Softdome tweeter better for rock and metal than metaldome?

[peterpan]

I have another house and looking for a fine set of speakers. Monitoren or small floorstander. Max. distance from the walls 45 cm.

A dealer told me that with current metal and rock softdome are better, because they are more forgiven. On many speakers this will sound too shrill.

What do you think of the next speakers:

Dynaudio Excite X16/X34

Q acoustics 3050i or 3020

Or with a metaldome

Monitor Audio Silver 2

Focal Aria 906

Tannoy XT6F

My amp is a Exposure 3010S2. Interconnect Van den Hul D102 3T.

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_100004211376004]

I think you'll find that metal dome tweeters aren't such an issue these days..technology has moved on and I believe most manufacturers have tackled the apparent brightness/edgeness aspect.But the best thing to do is let your ears decide and go demo some.

 

[CnoEvil]

IMO. This is a hifi myth.

There are silk dome tweeters that sound harsh and metal dome tweeters that sound smooth. I have some Celestion SL6s from the early 80s, with some of the first metal tweeters designed in the UK...and they are too soporific and smooth for some.

Kef R Series have a treble that is not bright or harsh; Harbeth also do a model with metal dome tweeters.

My advice is not to rule anything out based on someone else's opinion and try both designs for yourself.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I would just go to a different Hifi store and try out as meany speakers as you can until you find what your looking for and take some heavy metal CDs with you that you know well just because it's heavy metal doesn't mean you do not like a quality sound . I have some Dali opticon 8s the have a hybrid tweeters ones a ribbon tweeter and the other is a normal soft tweeter and I have a wide range in taste in music but mainly like classic rock to heavy metal and my Dalis play over kill lovely .

 

[BigH]

I would just go to a different Hifi store and try out as meany speakers as you can until you find what your looking for and take some heavy metal CDs with you that you know well just because it's heavy metal doesn't mean you do not like a quality sound . I have some Dali opticon 8s the have a hybrid tweeters ones a ribbon tweeter and the other is a normal soft tweeter and I have a wide range in taste in music but mainly like classic rock to heavy metal and my Dalis play over kill lovely .

He has been trying for years.

I suggest he buy a decent turntable, something like a Croft amp and some Kef speakers, that should give him the sort od sound hes after. however will cost about £3k + vinyl. i think the main problem is the overly compressed music.

 

[rainsoothe]

+1 to the metal dome being a myth. B&W CM5 (s1) were very, VERY forgiving and smooth speakers. Focal Aria 906 fall in the same category, but are way more open then the B&W (they throw a bigger soundstge, and sound huge) - these should fit nicely with the Exposure. Either that, or replace Exposure with Croft Phono Integrated.

As for tt, VPI Traveler and Clearaudio Concept sound warm and nice. Very good TTs indeed.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I would just go to a different Hifi store and try out as meany speakers as you can until you find what your looking for and take some heavy metal CDs with you that you know well just because it's heavy metal doesn't mean you do not like a quality sound . I have some Dali opticon 8s the have a hybrid tweeters ones a ribbon tweeter and the other is a normal soft tweeter and I have a wide range in taste in music but mainly like classic rock to heavy metal and my Dalis play over kill lovely .

He has been trying for years.

I suggest he buy a decent turntable, something like a Croft amp and some Kef speakers, that should give him the sort od sound hes after. however will cost about £3k + vinyl. i think the main problem is the overly compressed music.

I tell you what heavy metal , thrash music and so on needs serious amp and speakers that can go down low on the bass so you can hear that kick drum on a drum kit probably as some thrash bands mic up there drum kits in the studio so the kick drum kind of thunders I've just about got my sound were I want it but I I've had to spend lots of money to get there . I tried nothing but book shelf speakers for a start in shop demos but none of them would give me what I was after I really do think to hear metal right you need a good set of floor standing speakers that are capable of reaching down low on the bass . This works for me and my ears but maybe different to someone else's taste but I can go and listen to pink floyd and the sound is smooth and detailed and then go and listen to manowar and I get the power of the guitars and drums .

