To my ears USB cables do make a difference.

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Jasonovich

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Cat 8 is useful, if you want to connect switches in data centres. It's overkill for any domestic installation. You might find short runs of this stuff in Google buildings, but I doubt anyone else would need this bandwidth.

Why should it be exclusive to data centres, Its cheap, it works. I think that's all that matters?
 

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Mate I'm not arguing. If you go back to my opening thread... To my ears... What is it you have difficulty comprehending?
you misinterpreted my post, all i'm saying is nothing will work on some ppl, not even a "to my ears" argument. And I was saying ppl aren't even bothering with checking out the videos you linked, 'cause they "know better".
 
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you misinterpreted my post, all i'm saying is nothing will work on some ppl, not even a "to my ears" argument. And I was saying ppl aren't even bothering with checking out the videos you linked, 'cause they "know better".
Bet you wish you hadn't tried to help his case 🤔
(I could see you were on his side).
 

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My point entirely - I wouldn't be so bothered if people said their thing once and moved on, but that's not how cable threads work. Ten pages of round and round the garden...
Doesn't surprise (or bother) me.
Feelings are bound to be strong.

One side are being told they're imagining things.
The other side are (effectively) being asked not to rule out that Father Christmas is real.
 

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USB cables use computer protocols to transmit data (If they didn't they would not be able to communicate with USB equipment, so checks and balances are in place.
You are confusing sp-dif with USB, sp-dif does indeed transmit the digital audio data live, however USB does not.


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The article clearly states that "All audio data is transferred over isochronous transfers" and that for isochronous transfers "The data has a CRC as normal, but if the receiving side detects an error there is no resend mechanism.

PS: Aside from this note, this post is verbatim copy of post #84.
 

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Doesn't surprise (or bother) me.
Feelings are bound to be strong.

One side are being told they're imagining things.
The other side are (effectively) being asked not to rule out that Father Christmas is real.
Did you watch the video OP linked? 'Cause it seems to me like sometimes one side just wants to stick fingers in their ears and go "lalalalala".
 
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Sometimes I hate being right...
Honestly it was well intended, I never imagined such polarity but hey-ho lessons have been learnt.

There were overtones of McCarthyism, a vociferous campaign against alleged communists err sorry,
USBeeist, alas, I have inadvertently knocked back our cause into the bosom of darkness.
The Nayers with their superior numbers are forcing us back into the closet but I say to all USBeeist be brave, be bold, speak out and be counted, you are not one nor a zero, but you are a faithful reproduction of the music.

Yeah that was crass....

Thank you both for your patience and direction :)
 

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Honestly it was well intended, I never imagined such polarity but hey-ho lessons have been learnt.

There were overtones of McCarthyism, a vociferous campaign against alleged communists err sorry,
USBeeist, alas, I have inadvertently knocked back our cause into the bosom of darkness.
The Nayers with their superior numbers are forcing us back into the closet but I say to all USBeeist be brave, be bold, speak out and be counted, you are not one nor a zero, but you are a faithful reproduction of the music.

Yeah that was crass....

Thank you both for your patience and direction :)
Well, some of us know a bit more technical stuff with regards to cables in communication applications. Unfortunately these extra facts are ignored even when presented before the "can't hear a difference" crowd.

There may or may not be an audible difference, but 0 an 1s can be altered in USB transmission because USB transmission works in a different mode for Audio, as post #84 explained and post #237 repeated.
 

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Well, some of us know a bit more technical stuff with regards to cables in communication applications. Unfortunately these extra facts are ignored even when presented before the "can't hear a difference" crowd.

There may or may not be an audible difference, but 0 an 1s can be altered in USB transmission because USB transmission works in a different mode for Audio, as post #84 explained and post #237 repeated.
Thank you for bringing 'a welcome balance' into this thread. (y)
 
One side are being told they're imagining things.
The other side are (effectively) being asked not to rule out that Father Christmas is real.
Just my take on it, but that feels like it reinforces what I said about being patronising. You could have said 'believe something for which there is no rational basis/no evidence'.

But who cares? As long as people are not being rude to one another, knock yourselves out. If anyone feels that line get crossed please report it - I won't be looking otherwise!

I'm just surprised that people don't get bored with saying the same things over and over.
 

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Did you watch the video OP linked? 'Cause it seems to me like sometimes one side just wants to stick fingers in their ears and go "lalalalala".
I did watch the one he linked to about USB cables because I never stick my fingers in my ears.
And I never disregard what anyone has to say.

I would like to ask you and Jason a question.
Feel free to dismiss it as irrelevant and not even bother to answer.
Have you ever been hypnotised?
I'm not trying to be funny, but I've had close experience watching stage hypnotists in action.
Some people could be hypnotised, made to do and say anything.
Others, no chance.
I'd definitely put Jason in the first category.
Nothing wrong with that, brains work differently.
....just my theory, I'm up for being proved wrong 👍
 

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Well, some of us know a bit more technical stuff with regards to cables in communication applications. Unfortunately these extra facts are ignored even when presented before the "can't hear a difference" crowd.

There may or may not be an audible difference, but 0 an 1s can be altered in USB transmission because USB transmission works in a different mode for Audio, as post #84 explained and post #237 repeated.
The transmission protocol is different, the 0 & 1s remain the same, nice try though.

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