TX-P50GT50 exchange for 50VT50??

[strapped for cash]

You can't once the image has been burned into the screen.

Since you've had problems with IR, I thought I'd mention that the VT65 exhibits none whatsoever (and I mean none).

I was watching the snooker on my GT50 before it went back. Every time Dennis drew an escape line on screen, it remained visible for quite a while after. This hasn't happenned once on my VT65. Even if I look at a full white screen after testing content with static graphics, I can't see any trace of residual images. Hopefully the same is true of the GT60.

Honestly BBB, if your budget can stretch to it, the VT65 really is the solution you're looking for. I'm stunned by how great the picture is with all content; it's a notable improvement over the GT50 in every regard.

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

You can't once the image has been burned into the screen.

Since you've had problems with IR, I thought I'd mention that the VT65 exhibits none whatsoever (and I mean none).

I was watching the snooker on my GT50 before it went back. Every time Dennis drew an escape line on screen, it remained visible for quite a while after. This hasn't happenned once on my VT65. Even if I look at a full white screen after testing content with static graphics, I can't see any trace of residual images. Hopefully the same is true of the GT60.

Honestly BBB, if your budget can stretch to it, the VT65 really is the solution you're looking for. I'm stunned by how great the picture is with all content; it's a notable improvement over the GT50 in every regard.

I will be able to afford the VT65, though, PQ wise, I expect the GT60 is every bit as good, so I may wait until JL get the GT60 in, then ask the question.

What's the VT got, that the GT hasn't?

How's the VT65 with standard def pictures?

 

[strapped for cash]

I will be able to afford the VT65, though, PQ wise, I expect the GT60 is every bit as good, so I may wait until JL get the GT60 in, then ask the question.

What's the VT got, that the GT hasn't?

How's the VT65 with standard def pictures?

The difference between the GT60 and VT65 isn't night and day in terms of PQ.

The two main advantages are the filter, which seems extremely effective during daytime viewing, and the red phosphor, which makes reds look, well, more red. (That isn't hyperbole. Older Panasonics couldn't fully saturate red. You genuinely can tell the difference whenever you see a London bus, or postbox, etc. displayed). I'm not sure how much difference the extra shades of gradation make to shadow detail. I'd need to view both TVs, calibrated, side-by-side in a light controlled environment, with suitably testing content.

Aside from PQ, the dual tuner PVR functionality works wonders for me. I have a 1TB HDD attached, which is neatly tucked away and negates the need for an extra box in my already cluttered AV cabinet. I'm guessing this isn't important to you, since you use Sky.

The inbuilt speakers work better than I anticipated too. All sound options are a bit lame except for "Ambience," which sounds surprisingly full and natural. I watched Jools Holland last night and bass notes were reasonably punchy, tuneful, and defined. If you use your TV's inbuilt speakers at all, you'll appreciate the difference.

Beyond the above it's really down to styling. The VT65 is a nice looking TV. The one sheet of glass design really sets the picture off, while the clear strip at the bottom is a nice touch too.

I wouldn't blame you for saving a bit of money and going with the GT60. It's the best value option. I can only add that I wouldn't swap my VT65 for a GT60 and the difference in cost (though my requirements are subtly different from yours).

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

I will be able to afford the VT65, though, PQ wise, I expect the GT60 is every bit as good, so I may wait until JL get the GT60 in, then ask the question.

What's the VT got, that the GT hasn't?

How's the VT65 with standard def pictures?

The difference between the GT60 and VT65 isn't night and day in terms of PQ.

The two main advantages are the filter, which seems extremely effective during daytime viewing, and the red phosphor, which makes reds look, well, more red. (That isn't hyperbole. Older Panasonics couldn't fully saturate red. You genuinely can tell the difference whenever you see a London bus, or postbox, etc. displayed). I'm not sure how much difference the extra shades of gradation make to shadow detail. I'd need to view both TVs, calibrated, side-by-side in a light controlled environment, with suitably testing content.