 

[BigH]

I would just go to a different Hifi store and try out as meany speakers as you can until you find what your looking for and take some heavy metal CDs with you that you know well just because it's heavy metal doesn't mean you do not like a quality sound . I have some Dali opticon 8s the have a hybrid tweeters ones a ribbon tweeter and the other is a normal soft tweeter and I have a wide range in taste in music but mainly like classic rock to heavy metal and my Dalis play over kill lovely .

He has been trying for years.

I suggest he buy a decent turntable, something like a Croft amp and some Kef speakers, that should give him the sort od sound hes after. however will cost about £3k + vinyl. i think the main problem is the overly compressed music.

I tell you what heavy metal , thrash music and so on needs serious amp and speakers that can go down low on the bass so you can hear that kick drum on a drum kit probably as some thrash bands mic up there drum kits in the studio so the kick drum kind of thunders I've just about got my sound were I want it but I I've had to spend lots of money to get there . I tried nothing but book shelf speakers for a start in shop demos but none of them would give me what I was after I really do think to hear metal right you need a good set of floor standing speakers that are capable of reaching down low on the bass . This works for me and my ears but maybe different to someone else's taste but I can go and listen to pink floyd and the sound is smooth and detailed and then go and listen to manowar and I get the power of the guitars and drums .

I don't think the lows are his problem, its the high notes, drum cymbals I suspect that are his problem, I agree more bass may help. To be honest if I was into heavy/thrash metal I would be looking at a vinyl set up. Pink Floyd is not heavy metal, its well recorded rock, should not be a problem.

 

[MrReaper182]

I would just go to a different Hifi store and try out as meany speakers as you can until you find what your looking for and take some heavy metal CDs with you that you know well just because it's heavy metal doesn't mean you do not like a quality sound . I have some Dali opticon 8s the have a hybrid tweeters ones a ribbon tweeter and the other is a normal soft tweeter and I have a wide range in taste in music but mainly like classic rock to heavy metal and my Dalis play over kill lovely .

He has been trying for years.

I suggest he buy a decent turntable, something like a Croft amp and some Kef speakers, that should give him the sort od sound hes after. however will cost about £3k + vinyl. i think the main problem is the overly compressed music.

I tell you what heavy metal , thrash music and so on needs serious amp and speakers that can go down low on the bass so you can hear that kick drum on a drum kit probably as some thrash bands mic up there drum kits in the studio so the kick drum kind of thunders I've just about got my sound were I want it but I I've had to spend lots of money to get there . I tried nothing but book shelf speakers for a start in shop demos but none of them would give me what I was after I really do think to hear metal right you need a good set of floor standing speakers that are capable of reaching down low on the bass . This works for me and my ears but maybe different to someone else's taste but I can go and listen to pink floyd and the sound is smooth and detailed and then go and listen to manowar and I get the power of the guitars and drums .

Spot on. bass refelex speakers are also great for metal music listening.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I would just go to a different Hifi store and try out as meany speakers as you can until you find what your looking for and take some heavy metal CDs with you that you know well just because it's heavy metal doesn't mean you do not like a quality sound . I have some Dali opticon 8s the have a hybrid tweeters ones a ribbon tweeter and the other is a normal soft tweeter and I have a wide range in taste in music but mainly like classic rock to heavy metal and my Dalis play over kill lovely .

He has been trying for years.

I suggest he buy a decent turntable, something like a Croft amp and some Kef speakers, that should give him the sort od sound hes after. however will cost about £3k + vinyl. i think the main problem is the overly compressed music.

I tell you what heavy metal , thrash music and so on needs serious amp and speakers that can go down low on the bass so you can hear that kick drum on a drum kit probably as some thrash bands mic up there drum kits in the studio so the kick drum kind of thunders I've just about got my sound were I want it but I I've had to spend lots of money to get there . I tried nothing but book shelf speakers for a start in shop demos but none of them would give me what I was after I really do think to hear metal right you need a good set of floor standing speakers that are capable of reaching down low on the bass . This works for me and my ears but maybe different to someone else's taste but I can go and listen to pink floyd and the sound is smooth and detailed and then go and listen to manowar and I get the power of the guitars and drums .

