Cables, mains, interconnectors and speaker cables

[Golden Ears]

So presumably you'll agree with me that something like this or this may well work, at least in some systems?

If you mean that RFI may affect the components within audio equipment when carried through the mains cable resulting in possible audible artifacts is a possibility, then I can only reply that anything hinting at being interference in its very nature is not good for a signal path. So if this type of interference is possible to pollute the signal path then I'm a believer that any reduction/removal of such interference can possibly be detected if it was present in the signal path enough to of been audible. But surely not just the mains cable can carry these signals so every cable within the system needs to be capable of cancelling or rejecting this type of interference.

No, I meant that the products in the two links may work in at least certain systems. Do you agree?

lol! I wonder where you dug these gems up from No idea but I own a Frurutech RD-2 that I know to work. It is also a little left field but you've won my smile of the day! I'll have to read them properly later but he'll the fact they were links I can thank you for showing another possibly crack pot idea that might just work. Hahaha

Cheers!

having now taken the time to read your wonderful joke it was at least humorous and certainly the joking gods were busy at work here. I wonder if anyone would think these viable or real? I really thought at first you were trying to be kind (silly me) guess the but of your jokes shall be me hahaha.... I wasn't born yesterday and given time to digest he text it's clear to see the comical side to what so audio freaks will believe

 

[BenLaw]

So presumably you'll agree with me that something like this or this may well work, at least in some systems?

If you mean that RFI may affect the components within audio equipment when carried through the mains cable resulting in possible audible artifacts is a possibility, then I can only reply that anything hinting at being interference in its very nature is not good for a signal path. So if this type of interference is possible to pollute the signal path then I'm a believer that any reduction/removal of such interference can possibly be detected if it was present in the signal path enough to of been audible. But surely not just the mains cable can carry these signals so every cable within the system needs to be capable of cancelling or rejecting this type of interference.

No, I meant that the products in the two links may work in at least certain systems. Do you agree?

lol! I wonder where you dug these gems up from No idea but I own a Frurutech RD-2 that I know to work. It is also a little left field but you've won my smile of the day! I'll have to read them properly later but he'll the fact they were links I can thank you for showing another possibly crack pot idea that might just work. Hahaha

Cheers!

Have a look at them. Each product has no more than a few sentences about it and some customer comments. When you've had a look let us know if you think they are 'crackpot' ideas and if so why.

 

[Golden Ears]

I recon GE u should check Ben's links before commenting. :rofl:

Whats your take on science, ghosts, fairies & ufo's.

I fear your lengthy pronouncements have opened the floodgates for ridicule. Sorry ol' chap

As as for my take on these

Science - has saved lives FACT, causes arguments FACT and leaves much to be disputed FACT

Ghosts - I felt haunted over the couple of nights. These replies oh boy

UFO's - wouldn't be surprised, as for the green men perhaps they're another colour lol!

Cheers

[EDITED by MODS - do not insult other members]

 

[BenLaw]

So presumably you'll agree with me that something like this or this may well work, at least in some systems?

If you mean that RFI may affect the components within audio equipment when carried through the mains cable resulting in possible audible artifacts is a possibility, then I can only reply that anything hinting at being interference in its very nature is not good for a signal path. So if this type of interference is possible to pollute the signal path then I'm a believer that any reduction/removal of such interference can possibly be detected if it was present in the signal path enough to of been audible. But surely not just the mains cable can carry these signals so every cable within the system needs to be capable of cancelling or rejecting this type of interference.

No, I meant that the products in the two links may work in at least certain systems. Do you agree?

lol! I wonder where you dug these gems up from No idea but I own a Frurutech RD-2 that I know to work. It is also a little left field but you've won my smile of the day! I'll have to read them properly later but he'll the fact they were links I can thank you for showing another possibly crack pot idea that might just work. Hahaha

Cheers!

having now taken the time to read your wonderful joke it was at least humorous and certainly the joking gods were busy at work here. I wonder if anyone would think these viable or real? I really thought at first you were trying to be kind (silly me) guess the but of your jokes shall be me hahaha.... I wasn't born yesterday and given time to digest he text it's clear to see the comical side to what so audio freaks will believe

You posted this before my last post. As far as I can see these products (i) have as much supporting science behind them as the cables you're talking about, (ii) have just as much objective listener test evidence behind them as your products, (iii) have similar positive subjective assessments as your products. So why are these crackpot? Surely your mind should be open that the people for whom these products caused an improvement have excellent hearing and are correct?

