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[GSV Ethics Gradient]

There´s nothing fancy or complicated about it.

If we're talking about how we perceive depth, the information is obviously in there and could be measured. But how exactly do we do that? Not saying it's not possible, but it's a lot more difficult than measuring frequency response etc. How do we separate reflected or echoing sound from the original, particularly in the higher pitched sounds that help us locate things. You'd need an algorithm to do that, which means somebody has to decide how it's done. That's a step removed from the objectivity that is being suggested should be able to be applied.

Like I say, not saying it's impossible, but I think it is actually a pretty complex task. Albeit one that our brains have evolved to do effortlessly.

 

[GroeneLeeuw]

If we're talking about how we perceive depth, the information is obviously in there and could be measured. But how exactly do we do that? Not saying it's not possible, but it's a lot more difficult than measuring frequency response etc. How do we separate reflected or echoing sound from the original, particularly in the higher pitched sounds that help us locate things. You'd need an algorithm to do that, which means somebody has to decide how it's done. That's a step removed from the objectivity that is being suggested should be able to be applied.

Like I say, not saying it's impossible, but I think it is actually a pretty complex task. Albeit one that our brains have evolved to do effortlessly.

If you´d be comparing 2 sets, or a combination (same amp, different speakers, same speakers with different amps), you measure the equipment and the room.
The differences would become visible and one would be able to say what is causing it.

Examples of measures of the hardware:
- Distortion, noise floor, frequency response

Examples of the measures of the room:
- Reflections, reverberation, frequency response, standing waves

 

[GSV Ethics Gradient]

I'm not talking about a comparison - just talking about how soundstage depth, acoustic etc would be measured. I know it will all boil down to fidelity, but the implication of some of the posts made thus far is that this can be measured - and if it can be, it must be able to be measured in isolation. So rather than broad-brush terms like distortion, what exactly are we measuring that will tell us how well kit does this job?

I'm not convinced that anyone here (certainly including me!) knows.

 

[Al ears]

I'm not talking about a comparison - just talking about how soundstage depth, acoustic etc would be measured. I know it will all boil down to fidelity, but the implication of some of the posts made thus far is that this can be measured - and if it can be, it must be able to be measured in isolation. So rather than broad-brush terms like distortion, what exactly are we measuring that will tell us how well kit does this job?

I'm not convinced that anyone here (certainly including me!) knows.

to my mind soundstage depth is perceived not produced so impossible to measure as everyone will hear something different.

 

[davidf]

I'm not convinced that anyone here (certainly including me!) knows.

But they do know, as they're men of science, and science knows (and can measure) everything. Google/AI says otherwise, but who's going to believe Google/AI?

 

[davidf]

to my mind soundstage depth is perceived not produced so impossible to measure as everyone will hear something different.

But it's there, whether we can hear it or not. It's not like me listening to Brian May's guitar solos and hearing two amorous cats.

 

[GroeneLeeuw]

I'm not convinced that anyone here (certainly including me!) knows.

If you´re saying that what actually needs to be measured is the person listening, and trying to find out what is it that they´re hearing and perceiving:

Brain: there are several options, an MRI is one of them
Hearing: audiometer is an option

 

[woodbar]

It would be interesting - trying to listen to Brahms whilst in an extremely noisy MRI machine 😵

 

[GroeneLeeuw]

It would be interesting - trying to listen to Brahms whilst in an extremely noisy MRI machine 😵

Well, some people seem to have trouble with any kind of objective measurement but don´t even consider that maybe the most important factor in play, it´s their brain playing tricks on them when listening to music.
It´s as they never heard of optical illusions and that the same exists with our hearing and our brains reacting to it.

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