Spot on. bass refelex speakers are also great for metal music listening.

I just forgot to add about the tweeter side of things in that last post I was meant to but got carried away taking about the bass part of the speaker *wacko**smile*

 

[BigH]

I got it wrong its not 3 years this has been going on since 2009, 7 years to find the right speakers.

 

[plastic penguin]

IMO. This is a hifi myth.

There are silk dome tweeters that sound harsh and metal dome tweeters that sound smooth. I have some Celestion SL6s from the early 80s, with some of the first metal tweeters designed in the UK...and they are too soporific and smooth for some.

Kef R Series have a treble that is not bright or harsh; Harbeth also do a model with metal dome tweeters.

My advice is not to rule anything out based on someone else's opinion and try both designs for yourself.

Agreed: Totem, Neat also employ hard domed tweeters.

The OP really needs to just dem different speakers and decide which ones tug his rug.

 

[manicm]

I would just go to a different Hifi store and try out as meany speakers as you can until you find what your looking for and take some heavy metal CDs with you that you know well just because it's heavy metal doesn't mean you do not like a quality sound . I have some Dali opticon 8s the have a hybrid tweeters ones a ribbon tweeter and the other is a normal soft tweeter and I have a wide range in taste in music but mainly like classic rock to heavy metal and my Dalis play over kill lovely .

He has been trying for years.

I suggest he buy a decent turntable, something like a Croft amp and some Kef speakers, that should give him the sort od sound hes after. however will cost about £3k + vinyl. i think the main problem is the overly compressed music.

I tell you what heavy metal , thrash music and so on needs serious amp and speakers that can go down low on the bass so you can hear that kick drum on a drum kit probably as some thrash bands mic up there drum kits in the studio so the kick drum kind of thunders I've just about got my sound were I want it but I I've had to spend lots of money to get there . I tried nothing but book shelf speakers for a start in shop demos but none of them would give me what I was after I really do think to hear metal right you need a good set of floor standing speakers that are capable of reaching down low on the bass . This works for me and my ears but maybe different to someone else's taste but I can go and listen to pink floyd and the sound is smooth and detailed and then go and listen to manowar and I get the power of the guitars and drums .

I don't think the lows are his problem, its the high notes, drum cymbals I suspect that are his problem, I agree more bass may help. To be honest if I was into heavy/thrash metal I would be looking at a vinyl set up. Pink Floyd is not heavy metal, its well recorded rock, should not be a problem.

You could go the vinyl route, my guess is you'd spend at least 600 quid to do the job properly, on the other hand, all things being not equal, a good CD player/transport would also do the job at the same price, perhaps doing dac duty as well. It's not the medium but implementation ,implementation ,implementation.

 

[Al ears]

Personally I'd be a bit more concerned about his dealer. S+d the speakers, find a new dealer.

Oh, and by the way, speakers are designed to handle music and most of them do it very well be they metal tweeters, fabric, or even ribbon. I don't know any that are built with a specific genre in mind. You need just as good a bass set-up for orchestral as you do heavy metal.

 

[BigH]

I would just go to a different Hifi store and try out as meany speakers as you can until you find what your looking for and take some heavy metal CDs with you that you know well just because it's heavy metal doesn't mean you do not like a quality sound . I have some Dali opticon 8s the have a hybrid tweeters ones a ribbon tweeter and the other is a normal soft tweeter and I have a wide range in taste in music but mainly like classic rock to heavy metal and my Dalis play over kill lovely .

He has been trying for years.

I suggest he buy a decent turntable, something like a Croft amp and some Kef speakers, that should give him the sort od sound hes after. however will cost about £3k + vinyl. i think the main problem is the overly compressed music.