 

[Golden Ears]

So presumably you'll agree with me that something like this or this may well work, at least in some systems?

If you mean that RFI may affect the components within audio equipment when carried through the mains cable resulting in possible audible artifacts is a possibility, then I can only reply that anything hinting at being interference in its very nature is not good for a signal path. So if this type of interference is possible to pollute the signal path then I'm a believer that any reduction/removal of such interference can possibly be detected if it was present in the signal path enough to of been audible. But surely not just the mains cable can carry these signals so every cable within the system needs to be capable of cancelling or rejecting this type of interference.

No, I meant that the products in the two links may work in at least certain systems. Do you agree?

lol! I wonder where you dug these gems up from No idea but I own a Frurutech RD-2 that I know to work. It is also a little left field but you've won my smile of the day! I'll have to read them properly later but he'll the fact they were links I can thank you for showing another possibly crack pot idea that might just work. Hahaha

Cheers!

Have a look at them. Each product has no more than a few sentences about it and some customer comments. When you've had a look let us know if you think they are 'crackpot' ideas and if so why.

been there replied :clap: not quite mr nutty but I did smile! To think someone could possibly be taken in by this is sad more than funny

 

[BenLaw]

[UNPUBLISHED]

I recon GE u should check Ben's links before commenting. :rofl:

Whats your take on science, ghosts, fairies & ufo's.

I fear your lengthy pronouncements have opened the floodgates for ridicule. Sorry ol' chap

I hadn't noticed his funny bone was sticking out of his rear end. Thanks!

...

Fairies - Ben is loving proof

Aren't you the guy who was complaining people weren't being nice to him? What makes you so special that you're allowed to act like a ****?

 

[BenLaw]

So presumably you'll agree with me that something like this or this may well work, at least in some systems?

If you mean that RFI may affect the components within audio equipment when carried through the mains cable resulting in possible audible artifacts is a possibility, then I can only reply that anything hinting at being interference in its very nature is not good for a signal path. So if this type of interference is possible to pollute the signal path then I'm a believer that any reduction/removal of such interference can possibly be detected if it was present in the signal path enough to of been audible. But surely not just the mains cable can carry these signals so every cable within the system needs to be capable of cancelling or rejecting this type of interference.

No, I meant that the products in the two links may work in at least certain systems. Do you agree?

lol! I wonder where you dug these gems up from No idea but I own a Frurutech RD-2 that I know to work. It is also a little left field but you've won my smile of the day! I'll have to read them properly later but he'll the fact they were links I can thank you for showing another possibly crack pot idea that might just work. Hahaha

Cheers!

Have a look at them. Each product has no more than a few sentences about it and some customer comments. When you've had a look let us know if you think they are 'crackpot' ideas and if so why.

been there replied :clap: not quite mr nutty but I did smile! To think someone could possibly be taken in by this is sad more than funny

You're right, you do make me sad rather than amused. I guess the analogy is lost on you.

 

[Golden Ears]

You posted this before my last post. As far as I can see these products (i) have as much supporting science behind them as the cables you're talking about, (ii) have just as much objective listener test evidence behind them as your products, (iii) have similar positive subjective assessments as your products. So why are these crackpot? Surely your mind should be open that the people for whom these products caused an improvement have excellent hearing and are correct?

I see you thought this method to support your stance? Science and what is experience by and individual have no relevance in he audio domain. Nothing can measure how you percieve sound within your brain. Where's the test data for these joke links you are referring to, I offer nothing I do however have a host of people that shared your disbelief having shifted cables after experience differences. As for why these are crackpot if you're into giving them a second notion you're obviously better funded than I.

