6th.replicant
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Something very odd with site's formatting.
Might be useful if we still had the option to delete posts?
Might be useful if we still had the option to delete posts?
Alantiggger
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I have no idea as to why folk want to keep 'quoting' others then take a swipe ?
The movies are like most other things in life...... you DO get to have an opinion and whatever that opinion is it should stay just that .... too many all wanting to argue .... to press home THEIR point of view :?
Give it a wee rest I say and try to understand that others may have a differing point of view :type: it's also pretty pointless pointing towards other forums for back-up like the Rotten Tomatoes given that there are many movies that are complete pants that have been given good/decent write ups and vice/versa.
Believe in what you watch for yourself and form your own opinion then if so inclined .... give an opinion.
The movies are like most other things in life...... you DO get to have an opinion and whatever that opinion is it should stay just that .... too many all wanting to argue .... to press home THEIR point of view :?
Give it a wee rest I say and try to understand that others may have a differing point of view :type: it's also pretty pointless pointing towards other forums for back-up like the Rotten Tomatoes given that there are many movies that are complete pants that have been given good/decent write ups and vice/versa.
Believe in what you watch for yourself and form your own opinion then if so inclined .... give an opinion.
6th.replicant
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6th.replicant
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Alantiggger
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6th.replicant said::roll:
Indeed ... but it seems so volotile (written) at times and I'm a pacifist.... surely ALL are entitled to their own view without argument as such ?
Opinions are what set us apart (at times) , give an individual his place to say what he/she thinks I say.
RickyDeg said:
Everytime I watch The Terminator , I see more and more flaws. I still love the film more and more with every watch though.
Still havnt managed to see Prometheus. I have literally been working my socks off. Very excited to see it, as Alien is in my top 5 all time favourites.
I love science fiction, even some of the bad films make you think. For instance, Contact, had so much potential to be one of the greatest movies ever made....( just check out the opening scene, travelling through space with the radio playing, great cinematography) unfortunately it was the best and worst movie of all time, at the same time! I still watch it regularly, even with the massive amount of flappy acting.
Moon
So, they're all on the ship and merrily heading towards a Planet that they're pretty sure is inhabited by some kind of lifeforms. They reach the Planet (at this point we know a little about the two loved up doctors and the robot, the rest of the motley crew are just "there"), what do they do? Survey it? Go through what may or may not be there? What possible dangers they may face? Well, no not really, they're made aware that the CO2 levels are too high and 2 minutes breathing the air and you're history, then they just land at the first sight of "straight lines that God didn't make", put on their space suits, safe in the knowledge that some Scottish chap has a flame thrower to protect them, pile into an ATV and a couple of buggies and head on over to a giant mole hill that's hollow.
They go inside and start walking around aimlessly, relaying everything back to "the captain" who seems like he'd rather be watching a ball game somewhere, then they realise that the air inside is safe to breathe (at least in that one spot on the Planet that they now know is inhabited by "something"), so they all take off their helmets, leave them on the ground, and wander further into the Martian wonderland without a care in the world, sure there's aircon, they'll be grand (maybe there's a Mcdonalds in there too). They trot around for a while, oblivious to any airbourn viruses that may be deadly, until they stumble across all sorts of weird and wonderful things, at which point the Geoloagist throws a tantrum, shouting that he only went along to the Martian Planet to "study rocks".
They bail out but the Geoloagist and some other chap get left behind, the Captain just tells them to chill with a little wry smile as he heads to crash out for the night. But the boys are curious and instead of doing what mummy would have told them, and staying nice and quiet by the exit, ready for a morning pick up, they go wandering around, talking loudly while stumbling over lot's of things, waking up all the inhabitants of the mole hill, until of course they get killed by a cross between a king cobra and an Eel, oh well.
Lot's of other weird things then transpire on the ship, one of the doctors starts getting very old looking and when he gets naughty the ships owner burns him to a crisp with her state of the art modern weaponary, a flamethrower. The other doctor gets a take away abortion and starts running out of "theatre" the minute she's stitched back up. We still know nothing of the motley crew that's left.
