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RTHerringbone

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Merry Christmas all! First post (and first thread), so please be gentle :)

Background: I'm 46 and so have primarily been buying music in the CD era. I made the questionable decision with my dad 15+ years ago to rip all my albums onto a NAS drive, preempting the streaming revolution which shortly after rendered *days* of ripping CDs rather pointless. Fast forward to now, where I'm a father of two and a household of me, my wife and two kids that consume music through Sonos products and Spotify - I'm sorry. The NAS drive is disconnected and sitting in a drawer somewhere.

A few months back, my father-in-law "gifted" us a terrible old Aldi / Lidl turntable with a few excellent old records; The Doors, Hendrix, Fleetwood Mac, The Beatles. The turntable is at best a decade-old £50 lump, currently being amplified and output through some equally old Roberts DAB / CD Player. I'm very much aware I'm not painting an audiophile picture here, but my hearing is far from exemplary and should shape your future advice.

More background: I am a gadget obsessive. My ears might not be the sharpest, but I'm a sucker for buying tech and developing new hobbies, and here's the core of the thread. Our tastes are fairly diverse - a lot of mid-90s Indie / grunge stuff, coupled with blues, jazz, neoclassical, classical, folk, rock, trip-hop. What we want to do is give ourselves an entry-level platform from which to grow our vinyl collection and listen to it in reasonable quality, but our early focus is about growing that number of records rather than the quality of the output. We've thoroughly enjoyed the experience of going back to record shops and the process of listening to vinyl. We want to build a collection of our favourite albums to give us something of a hobby to develop together.

Then, when the kids move out and we gain space and/or move house, we'll have room for a better system to appreciate our collection. So: what should we get at this early stage? We have an established Sonos network which we enjoy but are not wedded to. We have a pair of old Monitor Audio Silver RX1 bookshelf speakers in the loft. My gut says a turntable with an integrated phono stage is probably "good enough" for our initial steps on this journey, and that we can then connect that either to the old speakers (though we haven't the space to set them far enough apart for them to shine), or to a new Sonos speaker(s).

Then, as space permits, we can happily sell off these components and look to build a longer-term solution. My research is limited and my knowledge is zero. I've seen a bunch of names you'll all know well - Rega and Pro-Ject at the forefront - what do you propose? Budget of £1,000 max, space is a real issue, and ease of use and ideally integration with the existing Sonos setup are priorities. I've seen options like the Rega Planar 1 Plus or Pro-Ject T1 Phono SB bundled with a Sonos Era 300.

Alternatively, the money "saved" by not buying the Sonos Era 300 (£300+) can be reinvested into a better TT and separate phono stage, to be hooked up to the RX1s which we can potentially just move around the room to get them 4+ foot apart when we're listening to music. Equally, we could just buy a phono stage to bypass the Roberts setup and use proper speakers, which might make the iffy Aldi / Lidl deck sound a whole lot better in the short-term and save a bundle of cash.

EDIT: I'm leaning towards a Rega Planar 1 and Rega Fono MM MK5 currently, based on nothing other than Dr. Google.

Happy for all my surface level research to be blown out of the water and entirely new possibilities presented.
 
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Welcome to the dark side 😈 I’m 43, been collecting vinyl since my teenage years. I still love listening to it.

There’s a slight problem with your plan: a turntable with built in phono stage still needs an amplifier. You could run a turntable like that into your Sonos as it’s a powered speaker, but you’ll be missing out on the real joy of listening in stereo.

Two options:
1. buy a turntable & an amp. Something like the Marantz PM6007 is an excellent starting point & has a good phono stage. At around £500 you can easily afford the Rega P1 plus cables etc & connect your monitor audio speakers.
2. Keep it super simple & look at this all-in-one package, which I think costs about £999 https://www.rega.co.uk/products/Rega-System-One
 
Welcome to the dark side 😈 I’m 43, been collecting vinyl since my teenage years. I still love listening to it.

There’s a slight problem with your plan: a turntable with built in phono stage still needs an amplifier. You could run a turntable like that into your Sonos as it’s a powered speaker, but you’ll be missing out on the real joy of listening in stereo.