I tell you what heavy metal , thrash music and so on needs serious amp and speakers that can go down low on the bass so you can hear that kick drum on a drum kit probably as some thrash bands mic up there drum kits in the studio so the kick drum kind of thunders I've just about got my sound were I want it but I I've had to spend lots of money to get there . I tried nothing but book shelf speakers for a start in shop demos but none of them would give me what I was after I really do think to hear metal right you need a good set of floor standing speakers that are capable of reaching down low on the bass . This works for me and my ears but maybe different to someone else's taste but I can go and listen to pink floyd and the sound is smooth and detailed and then go and listen to manowar and I get the power of the guitars and drums .

I don't think the lows are his problem, its the high notes, drum cymbals I suspect that are his problem, I agree more bass may help. To be honest if I was into heavy/thrash metal I would be looking at a vinyl set up. Pink Floyd is not heavy metal, its well recorded rock, should not be a problem.

You could go the vinyl route, my guess is you'd spend at least 600 quid to do the job properly, on the other hand, all things being not equal, a good CD player/transport would also do the job at the same price, perhaps doing dac duty as well. It's not the medium but implementation ,implementation ,implementation.

I don't agree, its the mastering thats the problem. Ive played poor cds on decent hifi and they still sound bad. A £600 cd player I doubt will solve it. The mastering on recent vinyl albums is generally better than cds, vinyl is quite popular with that genre. A well recorded/mastered cd I agree is as good as vinyl, in sometimes its better.

Anyway he has been trying different amps/speakers for the last 7 years without luck, just look at his numerous different posts on here about the same thing. I think he should at least try something different. Maybe tube amps?

 

[manicm]

I would just go to a different Hifi store and try out as meany speakers as you can until you find what your looking for and take some heavy metal CDs with you that you know well just because it's heavy metal doesn't mean you do not like a quality sound  . I have some Dali opticon 8s the have a hybrid tweeters ones a ribbon tweeter and the other is a normal soft tweeter and I have a wide range in taste in music but mainly like classic rock to heavy metal and my Dalis play over kill lovely .

He has been trying for years.

I suggest he buy a decent turntable, something like a Croft amp and some Kef speakers, that should give him the sort od sound hes after. however will cost about £3k + vinyl. i think the main problem is the overly compressed music.

I tell you what heavy metal , thrash music and so on needs serious amp and speakers that can go down low on the bass so you can hear that kick drum on a drum kit probably as some thrash bands mic up there drum kits in the studio so the kick drum kind of thunders I've just about got my sound were I want it but I I've had to spend lots of money to get there . I tried nothing but book shelf speakers for a start in shop demos but none of them would give me what I was after I really do think to hear metal right you need a good set of floor standing speakers that are capable of reaching down low on the bass . This works for me and my ears but maybe different to someone else's taste but I can go and listen to pink floyd and the sound is smooth and detailed and then go and listen to manowar and I get the power of the guitars and drums .

I don't think the lows are his problem, its the high notes, drum cymbals I suspect that are his problem, I agree more bass may help. To be honest if I was into heavy/thrash metal I would be looking at a vinyl set up. Pink Floyd  is not heavy metal, its well recorded rock, should not be a problem. 

You could go the vinyl route, my guess is you'd spend at least 600 quid to do the job properly, on the other hand, all things being not equal, a good CD player/transport would also do the job at the same price, perhaps doing dac duty as well. It's not the medium but implementation ,implementation ,implementation.

I don't agree, its the mastering thats the problem. Ive played poor cds on decent hifi and they still sound bad. A £600 cd player I doubt will solve it. The mastering on recent vinyl albums is generally better than cds, vinyl is quite popular with that genre. A well recorded/mastered cd I agree is as good as vinyl, in sometimes its better. 

Anyway he has been trying different amps/speakers for the last 7 years without luck, just look at his numerous different posts on here about the same thing. I think he should at least try something different. Maybe tube amps?

Tube amps, seriously? That will make metal sound like Sinatra, which is not what he'd want. You want the edge and punch, minus harshness, and there are systems that can achieve this. I would put turntables and valves last on the list though.

 

[manicm]

I think a good cd based Cyrus system with Dynaudio speakers would do the trick.

 

[keeper of the quays]

I think a good cd based Cyrus system with Dynaudio speakers would do the trick.