Aside from PQ, the dual tuner PVR functionality works wonders for me. I have a 1TB HDD attached, which is neatly tucked away and negates the need for an extra box in my already cluttered AV cabinet. I'm guessing this isn't important to you, since you use Sky.

The inbuilt speakers work better than I anticipated too. All sound options are a bit lame except for "Ambience," which sounds surprisingly full and natural. I watched Jools Holland last night and bass notes were reasonably punchy, tuneful, and defined. If you use your TV's inbuilt speakers at all, you'll appreciate the difference.

Beyond the above it's really down to styling. The VT65 is a nice looking TV. The one sheet of glass design really sets the picture off, while the clear strip at the bottom is a nice touch too.

I wouldn't blame you for saving a bit of money and going with the GT60. It's the best value option. I can only add that I wouldn't swap my VT65 for a GT60 and the difference in cost (though my requirements are subtly different from yours).

Thanks Strapped.

There's nothing there that makes me think I must have the VT, but I guess it all depends on whether JL will stock the GT, and if they're prepared to exchange my GT50.

I'll be working away until atleast the end of May, so I'll just keep my eye on the GT stock situation.

I'm please you've got the tv you've been after though Strapped, and it does sound like a step up.

I'm watching football now, and the dse is still there, but, only when I look at the right hand side of the screen. The IR problem has lessened, though I can still see traces of the sky sports logo after watching just one half of a game on very light backgrounds, but it does right itself relatively quickly now.

I've got a bit of money owing, but I'm torn between upgrading my av amp, tv, or turntable. I could possibly do two of the three, but as the tv is only 4 months old, it should really come last. That's certainly what my wife thinks.

I can still get the RX-A1020 for £699, and they've also offered me a RX-A2020 for £799, which is a great price, though far too good for my speakers.

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Might pop down to JL in a while, and see what they've got in stock, and maybe ask a few questions about possible exchanges and GT60s

 

[strapped for cash]

Might pop down to JL in a while, and see what they've got in stock, and maybe ask a few questions about possible exchanges and GT60s

It's probably worth a call to check they have the new TVs on display. All branches have the F8500 on the shop floor, but they won't have the GT60 (we don't even know if this model will be stocked). Maybe not every branch has the VT65 up and running yet.

In your situation the GT60 seems something of a no-brainer, if JL stocks this model and will exchange your GT50. Price matched currently you'd only be spending another £250, perhaps leaving enough to upgrade both AVR and turntable.

On the AVR front, I've no complaints about the 810. There were a few initial niggles and some tweaking needed, but it's a supremely capable piece of kit for the price. You shouldn't worry about a warranty, either, since Yamaha provides an extended warranty if you register your purchase online.

It's not my business, but the I think the TV is a priority. For me, getting this right was the difference between owning a system I couldn't enjoy and a system that's left me grinning ear to ear.

If your local JL has the VT65 on display, it's worth a trip just to get a sense of how it performs. I'll be interested to hear how you think it compares with the Samsung.

 

[rocketrazor]

Strapped glad it all seems to have been sorted for you now and that you have a tv your happy with, even if it cost a little more than you wanted. At least you can sleep well now

bbb i noticed you said you still have ir issues. It's worth bearing in mind that Panasonic confirmed to the engineers working on my tv that a common issue for the gt50 was that the voltage settings were set to high on it, thus causing unwanted ir for users. It was a quick fix for the engineers and one that was resolved easily, just a shame bout my other issues, but that's all detailed on a different thread.

Here's for some happy viewing remedies for all us unhappy gt50 owners

 

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How do you remove the pen mark from the screen? I'm going to my local home cinema shop sometime soon, hopefully they have got some new stock.

I haven't got a clue. I might auction the pen on Ebay. I don't think I'd ever use it.

After all the messing around over the last four months, I've now got five pairs of active 3D specs. I might put a couple of pairs up for auction as well.

