TX-P50GT50 exchange for 50VT50??

[strapped for cash]

Richer Sounds should have the GT60 in a few day's.. Thats what i have been told. I think for now ill stick with the VT50 2012.. I have 90 day cooling of period.. I'll run the set in, wait and see if problems occur..If not ill keep it, if they do..Like end up with the GT60. I hope i haven't done wrong by going for the VT50 2012.....

My understanding is that you've now started a new contract, which means you have a 28 day cooling off period, starting the day you take delivery.

If the VT50 has issues, you can obtain a full refund, no questions asked. I appreciate this isn't ideal, as it would involve further hassle, but you can rest easy that you're covered should the VT50 not meet expectations.

Ignore the "28 day" comment. As you clearly stated, you have a 90 day cooling off period, which is even better! I'd imagine prices for this year's sets will have dropped a bit further by then, if you need to exchange.

 

[strapped for cash]

I'm wondering if JL will stock the GT60 once their stock runs low of GT50's....they still seem to have a lot online....

I wonder how many are returns? A stock excess perhaps influenced JL's choice of models this year.

 

[bigboss]

Ah, I found it, colours dont work though! Cheers.

Well, you've disabled rich text, so colours, underline, italics etc. won't work.

 

[mr malarky]

Just bought the VT65; delivery Thursday AM.

Fingers crossed all is OK and that this marks the end of a sorry saga...

So, has it turned up yet??

Come on strapped, the suspense is killing me!

 

[strapped for cash]

The VT65 is here, up and running, and extremely good!

The upgrade over the GT50 was clear the moment I switched the TV on and made a few picture tweaks.

The only minor niggle is line bleed (snooker is perhaps the torture test for this). There's some line bleed, but it's not as distracting as on last year's sets. I haven't seen it on any other content, though to be honest I haven't had a chance to watch much else yet.

I ran grey slides to check for uniformity problems and there's perhaps a very faint vertical line toward the right hand edge (I had to scrutinise the panel very closely to spot this). This sounds alarming but I honestly don't think it's an issue. I can't see it on any actual content and it's nothing like the vertical bands on all three GT50s I owned. As far as actual viewing goes, the screen looks perfectly uniform, though I need to watch some football to verify that all is OK.

There's zero buzzing (and I mean zero). Fan noise is audible with the volume muted, but very quiet and not distracting. I mention this to be thorough.

In every regard this TV notably outperforms the GT50. Images have more punch and depth. Colours and shadow detail are more nuanced. Motion is smoother (including 50Hz). Images appear more stable and natural (I can understand comments that the picture looks "more analogue").

There's also worthwhile improvement in sound quality. While the VT65's speakers can't match my multichannel setup, there's greater weight and a natural tone to voices.

In short, so far, so good, though these are early impressions.

 

[bigboss]

:cheers:

 

[mr malarky]

excellent news mate, appreciate its early days but fingers crossed a happy ending

 

[BenLaw]

:bounce:

 

[strapped for cash]

Thanks for the support guys.

I think you're celebrating more than I am (perhaps at the prospect that I'll finally shut up about TV problems).

I'll remain circumspect. The TV seems OK at the moment and the picture is genuinely stunning. BBB and Gel, I know you're interested, so I'll reiterate. The VT65 represents a worthwhile upgrade over last year's sets. Oh, and according to someone over at AV, JL will stock the GT60 in a fortnight's time, which contradicts what I was told.

Unless a problem develops, I'm sticking with the VT. No need to rock the boat. I may finally have reached a point where I'm happy with my system and can rest easy.

 

[bigboss]

I did suspect that JL not stocking GT60 was a mere speculation.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

The VT65 is here, up and running, and extremely good!

The upgrade over the GT50 was clear the moment I switched the TV on and made a few picture tweaks.

The only minor niggle is line bleed (snooker is perhaps the torture test for this). There's some line bleed, but it's not as distracting as on last year's sets. I haven't seen it on any other content, though to be honest I haven't had a chance to watch much else yet.

I ran grey slides to check for uniformity problems and there's perhaps a very faint vertical line toward the right hand edge (I had to scrutinise the panel very closely to spot this). This sounds alarming but I honestly don't think it's an issue. I can't see it on any actual content and it's nothing like the vertical bands on all three GT50s I owned. As far as actual viewing goes, the screen looks perfectly uniform, though I need to watch some football to verify that all is OK.