Two options:
1. buy a turntable & an amp. Something like the Marantz PM6007 is an excellent starting point & has a good phono stage. At around £500 you can easily afford the Rega P1 plus cables etc & connect your monitor audio speakers.
2. Keep it super simple & look at this all-in-one package, which I think costs about £999 https://www.rega.co.uk/products/Rega-System-One
Pretty much exactly what I was about to write.....
 

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Thanks all - bit of a fundamental gap in my research if I missed the need for an amp :LOL:

I note the Marantz model suggested but am keen to see if I can find a more compact amp with a phono stage. I've seen the Rega io and Brio (neither have digital connectivity) and Pro-Ject MaiA S3 (a tad under-powered for my speakers) but will look into some other manufacturers too.

I also take on board the comments about potential complications with upgrading Rega turntables, so will look at alternative manufacturers here as well.
 
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Thanks all - bit of a fundamental gap in my research if I missed the need for an amp :LOL:

I note the Marantz model suggested but am keen to see if I can find a more compact amp with a phono stage. I've seen the Rega io and Brio (neither have digital connectivity) and Pro-Ject MaiA S3 (a tad under-powered for my speakers) but will look into some other manufacturers too.

I also take on board the comments about potential complications with upgrading Rega turntables, so will look at alternative manufacturers here as well.
Hi, I recommend to look on Rega Planar 2 with new Rega cartridge ND 03. This combination is very good. Sound difference against Planar 1 with Carbon cartridge is larger than price gap. If you opt for Rega amp like small Io or Brio you do not need separate phono preamp for MM cartridge. Phono preamp in those Rega amps is very good for a such combination. And combination of lively Rega amp with Monitor Audio speakers will work fine. Monitor Audio are a bit darker sounding needing some power to wake up, which Rega has in spades. BR.
 
Hi, I recommend to look on Rega Planar 2 with new Rega cartridge ND 03. This combination is very good. Sound difference against Planar 1 with Carbon cartridge is larger than price gap. If you opt for Rega amp like small Io or Brio you do not need separate phono preamp for MM cartridge. Phono preamp in those Rega amps is very good for a such combination. And combination of lively Rega amp with Monitor Audio speakers will work fine. Monitor Audio are a bit darker sounding needing some power to wake up, which Rega has in spades. BR.
Did you miss the bit about digital?
 

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And combination of lively Rega amp with Monitor Audio speakers will work fine. Monitor Audio are a bit darker sounding needing some power to wake up, which Rega has in spades.
How can I actually be sure of that? I've seen varying guides as to how to ensure that amps and speakers are compatible, but they're a bit opaque. One school of thought is that simply you need an amp with a nominal impedance range aligning with the speakers (the RX1s are 6 ohms), but both the Rega io and Brio are listed at 8 ohms only - no range to them at all.

It does make me wonder if I need to not have the RX1s as a limiting factor here. They were OK when I got them 15 years ago for ~£400 in a budget setup - would they still be OK or do I need to consider shoehorning some new speakers into the budget (or increasing the budget to accommodate them)?
 

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Your speakers will be more than fine & will suit a Rega amp. The Brio should work no problem with 6ohm.

If you need digital, look at the WiiM models for a cheap & easy way to connect streaming/bluetooth. The app is much better than Sonos imo, too. The mini starts at £130, but the Pro Plus is probably the better one to go for as an amp like the Brio doesn’t have an inbuilt dac, so you might want a better one on the WiiM for quality sound.
 
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Your speakers will be more than fine & will suit a Rega amp. The Brio should work no problem with 6ohm.

If you need digital, look at the WiiM models for a cheap & easy way to connect streaming/bluetooth. The app is much better than Sonos imo, too. The mini starts at £130, but the Pro Plus is probably the better one to go for as an amp like the Brio doesn’t have an inbuilt dac, so you might want a better one on the WiiM for quality sound.
Thanks - it's good to know that there's still a growth path for me if I want to add a streaming option in future, and that it isn't blocked by the lack of digital inputs on the Brio. The Brio and a Planar 1 are emerging as definite options.
 