I'm extremely happy with my system now. It does everything I want to a standard I'm delighted with. The only weak link is the subwoofer; but since I can't use a sub without seriously upsetting neighbours, there's no point in looking for an alternative right now.

In fact, I might auction the subwoofer, too. It's no more than a wooden box that takes up space and is never switched on. The combined take would lessen some of the pain from recent expenditure.

Hope you get to see the new sets in action soon. I'll be interested to hear what you think.

No magic cloth then?

 

[strapped for cash]

No magic cloth then?

This isn't Hogwarts Gel!

 

[strapped for cash]

Strapped glad it all seems to have been sorted for you now and that you have a tv your happy with, even if it cost a little more than you wanted. At least you can sleep well now

bbb i noticed you said you still have ir issues. It's worth bearing in mind that Panasonic confirmed to the engineers working on my tv that a common issue for the gt50 was that the voltage settings were set to high on it, thus causing unwanted ir for users. It was a quick fix for the engineers and one that was resolved easily, just a shame bout my other issues, but that's all detailed on a different thread.

Here's for some happy viewing remedies for all us unhappy gt50 owners

Thanks RR.

Good point on the IR front. BBB will have to decide whether his GT50 needs surgery.

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Went browsing around the tvs in JL this afternoon, and was approached by a lady from Panasonic.

Brilliant I thought, just the person. So I asked her about JL stocking the GT60, and she responded by saying, "are you sure there is a GT60, as I don't have it listed on my sheet"

Not a great start, but I did get an answer about when JL will be stocking the VT65 in store, mid May. Though she did say that no stores had stock yet, not even the big stores in London.

I was looking at the F8500 which was just behind the GT50, and I told her that I owned the GT, but was looking to exchange it because of the dse and ir problems.

Unfortunately, a guy who was in the process of (possibly) buying the GT, pulled me into the conversation he was having with a member of JL's staff, and I'm not sure he was impressed about the dse, and the JL guy didn't look impressed either, if the looks he was giving me are anything to go by.

I left soon after, as it didn't seem a good time to ask about a possible exchange.

The Samsung didn't look that great though.

 

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Went browsing around the tvs in JL this afternoon, and was approached by a lady from Panasonic.

Brilliant I thought, just the person. So I asked her about JL stocking the GT60, and she responded by saying, "are you sure there is a GT60, as I don't have it listed on my sheet"

Not a great start, but I did get an answer about when JL will be stocking the VT65 in store, mid May. Though she did say that no stores had stock yet, not even the big stores in London.

I was looking at the F8500 which was just behind the GT50, and I told her that I owned the GT, but was looking to exchange it because of the dse and ir problems.

Unfortunately, a guy who was in the process of (possibly) buying the GT, pulled me into the conversation he was having with a member of JL's staff, and I'm not sure he was impressed about the dse, and the JL guy didn't look impressed either, if the looks he was giving me are anything to go by.

I left soon after, as it didn't seem a good time to ask about a possible exchange.

The Samsung didn't look that great though.

Did you see what picture settings the Samsung was on? Mid May for the VT65 - sounds okay, pity they cant get it sooner though.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

No magic cloth then?

This isn't Hogwarts Gel!

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Samsung looked like it was on Dynamic gel.

I'm sure it was on BBC1 HD, but the sharpness was lacking for me, but it's so hard to tell the PQ when it's on Dynamic.

 

[strapped for cash]

Went browsing around the tvs in JL this afternoon, and was approached by a lady from Panasonic.

Brilliant I thought, just the person. So I asked her about JL stocking the GT60, and she responded by saying, "are you sure there is a GT60, as I don't have it listed on my sheet"

Not a great start, but I did get an answer about when JL will be stocking the VT65 in store, mid May. Though she did say that no stores had stock yet, not even the big stores in London.

I was looking at the F8500 which was just behind the GT50, and I told her that I owned the GT, but was looking to exchange it because of the dse and ir problems.