There's zero buzzing (and I mean zero). Fan noise is audible with the volume muted, but very quiet and not distracting. I mention this to be thorough.

In every regard this TV notably outperforms the GT50. Images have more punch and depth. Colours and shadow detail are more nuanced. Motion is smoother (including 50Hz). Images appear more stable and natural (I can understand comments that the picture looks "more analogue").

There's also worthwhile improvement in sound quality. While the VT65's speakers can't match my multichannel setup, there's greater weight and a natural tone to voices.

In short, so far, so good, though these are early impressions.

Ah nice one - sounds really good. What does the fan noise sound like? When you say the picture has more punch, I guess you are saying brighter? Would I notice this even on normal settings? Because my picture is pretty bright, would it be even brighter? How are the black levels?

Good news on the GT60. Cheers.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Oh yeah, when you say line bleed on the snooker, are you referring to the lines for example on a football pitch not being right? Like doubling of images for example.

 

[strapped for cash]

I did suspect that JL not stocking GT60 was a mere speculation.

Well, when I called on Friday, I was advised by the audio-visual department that they're only stocking the VT65 and F8500 this year.

The sales guy was perhaps misinformed, or didn't know and thought he'd better make something up. Alternatively, JL may have decided to stock the GT60 in response to general interest. The guy that posted over at AV may be wrong also. Perhaps the GT60 won't be stocked.

I'm still not clear on the situation.

 

[strapped for cash]

Oh yeah, when you say line bleed on the snooker, are you referring to the lines for example on a football pitch not being right? Like doubling of images for example.

I think what you're describing is Dynamic False Contouring (double images and other artifacts such as "purple snakes" that show up during panning shots). You might also be describing dithering, which is more noticeable on the GT50's "Normal" picture mode.

Line bleed is like a shadow that spreads across parts of the screen. For instance, when watching snooker and a player (or the referee) walks past the table, the part of the table parallel with the player looks slightly darker. It's an inherent plasma problem, though it's more or less evident on different plasma TVs.

Another obvious line bleed test is TV or film credits, where white text on a black background results in white lines extending horizontally across the screen. The MPAA rating screen also clearly reveals line bleed. See this:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1235720/the-official-lg-xxpk550-owners-discussion-thread-no-price-talk/2820 (post #2830).

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Oh yeah, when you say line bleed on the snooker, are you referring to the lines for example on a football pitch not being right? Like doubling of images for example.

I think what you're describing is Dynamic False Contouring (double images and other artifacts such as "purple snakes" that show up during panning shots). You might also be describing dithering, which is more noticeable on the GT50's "Normal" picture mode.

Line bleed is like a shadow that spreads across parts of the screen. For instance, when watching snooker and a player (or the referee) walks past the table, the part of the table parallel with the player looks slightly darker. It's an inherent plasma problem, though it's more or less evident on different plasma TVs.

Another obvious line bleed test is TV or film credits, where white text on a black background results in white lines extending horizontally across the screen. The MPAA rating screen also clearly reveals line bleed. See this:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1235720/the-official-lg-xxpk550-owners-discussion-thread-no-price-talk/2820 (post #2830).

Ah cheers, I have not noticed any of them, so I didn't know what it was. I did another post on the previous page too. Cheers.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Oh yeah, when you say line bleed on the snooker, are you referring to the lines for example on a football pitch not being right? Like doubling of images for example.

I think what you're describing is Dynamic False Contouring (double images and other artifacts such as "purple snakes" that show up during panning shots). You might also be describing dithering, which is more noticeable on the GT50's "Normal" picture mode.

Line bleed is like a shadow that spreads across parts of the screen. For instance, when watching snooker and a player (or the referee) walks past the table, the part of the table parallel with the player looks slightly darker. It's an inherent plasma problem, though it's more or less evident on different plasma TVs.

Another obvious line bleed test is TV or film credits, where white text on a black background results in white lines extending horizontally across the screen. The MPAA rating screen also clearly reveals line bleed. See this:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1235720/the-official-lg-xxpk550-owners-discussion-thread-no-price-talk/2820 (post #2830).

I always thought that was image retention?

 

[strapped for cash]

Ah nice one - sounds really good. What does the fan noise sound like? When you say the picture has more punch, I guess you are saying brighter?

