and can appriciate good products and the second group that can hear any differences between cables they will never admit that their hearing isn't sensitive enough and wrongly jump to a conclusion that it is only a placebo affect :O

There are those that love music that have sensitive hearing and also understand electronics, and therefore don't waste valuable listening time chasing after dfferences that cannot possibly exist.

 

[ISAC69]

It's amazing how easy it is to imagine differences that simply cannot exist. The OP is a classic example of the placebo effect in action, as are all the WHF reviews of mains products.

I'm willing to believe Placebo may play a part in people hearing improvements to their systems after adding mains products, but when person after person claims an improvement in performance and precisely describes how the sound changed for the better, It's too much evidence to ignore.

People who report increased performance with mains products always(in my experience) state the same findings, including increased bass power and depth and overall increased clarity. If it was placebo, surely there would be more veriety in what way the sound of the system improves as each persons expectations will be different.

The clue was in the words "cannot exist". it isn't possible for the wire, or any other mains device that only connects to the mains, to influence the quality of anything. If you think you hear a difference you are mistaken.

Anything is possible, sometimes we need to think outside the box of modern scientific knowledge. Just because we aren't capable of scientifically proving a mains product works means very little. Modern science/technology isn't capable of replicatining the pyramids of Egypt to the same precision, yet they have been standing there for thousands of years......

Of course we could replicate the pyramids if we wanted to. Why on earth do you think we couldn't?

Chris

It has been proven that even with today's technology we cannot replicate the Egyptian pyramids with the same accuracy. A group of scientists and engineers tried to build a small scale replica of the great pyramid with the exact alignment etc of the real one and they couldn't do it with the same accuracy.

Almost unbelieveable that anybody could post that! Reminds me of the old Erich von Daniken stuff.

Chris

If your actually bothered, do a bit of research and you will find an amazing amount of evidence backing up what I posted. Otherwise, stick to the Hifi, but at least have an open mind that 50% of the Hifi population who do hear differences with mains products can't all be crazy or wrong. Can they?

There are two groups one who do hear differences with cables trully love music and can appriciate good products and the second group that can hear any differences between cables they will never admit that their hearing isn't sensitive enough and wrongly jump to a conclusion that it is only a placebo affect :O

There are those that love music that have sensitive hearing and also understand electronics, and therefore don't waste valuable listening time chasing after dfferences that cannot possibly exist.

You can't ask blind people to chase after colours differences ...

 

[DocG]

It's amazing how easy it is to imagine differences that simply cannot exist. The OP is a classic example of the placebo effect in action, as are all the WHF reviews of mains products.

I'm willing to believe Placebo may play a part in people hearing improvements to their systems after adding mains products, but when person after person claims an improvement in performance and precisely describes how the sound changed for the better, It's too much evidence to ignore.

People who report increased performance with mains products always(in my experience) state the same findings, including increased bass power and depth and overall increased clarity. If it was placebo, surely there would be more veriety in what way the sound of the system improves as each persons expectations will be different.

The clue was in the words "cannot exist". it isn't possible for the wire, or any other mains device that only connects to the mains, to influence the quality of anything. If you think you hear a difference you are mistaken.

Anything is possible, sometimes we need to think outside the box of modern scientific knowledge. Just because we aren't capable of scientifically proving a mains product works means very little. Modern science/technology isn't capable of replicatining the pyramids of Egypt to the same precision, yet they have been standing there for thousands of years......

Of course we could replicate the pyramids if we wanted to. Why on earth do you think we couldn't?

Chris

It has been proven that even with today's technology we cannot replicate the Egyptian pyramids with the same accuracy. A group of scientists and engineers tried to build a small scale replica of the great pyramid with the exact alignment etc of the real one and they couldn't do it with the same accuracy.

Almost unbelieveable that anybody could post that! Reminds me of the old Erich von Daniken stuff.

Chris

If your actually bothered, do a bit of research and you will find an amazing amount of evidence backing up what I posted. Otherwise, stick to the Hifi, but at least have an open mind that 50% of the Hifi population who do hear differences with mains products can't all be crazy or wrong. Can they?

There are two groups one who do hear differences with cables trully love music and can appriciate good products and the second group that can hear any differences between cables they will never admit that their hearing isn't sensitive enough and wrongly jump to a conclusion that it is only a placebo affect :O

There are those that love music that have sensitive hearing and also understand electronics, and therefore don't waste valuable listening time chasing after dfferences that cannot possibly exist.

You can't ask blind people to chase after colours differences ...

Haha! You're funny!