Cables, mains, interconnectors and speaker cables

[ID.]

There's always those slight differences which could be described as the placebo effect, surely a little difference might be possible maybe not. But the stark changes that can be heard by the majority of listeners experiencing the same system and cables if changed goes without doubt.

Don't underestimate the power of the mind. Why would expectation bias only account for small differences? Many people quite rightly can also claim that the small difference is from the cable, while the big difference is in the mind.

The only time I heard a significant difference was when I went from using the supplied interconnect to a decent one. But I've become ambivalent about it all, even though I believe they can make a difference.

Loads of people claim to have seen ghosts and UFOs. Doesn't make it true.

 

[cheeseboy]

There's always those slight differences which could be described as the placebo effect, surely a little difference might be possible maybe not. But the stark changes that can be heard by the majority of listeners experiencing the same system and cables if changed goes without doubt. I've listened for changes that I first thought were there and on reflection put those down to amplitude, however that is still a change. The other cable had the detail but it wasn't as obvious due to the signal not being as strong.

As for the money factor I've never spent big money. I have recieved Transparent Audio cables, Blackmagic, Audioquest Van den hul all of which have been excellent but I've settled for home made £60 interconnectors in the end. I've only one store bought cable in my system that's an optical cable.

I think you'd be surprised how large the placebo effect and expectation bias have on the brain, and therefore our senses. This has been proven many times, and they can even point to the part of the brain that it happens in. Have a looky here for information. As much as we may not want to believe it, these things happen subconiously and there's not much we can do about it.

http://everythingnowbook.wordpress.com/extracts/coke-pepsi-challenge/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromarketing

 

[RobinKidderminster]

Is a speaker cable described as'smooth & refined but needing a touch of verve' really worth £8pm or should I look for 'a massivelydetailed cable which reveals subtlties with refinement' at£50pm?

No solutions yet?

Science, can prove the existence but rarely the non-existence. Hence ghosts, fairies or ufo's can never be discounted by science. Its just that these have never been scientifically observed (yet). Hence science will never prove that cables make no difference even if it has never observed or measured a difference. So all us scientists get real. We should believe in cables differences, fairies, ufo's & ghosts just in case they do exist.

 

[Singslinger]

Hello GE, I'm a cable believer and am wondering if you ever got a reply to your original question? Or did everyone get sidetracked by the debate?

 

[floyd droid]

Oh my! You've turned into our favourite sociopathic genius.

It took me a little while to appear on certain browsers , but I found you in the end :twisted:

 

[The_Lhc]

Oh my! You've turned into our favourite sociopathic genius.

It took me a little while to appear on certain browsers , but I found you in the end :twisted:

I've no idea who that is but the image itself has a distinct 3D effect to my eyes, it's very odd...

 

[chebby]

Oh my! You've turned into our favourite sociopathic genius.

It took me a little while to appear on certain browsers , but I found you in the end :twisted:

I've no idea who that is but the image itself has a distinct 3D effect to my eyes, it's very odd...

It's Alice Morgan from 'Luther'.

 

[pauln]

I'm taking onboard earlier advice to hardwire directly into the mains...

Should sort out the hum I get which I'm sure was due to the non-audiophile fuse in the plug.

 

[matt49]

Science, can prove the existence but rarely the non-existence. Hence ghosts, fairies or ufo's can never be discounted by science. Its just that these have never been scientifically observed (yet). Hence science will never prove that cables make no difference even if it has never observed or measured a difference. So all us scientists get real. We should believe in cables differences, fairies, ufo's & ghosts just in case they do exist.

Pascal's Wager

 

[davedotco]

Oh my! You've turned into our favourite sociopathic genius.

It took me a little while to appear on certain browsers , but I found you in the end :twisted:

I've no idea who that is but the image itself has a distinct 3D effect to my eyes, it's very odd...

It's Alice Morgan from 'Luther'.

Indeed, the second sexiest woman on TV in recent months......

 

[visionary]

I'm taking onboard earlier advice to hardwire directly into the mains...

Should sort out the hum I get which I'm sure was due to the non-audiophile fuse in the plug.

Think it would sound better if you had woven some of them together

 

[Golden Ears]

Well you can believe what you want it's a free world. As for understanding electronics and the understanding of how cables can effect electronics this point us mute.

Not sure where you stand on mains quality affecting sound, there are many things that are unexplainable. You're entitled to your opinion but that will not make my experience any less real.

Do you have a dedicated mains spur fitted in your house for your hifi?

i opted for 2 transformers from Avance Electronics, 1 an isolation transformer 1.5kw and a CVT for the front end. Doesn't natter what comes in the otherside is getting decent mains. The CVT has sine regeneration.

 

[spiny norman]

Indeed, the second sexiest woman on TV in recent months......

But then Mary Berry was always going to be a tough act to follow.

 

[Golden Ears]

Hello GE, I'm a cable believer and am wondering if you ever got a reply to your original question? Or did everyone get sidetracked by the debate?