All bogus these are most likely links from a forum on how to wind up the people who have experienced cable difference. Also if such products existed I have no doubt some crazy people would try them. I've never purchased a cable by anything other than impulse and curiosity.if a mahpgazine describes it as x, y a etc these are never factors I take note of as every system I've heard has a different signature and a cable in one system may offer a difference which doesn't in another there's no rule of all cables have audible differences. So I really don't get the point of this. You might think that you're trying to show me that I'm on the opposite fence to people who might (if these links were to real products doubtful!) that I'd being laughing and insulting them? Nope I'd keep that to myself if they believe in voodoo who am I to tell them they're wrong but does that mean I can't have an option on the manufacturers claims nope it does not. And I haven't once suggested I have listened to nor believe in such.

 

[BenLaw]

You posted this before my last post. As far as I can see these products (i) have as much supporting science behind them as the cables you're talking about, (ii) have just as much objective listener test evidence behind them as your products, (iii) have similar positive subjective assessments as your products. So why are these crackpot? Surely your mind should be open that the people for whom these products caused an improvement have excellent hearing and are correct?

I see you thought this method to support your stance? Science and what is experience by and individual have no relevance in he audio domain.

So just to be clear, neither science NOR subjective individual experience has any relevance? I'm baffled by that statement but if it's true it seems pretty pointless to post anything more about cables, why don't you start a thread about something else?

Where's the test data for these joke links you are referring to

That's my point. Where's the test data for your cables? Without it they're just as much crackpot as the products in my links. They're either both crackpot or neither, you can't have it both ways.

Btw given your behaviour it's a bit rich accusing me of trying to wind you up. Do I get an apology for your rudeness before?

 

[BigH]

Well you can believe what you want it's a free world. As for understanding electronics and the understanding of how cables can effect electronics this point us mute.

Not sure where you stand on mains quality affecting sound, there are many things that are unexplainable. You're entitled to your opinion but that will not make my experience any less real.

Do you have a dedicated mains spur fitted in your house for your hifi?

i opted for 2 transformers from Avance Electronics, 1 an isolation transformer 1.5kw and a CVT for the front end. Doesn't natter what comes in the otherside is getting decent mains. The CVT has sine regeneration.

So how much money did those cost you and all your cables?

 

[Golden Ears]

[UNPUBLISHED]

I recon GE u should check Ben's links before commenting. :rofl:

Whats your take on science, ghosts, fairies & ufo's.

I fear your lengthy pronouncements have opened the floodgates for ridicule. Sorry ol' chap

I hadn't noticed his funny bone was sticking out of his rear end. Thanks!

...

Fairies - Ben is loving proof

Aren't you the guy who was complaining people weren't being nice to him? What makes you so special that you're allowed to act like a ****?

Not too sure what's upset you but a joke is a joke. Anyone willing to apply so much time to portray anothers experiences as a sad sickness and to then direct them to mythical products for kicks must accept the occasional reply in kind. If you're telling me you are genuinely finding this comment some what upsetting I guess I judged your sense of humor and the ability to take a joke incorrectly. If you're feeling deeply hurt and suffering from this I do apologise as I wouldn't dream of swimming besides you at the bottom of the ocean and I trust this'll go bye as a reply in jest

love ya Ben you're so nice and helpful

 

[Golden Ears]

Well you can believe what you want it's a free world. As for understanding electronics and the understanding of how cables can effect electronics this point us mute.

Not sure where you stand on mains quality affecting sound, there are many things that are unexplainable. You're entitled to your opinion but that will not make my experience any less real.

Do you have a dedicated mains spur fitted in your house for your hifi?

i opted for 2 transformers from Avance Electronics, 1 an isolation transformer 1.5kw and a CVT for the front end. Doesn't natter what comes in the otherside is getting decent mains. The CVT has sine regeneration.

So how much money did those cost you and all your cables?