+1

 

[matthewpiano]

This is less about what material the speakers use for their drive unit, and more about the overall drive unit design/build and the implementation within the speaker.

I've enjoyed speakers with several different types of drive unit, but no matter what you use, you have to accept that some recordings/productions (regardless of musical style) are never going to sound as good as you'd like them too. There are lots of superb recordings out there, but also plenty of bad ones, and no hi-fi can miraculously turn a bad recording into a good one. If it isn't there in the recording, it isn't ever going to be. That doesn't mean you should avoid those recordings though. The music is more important than the sound, and if it is an album you love that is badly recorded, you just have to learn to put up with it so that you can still enjoy the music.

Overall, the most satisfying sound I've had from speakers has been with my Dynaudios. Why? They are very well integrated across the frequency range, and they have an open and detailed treble that never veers into harshness. My belief is that this is down to the quality of Dynaudio's drive units, and their crossover design, but I've also found them at their best by kicking out fancy speaker cables and using a good, basic multi-strand copper cable instead (in my case QED 79-strand).

You have an oustanding amplifier, so take it to a good dealer (perhaps one that demonstrates properly rather than feeding you old hi-fi assumptions) and listen to 2 or 3 different models of speaker. Then, when you think you have made a choice, request a home demo so that you can make sure they work well in your listening space.

 

[NSA_watch_my_toilet]

I have another house and looking for a fine set of speakers. Monitoren or small floorstander. Max. distance from the walls 45 cm.

A dealer told me that with current metal and rock softdome are better, because they are more forgiven. On many speakers this will sound too shrill.

What do you think of the next speakers:

Dynaudio Excite X16/X34

Q acoustics 3050i or 3020

Or with a metaldome

Monitor Audio Silver 2

Focal Aria 906

Tannoy XT6F

My amp is a Exposure 3010S2. Interconnect Van den Hul D102 3T.

Hello my friend. I really, from experience, believe that there is no better material than the other. Some exceptionnal tweeters are made of diamond, some other exceptionnal tweeters are made with ferrufloid, other are made of titan and, other of whatever material.

Generally, quality of a tweeter don't depend of it's material alone, it's the combination of material, quality and craftmanship.

 

[Infiniteloop]

I would just go to a different Hifi store and try out as meany speakers as you can until you find what your looking for and take some heavy metal CDs with you that you know well just because it's heavy metal doesn't mean you do not like a quality sound . I have some Dali opticon 8s the have a hybrid tweeters ones a ribbon tweeter and the other is a normal soft tweeter and I have a wide range in taste in music but mainly like classic rock to heavy metal and my Dalis play over kill lovely .

He has been trying for years.

I suggest he buy a decent turntable, something like a Croft amp and some Kef speakers, that should give him the sort od sound hes after. however will cost about £3k + vinyl. i think the main problem is the overly compressed music.

I tell you what heavy metal , thrash music and so on needs serious amp and speakers that can go down low on the bass so you can hear that kick drum on a drum kit probably as some thrash bands mic up there drum kits in the studio so the kick drum kind of thunders I've just about got my sound were I want it but I I've had to spend lots of money to get there . I tried nothing but book shelf speakers for a start in shop demos but none of them would give me what I was after I really do think to hear metal right you need a good set of floor standing speakers that are capable of reaching down low on the bass . This works for me and my ears but maybe different to someone else's taste but I can go and listen to pink floyd and the sound is smooth and detailed and then go and listen to manowar and I get the power of the guitars and drums .

I don't think the lows are his problem, its the high notes, drum cymbals I suspect that are his problem, I agree more bass may help. To be honest if I was into heavy/thrash metal I would be looking at a vinyl set up. Pink Floyd is not heavy metal, its well recorded rock, should not be a problem.

You could go the vinyl route, my guess is you'd spend at least 600 quid to do the job properly, on the other hand, all things being not equal, a good CD player/transport would also do the job at the same price, perhaps doing dac duty as well. It's not the medium but implementation ,implementation ,implementation.