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That Pro-Ject bundle caught my eye when looking at the MaiA S3 . The whole package is £1,600 at John Lewis in the UK (and basically the same if you source each component elsewhere). Then another ~£400 for the speaker stands, about £2m for the house and I too can have a photogenic setup!
 

Fandango Andy

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Merry Christmas all! First post (and first thread), so please be gentle :)

Background: I'm 46 and so have primarily been buying music in the CD era. I made the questionable decision with my dad 15+ years ago to rip all my albums onto a NAS drive, preempting the streaming revolution which shortly after rendered *days* of ripping CDs rather pointless. Fast forward to now, where I'm a father of two and a household of me, my wife and two kids that consume music through Sonos products and Spotify - I'm sorry. The NAS drive is disconnected and sitting in a drawer somewhere.

A few months back, my father-in-law "gifted" us a terrible old Aldi / Lidl turntable with a few excellent old records; The Doors, Hendrix, Fleetwood Mac, The Beatles. The turntable is at best a decade-old £50 lump, currently being amplified and output through some equally old Roberts DAB / CD Player. I'm very much aware I'm not painting an audiophile picture here, but my hearing is far from exemplary and should shape your future advice.

More background: I am a gadget obsessive. My ears might not be the sharpest, but I'm a sucker for buying tech and developing new hobbies, and here's the core of the thread. Our tastes are fairly diverse - a lot of mid-90s Indie / grunge stuff, coupled with blues, jazz, neoclassical, classical, folk, rock, trip-hop. What we want to do is give ourselves an entry-level platform from which to grow our vinyl collection and listen to it in reasonable quality, but our early focus is about growing that number of records rather than the quality of the output. We've thoroughly enjoyed the experience of going back to record shops and the process of listening to vinyl. We want to build a collection of our favourite albums to give us something of a hobby to develop together.

Then, when the kids move out and we gain space and/or move house, we'll have room for a better system to appreciate our collection. So: what should we get at this early stage? We have an established Sonos network which we enjoy but are not wedded to. We have a pair of old Monitor Audio Silver RX1 bookshelf speakers in the loft. My gut says a turntable with an integrated phono stage is probably "good enough" for our initial steps on this journey, and that we can then connect that either to the old speakers (though we haven't the space to set them far enough apart for them to shine), or to a new Sonos speaker(s).

Then, as space permits, we can happily sell off these components and look to build a longer-term solution. My research is limited and my knowledge is zero. I've seen a bunch of names you'll all know well - Rega and Pro-Ject at the forefront - what do you propose? Budget of £1,000 max, space is a real issue, and ease of use and ideally integration with the existing Sonos setup are priorities. I've seen options like the Rega Planar 1 Plus or Pro-Ject T1 Phono SB bundled with a Sonos Era 300.

Alternatively, the money "saved" by not buying the Sonos Era 300 (£300+) can be reinvested into a better TT and separate phono stage, to be hooked up to the RX1s which we can potentially just move around the room to get them 4+ foot apart when we're listening to music. Equally, we could just buy a phono stage to bypass the Roberts setup and use proper speakers, which might make the iffy Aldi / Lidl deck sound a whole lot better in the short-term and save a bundle of cash.

EDIT: I'm leaning towards a Rega Planar 1 and Rega Fono MM MK5 currently, based on nothing other than Dr. Google.

Happy for all my surface level research to be blown out of the water and entirely new possibilities presented.

Its a a terrible hobby and you won't like any of those records, just give up on the idea and regift them to me!

Given the limitations in placement, budget and hearing, I wouldn't overthink it:

  1. The Monitor Audio's are decent speakers, they should be more than good enough to get you started.
  2. You are going to struggle to beat Marantz for an Amp at that price point.
  3. Pro-Ject and Rega are the kings of record players at that budget.

In your position, would go for Pro-Ject Debut Carbon £349 + Marantz PM6007 £359 (or look at the Stereo 70, or PN7000N if you want a network receiver £200 - £250 more but still within budget)

I know nothing about Sonos, but a quick google tells me you can get Sonos Port for £339. If you want a streamer but doesn't need to be Sonos, take a look at the various options from WiiM or the aforementioned Marantz Stereo 70, or PN7000N.
 

Fandango Andy

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Welcome to the dark side 😈 I’m 43, been collecting vinyl since my teenage years. I still love listening to it.