Would I notice this even on normal settings? Because my picture is pretty bright, would it be even brighter? How are the black levels?

Fan noise is a non issue. To put this into perspective, buzzing on the GT50 bothered me. The fan noise is like a dull background whirr you only hear with the volume muted. It doesn't upset me in the slightest. You could hear the fans on my G10 and the VT65's fans are much quieter. Honestly, it's not worth worrying about.

Comparing the VT65 with the GT50, blacks are blacker and whites are whiter on the VT65. The difference isn't night and day, but there's clear improvement at both ends of the contrast spectrum. This higher native contrast makes images seem punchier, with greater depth (there's a three dimensionality to images I didn't really get with the GT50). Again, the difference isn't substantial, but you'll notice the improvement.

Images are plenty bright enough for me with the contrast set at 60 (maximum is 100 on this year's sets). Any higher and images look too bright to my eyes (and that's with a gamma setting of 2.4).

I'm most pleased by how stable and natural the picture looks. There's an analogue quality to images (by which I mean it doesn't feel like you're watching a digital TV).

 

[strapped for cash]

I always thought that was image retention?

Just to confuse matters, some IR is evident on that photo too (the 3D logo in the bottom right hand corner). The line bleed extends from the edges of the white MPAA logo in the middle of the screen.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I always thought that was image retention?

Just to confuse matters, some IR is evident on that photo too (the 3D logo in the bottom right hand corner). The line bleed extends from the edges of the white MPAA logo in the middle of the screen.

Cheers Strapped. I think line bleed is about the only thing I have yet to experience. Let us know how you get on with football. Have you been watching many Blu-rays?

 

[Nick_Shepherd]

Congrats strapped....the VT65 sounds like a cracker.

JL called me today to see what I was doing, I asked again about the GT50 as I can't go to the VT65, and asked them if they hadn't stocked it yet as they still had lots of GT50's.....they said they will check and call me Friday or Monday....

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Looking good Strapped, fingers crossed.

Keep the feedback coming.

 

[strapped for cash]

Football is looking good. If I'm nitpicking, there's a hint of extra brightness at the right fringe of the screen during fast pans. To be clear, this is nothing like the stripes I saw on the GT50. If this is as bad as things get, I'm happy.

50 Hz motion is much improved. There's very mild doubling imaging (e.g. halfway line) during fast pans, but it's very hard to spot. I mention this only to be thorough. I'm most impressed by how stable and detailed the image remains during medium and fast pans (this is a notable improvement over last year's sets).

My only other gripe is that there's a mild green tint to images, but calibration will sort that out.

I hope this doesn't sound like over-enthusiasm or hyperbole. As I'm sure you know, if something really bothered me you'd be hearing about it. Of course the TV isn't perfect, but it's the best I've seen (admittedly it's a while since I watched a ninth gen Kuro, and I've never seen a KRP in action).

You tempted?

 

[strapped for cash]

Congrats strapped....the VT65 sounds like a cracker.

JL called me today to see what I was doing, I asked again about the GT50 as I can't go to the VT65, and asked them if they hadn't stocked it yet as they still had lots of GT50's.....they said they will check and call me Friday or Monday....

Hang in there. There are indications that JL will stock the GT60 a few weeks from now.

 

[strapped for cash]

Have you been watching many Blu-rays?

None yet. I might have a late night movie-fest.

 

[BenLaw]

Football is looking good. If I'm nitpicking, there's a hint of extra brightness at the right fringe of the screen during fast pans. To be clear, this is nothing like the stripes I saw on the GT50. If this is as bad as things get, I'm happy.

50 Hz motion is much improved. There's very mild doubling imaging (e.g. halfway line) during fast pans, but it's very hard to spot. I mention this only to be thorough. I'm most impressed by how stable and detailed the image remains during medium and fast pans (this is a notable improvement over last year's sets).

My only other gripe is that there's a mild green tint to images, but calibration will sort that out.

I hope this doesn't sound like over-enthusiasm or hyperbole. As I'm sure you know, if something really bothered me you'd be hearing about it. Of course the TV isn't perfect, but it's the best I've seen (admittedly it's a while since I watched a ninth gen Kuro, and I've never seen a KRP in action).

You tempted?

I'd be worried if there wasn't a mild green tint to the football!