I don't agree, its the mastering thats the problem. Ive played poor cds on decent hifi and they still sound bad. A £600 cd player I doubt will solve it. The mastering on recent vinyl albums is generally better than cds, vinyl is quite popular with that genre. A well recorded/mastered cd I agree is as good as vinyl, in sometimes its better.

Anyway he has been trying different amps/speakers for the last 7 years without luck, just look at his numerous different posts on here about the same thing. I think he should at least try something different. Maybe tube amps?

Tube amps, seriously? That will make metal sound like Sinatra, which is not what he'd want. You want the edge and punch, minus harshness, and there are systems that can achieve this. I would put turntables and valves last on the list though.

Re Tube Amps: I beg to differ. My S8 can seriously rock with the best of them, including my Devialet. What a Tube Amp could offer is a way to tame that treble.

 

[Al ears]

I would just go to a different Hifi store and try out as meany speakers as you can until you find what your looking for and take some heavy metal CDs with you that you know well just because it's heavy metal doesn't mean you do not like a quality sound . I have some Dali opticon 8s the have a hybrid tweeters ones a ribbon tweeter and the other is a normal soft tweeter and I have a wide range in taste in music but mainly like classic rock to heavy metal and my Dalis play over kill lovely .

He has been trying for years.

I suggest he buy a decent turntable, something like a Croft amp and some Kef speakers, that should give him the sort od sound hes after. however will cost about £3k + vinyl. i think the main problem is the overly compressed music.

I tell you what heavy metal , thrash music and so on needs serious amp and speakers that can go down low on the bass so you can hear that kick drum on a drum kit probably as some thrash bands mic up there drum kits in the studio so the kick drum kind of thunders I've just about got my sound were I want it but I I've had to spend lots of money to get there . I tried nothing but book shelf speakers for a start in shop demos but none of them would give me what I was after I really do think to hear metal right you need a good set of floor standing speakers that are capable of reaching down low on the bass . This works for me and my ears but maybe different to someone else's taste but I can go and listen to pink floyd and the sound is smooth and detailed and then go and listen to manowar and I get the power of the guitars and drums .

I don't think the lows are his problem, its the high notes, drum cymbals I suspect that are his problem, I agree more bass may help. To be honest if I was into heavy/thrash metal I would be looking at a vinyl set up. Pink Floyd is not heavy metal, its well recorded rock, should not be a problem.

You could go the vinyl route, my guess is you'd spend at least 600 quid to do the job properly, on the other hand, all things being not equal, a good CD player/transport would also do the job at the same price, perhaps doing dac duty as well. It's not the medium but implementation ,implementation ,implementation.

I don't agree, its the mastering thats the problem. Ive played poor cds on decent hifi and they still sound bad. A £600 cd player I doubt will solve it. The mastering on recent vinyl albums is generally better than cds, vinyl is quite popular with that genre. A well recorded/mastered cd I agree is as good as vinyl, in sometimes its better.

Anyway he has been trying different amps/speakers for the last 7 years without luck, just look at his numerous different posts on here about the same thing. I think he should at least try something different. Maybe tube amps?

Tube amps, seriously? That will make metal sound like Sinatra, which is not what he'd want. You want the edge and punch, minus harshness, and there are systems that can achieve this. I would put turntables and valves last on the list though.

Re Tube Amps: I beg to differ. My S8 can seriously rock with the best of them, including my Devialet. What a Tube Amp could offer is a way to tame that treble.

Agree, he's obviously listened to the wrong valve amps. ;-)

 

[manicm]

I would just go to a different Hifi store and try out as meany speakers as you can until you find what your looking for and take some heavy metal CDs with you that you know well just because it's heavy metal doesn't mean you do not like a quality sound  . I have some Dali opticon 8s the have a hybrid tweeters ones a ribbon tweeter and the other is a normal soft tweeter and I have a wide range in taste in music but mainly like classic rock to heavy metal and my Dalis play over kill lovely .

He has been trying for years.

I suggest he buy a decent turntable, something like a Croft amp and some Kef speakers, that should give him the sort od sound hes after. however will cost about £3k + vinyl. i think the main problem is the overly compressed music.