Unfortunately, a guy who was in the process of (possibly) buying the GT, pulled me into the conversation he was having with a member of JL's staff, and I'm not sure he was impressed about the dse, and the JL didn't look impressed either, if the looks he was giving me are anything to go by.

I left soon after, as it didn't seem a good time to ask the guy from JL about a possible exchange.

The Samsung didn't look that great though.

1) I struggle to believe how uninformed AV department staff usually are. You feel like screaming "This is my hobby, but it's your job!!!"

2) If there's no stock, even in London, I'd love to know where the TV in my living room came from.

3) Sounds like you did your good deed for the day with the customer in store.

4) Interesting that the Sammy didn't look so impressive.

5) I understand why you left, but you might have negotiated a great deal by threatening to stick around!

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Samsung looked like it was on Dynamic gel.

I'm sure it was on BBC1 HD, but the sharpness was lacking for me, but it's so hard to tell the PQ when it's on Dynamic.

If it looked bright it was probably on dynamic - I left it on normal and it was really dark.

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Went browsing around the tvs in JL this afternoon, and was approached by a lady from Panasonic.

Brilliant I thought, just the person. So I asked her about JL stocking the GT60, and she responded by saying, "are you sure there is a GT60, as I don't have it listed on my sheet"

Not a great start, but I did get an answer about when JL will be stocking the VT65 in store, mid May. Though she did say that no stores had stock yet, not even the big stores in London.

I was looking at the F8500 which was just behind the GT50, and I told her that I owned the GT, but was looking to exchange it because of the dse and ir problems.

Unfortunately, a guy who was in the process of (possibly) buying the GT, pulled me into the conversation he was having with a member of JL's staff, and I'm not sure he was impressed about the dse, and the JL didn't look impressed either, if the looks he was giving me are anything to go by.

I left soon after, as it didn't seem a good time to ask the guy from JL about a possible exchange.

The Samsung didn't look that great though.

1) I struggle to believe how uninformed AV department staff usually are. You feel like screaming "This is my hobby, but it's your job!!!"

2) If there's no stock, even in London, I'd love to know where the TV in my living room came from.

3) Sounds like you did your good deed for the day with the customer in store.

4) Interesting that the Sammy didn't look so impressive.

5) I understand why you left, but you might have negotiated a great deal by threatening to stick around!

1. She was employed directly by Panasonic, so even worse really

2. Exactly

3. Maybe

4. Dynamic mode doesn't do anything any favours though

5. JL guy was quite big, and he knew how to give a look.

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Liverpool are winning 6 -0 at Newcastle, with 7 mins to go.

 

[Nick_Shepherd]

In store business is not the same as online business and stock is separate and different...this is the same for many large on line stores....clothing is a good example....

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Liverpool are winning 6 -0 at Newcastle, with 7 mins to go.

That will do nicely! :cheers:

 

[strapped for cash]

5. JL guy was quite big, and he knew how to give a look.

Even better. If assaulted by staff you get your TV of choice for free! Simply sport a neck brace and cower in his presence to claim.*

* No liability is accepted for personal injury or material loss resulting from this (or any other) advice.

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

5. JL guy was quite big, and he knew how to give a look.

Even better. If assaulted by staff you get your TV of choice for free! Simply sport a neck brace and cower in his presence to claim.*

* No liability is accepted for personal injury or material loss resulting from this (or any other) advice.

Didn't work for me in TK Maxx. I cut my head on the racking two weeks running, complained to the manager after the second one, filled out a form, and they never bothered to contact me.

I was annoyed, because it could quite easily have been a kids eye, but they didn't seem too bothered.

I feel an email might be heading there way.

 

[strapped for cash]

Didn't work for me in TK Maxx.

I feel an email might be heading there way.

Expect an XXL Bench hoodie in the post soon!

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Didn't work for me in TK Maxx.

I feel an email might be heading there way.

Expect an XXL Bench hoodie in the post soon!

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I see how the pen works:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&v=ls4N1MR3T7U