Advance Electrics were around £800 for the pair 8 years ago when I was living in the UK as for the cables it'd take sometime to work out the current line up as I've bought so many parts over the years. The current mains DH Labs in the system were around £80 each as we have crazy import taxes here in Norway, the speaker cables were bought a while ago from army surplus around $130 plus shipping and local costs interconnectors average £50

 

[BenLaw]

You claimed to take offence several takes when others made comments towards you which they said were jokes. Merely pointing out that you are a hypocrite, both in the way you conduct yourself and in your views on products which have no grounding in science.

 

[Golden Ears]

You posted this before my last post. As far as I can see these products (i) have as much supporting science behind them as the cables you're talking about, (ii) have just as much objective listener test evidence behind them as your products, (iii) have similar positive subjective assessments as your products. So why are these crackpot? Surely your mind should be open that the people for whom these products caused an improvement have excellent hearing and are correct?

I see you thought this method to support your stance? Science and what is experience by and individual have no relevance in he audio domain.

So just to be clear, neither science NOR subjective individual experience has any relevance? I'm baffled by that statement but if it's true it seems pretty pointless to post anything more about cables, why don't you start a thread about something else?

Am I stilling kissing your point? I've never said your experiences are untrue to you so for you to try and tell me mine must be false because nothing tangible can support them is like saying you have. E right to my opinions and any thing you experiences, thought and will think must be tommy liking. Not today

Where's the test data for these joke links you are referring to

That's my point. Where's the test data for your cables? Without it they're just as much crackpot as the products in my links. They're either both crackpot or neither, you can't have it both ways.

Other than individuals who've shared similar experiences I'm not claiming nor have I claimed to have performed scientific studies. Not sure why you think you're demanding them is for me to offer them? I accept your experiences just respect mine

Btw given your behaviour it's a bit rich accusing me of trying to wind you up. Do I get an apology for your rudeness before?

Ii believe the apology if you are truly deploy hurt and can't take but feel you should be able to use others as he but of a joke has been made

 

[Golden Ears]

You claimed to take offence several takes when others made comments towards you which they said were jokes. Merely pointing out that you are a hypocrite, both in the way you conduct yourself and in your views on products which have no grounding in science.

can you find the quotes contains we are / were joking as I clearly missed them here ken all this mess. If found to be as you say I'll review my statement

 

[floyd droid]

I've no idea who that is but the image itself has a distinct 3D effect to my eyes, it's very odd...

No kidding its odd. I tried sharpening it up on the new fandangled flickr but twas having non of it.

 

[Covenanter]

So presumably you'll agree with me that something like this or this may well work, at least in some systems?

If you mean that RFI may affect the components within audio equipment when carried through the mains cable resulting in possible audible artifacts is a possibility, then I can only reply that anything hinting at being interference in its very nature is not good for a signal path. So if this type of interference is possible to pollute the signal path then I'm a believer that any reduction/removal of such interference can possibly be detected if it was present in the signal path enough to of been audible. But surely not just the mains cable can carry these signals so every cable within the system needs to be capable of cancelling or rejecting this type of interference.

No, I meant that the products in the two links may work in at least certain systems. Do you agree?

lol! I wonder where you dug these gems up from No idea but I own a Frurutech RD-2 that I know to work. It is also a little left field but you've won my smile of the day! I'll have to read them properly later but he'll the fact they were links I can thank you for showing another possibly crack pot idea that might just work. Hahaha

Cheers!

Have a look at them. Each product has no more than a few sentences about it and some customer comments. When you've had a look let us know if you think they are 'crackpot' ideas and if so why.

been there replied :clap: not quite mr nutty but I did smile! To think someone could possibly be taken in by this is sad more than funny

Strangely I feel the same about people being "taken in" by mains cables.

Chris

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Hi Ben

Dark Matter, Codename Blue Meanies and Codename Green Meanies

I love these names

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Hi Rick,

just think how much better all your kit could sound with a few of those meanies on the walls and ceiling

Hi Ben

I think i'll try some Smarties

Only Smarties have the answer

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[Golden Ears]

Hi Ben

Dark Matter, Codename Blue Meanies and Codename Green Meanies

I love these names

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Hi Rick,

just think how much better all your kit could sound with a few of those meanies on the walls and ceiling

Hi Ben

I think i'll try some Smarties

Only Smarties have the answer

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

A wonder joke which given to the right person could be their best experience ever.