I tell you what heavy metal , thrash music and so on needs serious amp and speakers that can go down low on the bass so you can hear that kick drum on a drum kit probably as some thrash bands mic up there drum kits in the studio so the kick drum kind of thunders I've just about got my sound were I want it but I I've had to spend lots of money to get there . I tried nothing but book shelf speakers for a start in shop demos but none of them would give me what I was after I really do think to hear metal right you need a good set of floor standing speakers that are capable of reaching down low on the bass . This works for me and my ears but maybe different to someone else's taste but I can go and listen to pink floyd and the sound is smooth and detailed and then go and listen to manowar and I get the power of the guitars and drums .

I don't think the lows are his problem, its the high notes, drum cymbals I suspect that are his problem, I agree more bass may help. To be honest if I was into heavy/thrash metal I would be looking at a vinyl set up. Pink Floyd  is not heavy metal, its well recorded rock, should not be a problem. 

You could go the vinyl route, my guess is you'd spend at least 600 quid to do the job properly, on the other hand, all things being not equal, a good CD player/transport would also do the job at the same price, perhaps doing dac duty as well. It's not the medium but implementation ,implementation ,implementation.

I don't agree, its the mastering thats the problem. Ive played poor cds on decent hifi and they still sound bad. A £600 cd player I doubt will solve it. The mastering on recent vinyl albums is generally better than cds, vinyl is quite popular with that genre. A well recorded/mastered cd I agree is as good as vinyl, in sometimes its better. 

Anyway he has been trying different amps/speakers for the last 7 years without luck, just look at his numerous different posts on here about the same thing. I think he should at least try something different. Maybe tube amps?

Tube amps, seriously? That will make metal sound like Sinatra, which is not what he'd want. You want the edge and punch, minus harshness, and there are systems that can achieve this. I would put turntables and valves last on the list though.

 

Re Tube Amps: I beg to differ. My S8 can seriously rock with the best of them, including my Devialet. What a Tube Amp could offer is a way to tame that treble.

Still beg to differ. Metal is full of aggressive guitars and crashing cymbals. You do NOT want to tame the treble, you just want to avoid harshness and undue sibilance.

 

[BigH]

I would just go to a different Hifi store and try out as meany speakers as you can until you find what your looking for and take some heavy metal CDs with you that you know well just because it's heavy metal doesn't mean you do not like a quality sound . I have some Dali opticon 8s the have a hybrid tweeters ones a ribbon tweeter and the other is a normal soft tweeter and I have a wide range in taste in music but mainly like classic rock to heavy metal and my Dalis play over kill lovely .

He has been trying for years.

I suggest he buy a decent turntable, something like a Croft amp and some Kef speakers, that should give him the sort od sound hes after. however will cost about £3k + vinyl. i think the main problem is the overly compressed music.

I tell you what heavy metal , thrash music and so on needs serious amp and speakers that can go down low on the bass so you can hear that kick drum on a drum kit probably as some thrash bands mic up there drum kits in the studio so the kick drum kind of thunders I've just about got my sound were I want it but I I've had to spend lots of money to get there . I tried nothing but book shelf speakers for a start in shop demos but none of them would give me what I was after I really do think to hear metal right you need a good set of floor standing speakers that are capable of reaching down low on the bass . This works for me and my ears but maybe different to someone else's taste but I can go and listen to pink floyd and the sound is smooth and detailed and then go and listen to manowar and I get the power of the guitars and drums .

I don't think the lows are his problem, its the high notes, drum cymbals I suspect that are his problem, I agree more bass may help. To be honest if I was into heavy/thrash metal I would be looking at a vinyl set up. Pink Floyd is not heavy metal, its well recorded rock, should not be a problem.

You could go the vinyl route, my guess is you'd spend at least 600 quid to do the job properly, on the other hand, all things being not equal, a good CD player/transport would also do the job at the same price, perhaps doing dac duty as well. It's not the medium but implementation ,implementation ,implementation.

I don't agree, its the mastering thats the problem. Ive played poor cds on decent hifi and they still sound bad. A £600 cd player I doubt will solve it. The mastering on recent vinyl albums is generally better than cds, vinyl is quite popular with that genre. A well recorded/mastered cd I agree is as good as vinyl, in sometimes its better.