If only! The can of worms, box of frogs have crawled into the thread to help my early onset of mental illness as clearly they're all of sound mind and judgement. I may just bite the bullet and try the cable. I had hoped someone might have experienced it prior to investing! However given the time and effort here I could've probably used the £132 (approx) in cable cost and been mentally happier even if it sucked

 

[Golden Ears]

On with the day!

 

[RobinKidderminster]

At least fairies, ghosts and ufo's are free so believing in them costs me nout'.

 

[Golden Ears]

Not a cheap snipe, I never do anything on the cheap. But anyway you say you don't understand this. Why not do a little research and find out? It's a well-known phenomenum and actually very simple.

Chris

Tthe principle it easy the equations etc are not. I of course understand that RFI has cropped up in audio circles other the last few decades. But I do not pretend to get the mathematical equations etc and doubt the majority do. It's this data I'm referring to when I state I don't know if it's true or false nor understand the science. Of course you probably are educated in science with a masters and can follow he theory including data, diagrams etc. I'm not going to start a science degree at this stage in my life. But if the simple basis for the theory is your knowledge hen you're no wiser than me.

either way theory without practical data and the facts that every divice is created differently and some components are affected differently to others and the list goes on into infinity it's impossible to test every combination. So testing is impractical, material, solder, case god only knows the fool who thinks the have the subject mastered need only begin to open their mind to the infinite amount of variations and factors.

so to class it as simple I beg to differ simple if not thought through maybe

 

[BenLaw]

either way theory without practical data and the facts that every divice is created differently and some components are affected differently to others and the list goes on into infinity it's impossible to test every combination. So testing is impractical, material, solder, case god only knows the fool who thinks the have the subject mastered need only begin to open their mind to the infinite amount of variations and factors.

so to class it as simple I beg to differ simple if not thought through maybe

So presumably you'll agree with me that something like this or this may well work, at least in some systems?

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Hi Ben

Dark Matter, Codename Blue Meanies and Codename Green Meanies

I love these names

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[BenLaw]

Hi Ben

Dark Matter, Codename Blue Meanies and Codename Green Meanies

I love these names

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Hi Rick,

just think how much better all your kit could sound with a few of those meanies on the walls and ceiling

 

[Golden Ears]

So presumably you'll agree with me that something like this or this may well work, at least in some systems?

If you mean that RFI may affect the components within audio equipment when carried through the mains cable resulting in possible audible artifacts is a possibility, then I can only reply that anything hinting at being interference in its very nature is not good for a signal path. So if this type of interference is possible to pollute the signal path then I'm a believer that any reduction/removal of such interference can possibly be detected if it was present in the signal path enough to of been audible. But surely not just the mains cable can carry these signals so every cable within the system needs to be capable of cancelling or rejecting this type of interference.

 

[BenLaw]

So presumably you'll agree with me that something like this or this may well work, at least in some systems?

If you mean that RFI may affect the components within audio equipment when carried through the mains cable resulting in possible audible artifacts is a possibility, then I can only reply that anything hinting at being interference in its very nature is not good for a signal path. So if this type of interference is possible to pollute the signal path then I'm a believer that any reduction/removal of such interference can possibly be detected if it was present in the signal path enough to of been audible. But surely not just the mains cable can carry these signals so every cable within the system needs to be capable of cancelling or rejecting this type of interference.

No, I meant that the products in the two links may work in at least certain systems. Do you agree?

 

[Golden Ears]

Hi Ben

Dark Matter, Codename Blue Meanies and Codename Green Meanies

I love these names

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Well that's a familiar place. Derby's where I lived whilst in the UK many years ago! Home of a few Audio specialists and a manufacturer if I remember correctly. Not quite sure how your sales are going when quoting these features to your customers lol! I'm sure the it results in a non audio debate and perhaps that's the point

 

[Golden Ears]

So presumably you'll agree with me that something like this or this may well work, at least in some systems?

If you mean that RFI may affect the components within audio equipment when carried through the mains cable resulting in possible audible artifacts is a possibility, then I can only reply that anything hinting at being interference in its very nature is not good for a signal path. So if this type of interference is possible to pollute the signal path then I'm a believer that any reduction/removal of such interference can possibly be detected if it was present in the signal path enough to of been audible. But surely not just the mains cable can carry these signals so every cable within the system needs to be capable of cancelling or rejecting this type of interference.

No, I meant that the products in the two links may work in at least certain systems. Do you agree?

lol! I wonder where you dug these gems up from No idea but I own a Frurutech RD-2 that I know to work. It is also a little left field but you've won my smile of the day! I'll have to read them properly later but he'll the fact they were links I can thank you for showing another possibly crack pot idea that might just work. Hahaha

Cheers!

 

[RobinKidderminster]

I recon GE u should check Ben's links before commenting. :rofl:

Whats your take on science, ghosts, fairies & ufo's.

I fear your lengthy pronouncements have opened the floodgates for ridicule. Sorry ol' chap