There’s a slight problem with your plan: a turntable with built in phono stage still needs an amplifier. You could run a turntable like that into your Sonos as it’s a powered speaker, but you’ll be missing out on the real joy of listening in stereo.

Two options:
1. buy a turntable & an amp. Something like the Marantz PM6007 is an excellent starting point & has a good phono stage. At around £500 you can easily afford the Rega P1 plus cables etc & connect your monitor audio speakers.
2. Keep it super simple & look at this all-in-one package, which I think costs about £999 https://www.rega.co.uk/products/Rega-System-One
Even better than that, you can get a PM6007 for £359 now!
 
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Given the limitations in placement, budget and hearing, I wouldn't overthink it
I revel in overthinking. A case in point:

I'm now considering taking the RX1s out of the equation and.....opting for some active Ruark MR1 MkII desktop speakers. It seems like a wild swing in my thinking, but the listening space is limited so I've added a photo as that'll be handy to illustrate the constraints.

The system will be in that right-hand alcove, likely on top of the same little two drawer desk. In my head, I can see a turntable with a built in pre-amp in the middle, and one of the little Ruark speakers on either side. Currently we just listen to records as background music rather than a focused listening session - it'll be on if we're eating at the table (or if the lid is taken off the table and we're playing pool).

Clearly there's no room available there for the RX1s (or any bookshelf speaker) to be placed permanently, and it would be a PITA to have to shuffle them in and out of position each time we want to listen to a record. Remembering that we're currently listening to a supermarket turntable through a crappy little Roberts DAB/CD player, I'm optimistic that any upgrade to the turntable and amplification will be significant.

Does this sound totally insane? I think smart, small, active desktop speakers (they're sub £300) coupled with a new turntable must represent improvements, and given the location of the system and how we currently listen, this feels like a pragmatic compromise? If this does sound fairly sensible, then my only remaining issue becomes the turntable selection.
 

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Thanks all - bit of a fundamental gap in my research if I missed the need for an amp :LOL:

I note the Marantz model suggested but am keen to see if I can find a more compact amp with a phono stage. I've seen the Rega io and Brio (neither have digital connectivity) and Pro-Ject MaiA S3 (a tad under-powered for my speakers) but will look into some other manufacturers too.

I also take on board the comments about potential complications with upgrading Rega turntables, so will look at alternative manufacturers here as well.

I have given a fuller response where I recommended the Marantz too. I stand by that if you can find the space, if not a couple of smaller options:

Mission 778X £549
NAD D3020 V2 £399

They are both very good, but not as good, and for more money.

Post an image of where you intend to place them. The forum can probably give you some ideas, including how to make you speakers work best within the limitations.
 

Fandango Andy

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I revel in overthinking. A case in point:

I'm now considering taking the RX1s out of the equation and.....opting for some active Ruark MR1 MkII desktop speakers. It seems like a wild swing in my thinking, but the listening space is limited so I've added a photo as that'll be handy to illustrate the constraints.

The system will be in that right-hand alcove, likely on top of the same little two drawer desk. In my head, I can see a turntable with a built in pre-amp in the middle, and one of the little Ruark speakers on either side. Currently we just listen to records as background music rather than a focused listening session - it'll be on if we're eating at the table (or if the lid is taken off the table and we're playing pool).

Clearly there's no room available there for the RX1s (or any bookshelf speaker) to be placed permanently, and it would be a PITA to have to shuffle them in and out of position each time we want to listen to a record. Remembering that we're currently listening to a supermarket turntable through a crappy little Roberts DAB/CD player, I'm optimistic that any upgrade to the turntable and amplification will be significant.

Does this sound totally insane? I think smart, small, active desktop speakers (they're sub £300) coupled with a new turntable must represent improvements, and given the location of the system and how we currently listen, this feels like a pragmatic compromise? If this does sound fairly sensible, then my only remaining issue becomes the turntable selection.
I just suggested you post a photo as you were posting a photo, great minds!

You have lots of space for the amp ant record player, as you have identified the issue is speakers. The only thing I can say, is think outside the alcove. can you post some other pictures of the room?
 

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