Speaker cable

[Fandango Andy]

And that would be based on what? Expectation bias? Or sound, which we can measure.

The Last few responses seem to be about what can and cannot be measured. Ultimately music is about what is pleasing to the ear. This is a subjective thing. You cannot absolutely measure it scientifically. The best you can do is plot what people like, then measure a component to see if it matches those parameters.

 

[Gray]

True, subjective feelings / musical pleasure can't be measured.

But if there is a genuine , noticeable difference in actual sound between any two items then, however small, there will always be something measurable causing the difference.

 

[davidf]

True, subjective feelings / musical pleasure can't be measured.

But if there is a genuine , noticeable difference in actual sound between any two items then, however small, there will always be something measurable causing the difference.

Can you measure front to back soundstage depth? I remember playing a track where some odd sound in the track was dancing across the relatively flat soundstage (might've been a Yello track, from left to right. Played it on another system/speakers, and this sound was about 20ft back from the speakers.

 

[abacus]

Can you measure front to back soundstage depth? I remember playing a track where some odd sound in the track was dancing across the relatively flat soundstage (might've been a Yello track, from left to right. Played it on another system/speakers, and this sound was about 20ft back from the speakers.

There is no width or depth in the soundstage (Never has been and never will be with just 2 speakers) its just an illusion created by the brain/ear combination (There is only sound emanating from 2 separate boxes), and you cant measure something that doesn't exist.

Bill

 

[GSV Ethics Gradient]

The brain may create it, but it comes from the recording via the stereo. We might not be sure how to measure it, but it's in the 1s and 0s - where else does the brain get the information from? I'd put money on it being down to how well the recording is reproduced.

 

[Gray]

Can you measure front to back soundstage depth?

Interesting point.
Brains construct the imaging of course, based on minute time differences. Those genuine time / phase differences would certainly be there to be measured.
But who knows how much effect those differences have on different brains?
(Bit like how brains interpret colour as a response to different wavelengths of light...people's eyes can receive the same wavelength, but their brains don't always 'see' exactly the same colour).

 

[Gray]

(There is only sound emanating from 2 separate boxes), and you cant measure something that doesn't exist.

But, importantly, there are (albeit often very slight) differences in the actual sounds from those two separate boxes - and it's those differences that can be measured.
How different brains construct different images......that's another question.

 

[GroeneLeeuw]

Can you measure front to back soundstage depth? I remember playing a track where some odd sound in the track was dancing across the relatively flat soundstage (might've been a Yello track, from left to right. Played it on another system/speakers, and this sound was about 20ft back from the speakers.

I´d be afraid if you would sell cars instead of hi-fi
I´d walk in asking for your advice on a family car and you´d tell me you have WRC rally cars that would be a great fit 🤣

 

[Jasonovich]

I´d be afraid if you would sell cars instead of hi-fi
I´d walk in asking for your advice on a family car and you tell me you have WRC rally cars that would be a great fit 🤣

Hahaha 😂
Nah David is a HiFi man, through and through.
He'll probably say, listen to the sound of the exhaust Broom Broom, this model has more timber timbre, the sound resonates the air like sweet nectar 😂

 

[GroeneLeeuw]

Hahaha 😂
Nah David is a HiFi man, through and through.

I know, despite our differences in opinion on some subjects.
Just messing with him a bit 🙂

 

[giggsy1977]

People perceive sound differently: individual hearing and neural processing vary, so the way one person interprets audio can differ from another.

There are measurable differences between cables. The best cable for a given system is the one that minimally alters the signal, which typically means using an appropriate gauge for the cable length. Equipment can detect differences that may be imperceptible to listeners. For that reason, I consider the cable that performs best on objective measurements to be the best choice, even if those differences are not audible to every listener.

A continuing debate about cables is inevitable because listening preferences and perceptual sensitivity differ from person to person.

I know that my speakers can output frequencies I cannot hear but they can be measured.

As long as the cable connecting my amp to my speakers isn't affecting the signal significantly then I'm happy.

Speakers, the room and most importantly our individual perception of audio all contribute to altering sound.

That's my opinion anyway!

 

[Al ears]

Hahaha 😂
Nah David is a HiFi man, through and through.
He'll probably say, listen to the sound of the exhaust Broom Broom, this model has more timber, the sound resonates the air like sweet nectar 😂

No he'd say nothing like that , more timber means more wood.
Timbre on the other hand......

 

[ninanina]

No he'd say nothing like that , more timber means more wood.
Timbre on the other hand......

To me the biggest difference is matching speakers to your room!

 

[davidf]

There is no width or depth in the soundstage (Never has been and never will be with just 2 speakers) its just an illusion created by the brain/ear combination (There is only sound emanating from 2 separate boxes), and you cant measure something that doesn't exist.

Bill

Yes, but certain products produce that effect better than others with the same material, and you can hear it.

 

[davidf]

Interesting point.
Brains construct the imaging of course, based on minute time differences. Those genuine time / phase differences would certainly be there to be measured.
But who knows how much effect those differences have on different brains?
(Bit like how brains interpret colour as a response to different wavelengths of light...people's eyes can receive the same wavelength, but their brains don't always 'see' exactly the same colour).

But two different systems can put the same sound in a different point in space. Both systems will be using identical source material.

 

[davidf]

I´d be afraid if you would sell cars instead of hi-fi
I´d walk in asking for your advice on a family car and you´d tell me you have WRC rally cars that would be a great fit 🤣

Which makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Jasonovich]

No he'd say nothing like that , more timber means more wood.
Timbre on the other hand......

I have wood splinters in my brain 🙂
I meant to say timbre!

 

[GroeneLeeuw]

Which makes no sense whatsoever.

If you can talk BS, so can I.
You´re not special.

 

[Al ears]

If you can talk BS, so can I.
You´re not special.

Oooh ere. Steady on....

 

[ninanina]

Oooh ere. Steady on....

I can certainly talk BS if it’s necessary but in this case I really think you need to match speakers to your room…. no BS

It’s what I’ve done and enjoying it very much