Anyway he has been trying different amps/speakers for the last 7 years without luck, just look at his numerous different posts on here about the same thing. I think he should at least try something different. Maybe tube amps?

Tube amps, seriously? That will make metal sound like Sinatra, which is not what he'd want. You want the edge and punch, minus harshness, and there are systems that can achieve this. I would put turntables and valves last on the list though.

Re Tube Amps: I beg to differ. My S8 can seriously rock with the best of them, including my Devialet. What a Tube Amp could offer is a way to tame that treble.

Still beg to differ. Metal is full of aggressive guitars and crashing cymbals. You do NOT want to tame the treble, you just want to avoid harshness and undue sibilance.

I think he does want to tame it, he says "I like a warmer sound without bright highes." As said this saga is the probably the longest ever on this forum. Not sure what is available in his country.

 

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I would just go to a different Hifi store and try out as meany speakers as you can until you find what your looking for and take some heavy metal CDs with you that you know well just because it's heavy metal doesn't mean you do not like a quality sound . I have some Dali opticon 8s the have a hybrid tweeters ones a ribbon tweeter and the other is a normal soft tweeter and I have a wide range in taste in music but mainly like classic rock to heavy metal and my Dalis play over kill lovely .

He has been trying for years.

I suggest he buy a decent turntable, something like a Croft amp and some Kef speakers, that should give him the sort od sound hes after. however will cost about £3k + vinyl. i think the main problem is the overly compressed music.

I tell you what heavy metal , thrash music and so on needs serious amp and speakers that can go down low on the bass so you can hear that kick drum on a drum kit probably as some thrash bands mic up there drum kits in the studio so the kick drum kind of thunders I've just about got my sound were I want it but I I've had to spend lots of money to get there . I tried nothing but book shelf speakers for a start in shop demos but none of them would give me what I was after I really do think to hear metal right you need a good set of floor standing speakers that are capable of reaching down low on the bass . This works for me and my ears but maybe different to someone else's taste but I can go and listen to pink floyd and the sound is smooth and detailed and then go and listen to manowar and I get the power of the guitars and drums .

I don't think the lows are his problem, its the high notes, drum cymbals I suspect that are his problem, I agree more bass may help. To be honest if I was into heavy/thrash metal I would be looking at a vinyl set up. Pink Floyd is not heavy metal, its well recorded rock, should not be a problem.

You could go the vinyl route, my guess is you'd spend at least 600 quid to do the job properly, on the other hand, all things being not equal, a good CD player/transport would also do the job at the same price, perhaps doing dac duty as well. It's not the medium but implementation ,implementation ,implementation.

I don't agree, its the mastering thats the problem. Ive played poor cds on decent hifi and they still sound bad. A £600 cd player I doubt will solve it. The mastering on recent vinyl albums is generally better than cds, vinyl is quite popular with that genre. A well recorded/mastered cd I agree is as good as vinyl, in sometimes its better.

Anyway he has been trying different amps/speakers for the last 7 years without luck, just look at his numerous different posts on here about the same thing. I think he should at least try something different. Maybe tube amps?

Tube amps, seriously? That will make metal sound like Sinatra, which is not what he'd want. You want the edge and punch, minus harshness, and there are systems that can achieve this. I would put turntables and valves last on the list though.

Re Tube Amps: I beg to differ. My S8 can seriously rock with the best of them, including my Devialet. What a Tube Amp could offer is a way to tame that treble.

Still beg to differ. Metal is full of aggressive guitars and crashing cymbals. You do NOT want to tame the treble, you just want to avoid harshness and undue sibilance.

I think he does want to tame it, he says "I like a warmer sound without bright highes." As said this saga is the probably the longest ever on this forum. Not sure what is available in his country.

i would not use any of the speakers in his list as they will end up sounding like a box i would go floor standing speaker route if it was me but understand that some people do not have the room to put them in but dali do sound good with heavy metal music but what county is the op from ?