 

[Golden Ears]

You claimed to take offence several takes when others made comments towards you which they said were jokes. Merely pointing out that you are a hypocrite, both in the way you conduct yourself and in your views on products which have no grounding in science.

im pretty sure you don't live your life quoting science every sentance. It's getting very old. If you're so sure point me to the the data you are quoting the scientists can translate all senses and how the brain perceives them via physical, emotional, audible inputs and I'll gladly let them test me and tell me exactly how I percieve, feel, and experience things if they are 100% accurate I will return here and accept science is king. Until this I think your science disputable as clearly there is no way to ever obtain this data. Enjoy the hunting online it may take you sometime but science will prevail eh?

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Hi Ben

Dark Matter, Codename Blue Meanies and Codename Green Meanies

I love these names

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Hi Rick,

just think how much better all your kit could sound with a few of those meanies on the walls and ceiling

Hi Ben

I think i'll try some Smarties

Only Smarties have the answer

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

A wonder joke which given to the right person could be their best experience ever.

Hi Golden Ears

Now, now stop being a meanie and be nice

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[BenLaw]

You claimed to take offence several takes when others made comments towards you which they said were jokes. Merely pointing out that you are a hypocrite, both in the way you conduct yourself and in your views on products which have no grounding in science.

can you find the quotes contains we are / were joking as I clearly missed them here ken all this mess. If found to be as you say I'll review my statement

Well you replied to at least one of them so I don't know how you 'missed' them. You've been all over this thread so that suggestion sounds like rubbish. Anyway, page 7 post 2 and page 13 post 7 as examples. As I say, you're a boorish hypocrite.

 

[Golden Ears]

You claimed to take offence several takes when others made comments towards you which they said were jokes. Merely pointing out that you are a hypocrite, both in the way you conduct yourself and in your views on products which have no grounding in science.

can you find the quotes contains we are / were joking as I clearly missed them here ken all this mess. If found to be as you say I'll review my statement

Well you replied to at least one of them so I don't know how you 'missed' them. You've been all over this thread so that suggestion sounds like rubbish. Anyway, page 7 post 2 and page 13 post 7 as examples. As I say, you're a boorish hypocrite.

ill read these as for hypoctite I've not changed one thing I said. Boorish that's your right to have an opinion on and that's fine.

as I'm feeling extra boring I wondered if you could confirm a few scientific facts to me as you're the man in the know

1. Is it true that all metal transmit analogue signal the same and that the audio spectrum arrives 100% identical no matter what the substance?

2. Is it true that all material iused for insulation can't affect the signal quality?

3. Is it true that all solder (where used) has the same resistance and no impact on the audio signal where analogue is passed through the conductor?

4. Is it true the cables constructor of multi conductors can not outperform single conductors?

5. Is it true that all engery passing through all conductors is never stored in any insulating material?

6. Is it true the plugs and their material will not impact the signal quality?

7. Is it true that RFI, MFI do not have the ability to cause any degrading artifacts in an anlogue single?

i look forward to your answers and perhaps the educating/undisputed scientific facts you have to support each will convince me to seek medical attention.

Cheers for for your patience and understanding I really do need these clearing up maybe Mr Science has all of the answers if you're struggling.

ray:

 

[Craig M.]

You missed one GE

8. Is it true I can't find any evidence anywhere that anyone has ever been able to tell two cables apart blind despite lots of people trying?

 

[BenLaw]

English isn't your first language, so I'll simply point out that hypocrite doesn't mean changing your mind and boorish isn't the same as boring.

I don't know what you're on about with your questions. You said science was irrelevant. I was making the simple point that if subjective experience is all that matters the products you consider 'crackpot' are no more or less valid than the cables you've been banging on about, unless YOU want to show us some scientific basis or objective test results.