Ah I give up, but I'll try to carry on, a load of other mindless stuff happens and basically, the care free Captain is told by the doctor that's had a monster plucked from her half an hour before yet runs like Usain Bolt, that the big ship that's taken off has bad things on it, so the Captain suddenly gets all noble and decides to become a Kamikaze pilot, (no more ball games for him) and two other chaps that had no emotional connection to him or anybody else, agree to help him kill them all by ramming the Alien craft at great speed, so they eject a little pod for the doc and put their feet down and blast after it as it's trying to get away, they must have covered a good 50 mles at warp speed yet once the two ships collide, they land back where they both took off from, squashing Charlize Theron (who cared? The robot had more character) whilst nearly squashing the doc.
She jogs over to the pod, probably a little tired after the express monster abortion and all the running, and is saved from certain death at the hands of a big angry chap that's a few thousand years old, by a huge air breathing octopus that looks like something from a 50s B movie, then she goes to rescue the robot and they just go and get another ship and fly off into space together.
A prequel to Alien??? Huh??
They go inside and start walking around aimlessly, relaying everything back to "the captain" who seems like he'd rather be watching a ball game somewhere, then they realise that the air inside is safe to breathe (at least in that one spot on the Planet that they now know is inhabited by "something"), so they all take off their helmets, leave them on the ground, and wander further into the Martian wonderland without a care in the world, sure there's aircon, they'll be grand (maybe there's a Mcdonalds in there too). They trot around for a while, oblivious to any airbourn viruses that may be deadly, until they stumble across all sorts of weird and wonderful things, at which point the Geoloagist throws a tantrum, shouting that he only went along to the Martian Planet to "study rocks".
They bail out but the Geoloagist and some other chap get left behind, the Captain just tells them to chill with a little wry smile as he heads to crash out for the night. But the boys are curious and instead of doing what mummy would have told them, and staying nice and quiet by the exit, ready for a morning pick up, they go wandering around, talking loudly while stumbling over lot's of things, waking up all the inhabitants of the mole hill, until of course they get killed by a cross between a king cobra and an Eel, oh well.
Lot's of other weird things then transpire on the ship, one of the doctors starts getting very old looking and when he gets naughty the ships owner burns him to a crisp with her state of the art modern weaponary, a flamethrower. The other doctor gets a take away abortion and starts running out of "theatre" the minute she's stitched back up. We still know nothing of the motley crew that's left.
Ah I give up, but I'll try to carry on, a load of other mindless stuff happens and basically, the care free Captain is told by the doctor that's had a monster plucked from her half an hour before yet runs like Usain Bolt, that the big ship that's taken off has bad things on it, so the Captain suddenly gets all noble and decides to become a Kamikaze pilot, (no more ball games for him) and two other chaps that had no emotional connection to him or anybody else, agree to help him kill them all by ramming the Alien craft at great speed, so they eject a little pod for the doc and put their feet down and blast after it as it's trying to get away, they must have covered a good 50 mles at warp speed yet once the two ships collide, they land back where they both took off from, squashing Charlize Theron (who cared? The robot had more character) whilst nearly squashing the doc.
She jogs over to the pod, probably a little tired after the express monster abortion and all the running, and is saved from certain death at the hands of a big angry chap that's a few thousand years old, by a huge air breathing octopus that looks like something from a 50s B movie, then she goes to rescue the robot and they just go and get another ship and fly off into space together.
A prequel to Alien??? Huh??
Alantiggger
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Alantiggger
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Perfectly summed up... Just how easy was it to get the 2nd ship BTW, was there no baddies in the second dome and if not how
Unlucky where they to pick the inhabited dome first time round!
Unlucky where they to pick the inhabited dome first time round!
Perfectly summed up... Just how easy was it to get the 2nd ship BTW, was there no baddies in the second dome and if not how Unlucky where they to pick the inhabited dome first time round!
Frank Harvey
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Its sooooo easy to write simplistic summaries like Max's, and they can be written about absolutely ANY movie, including the best movies of all time. Doing so doesn't make a film seem stupid or pointless.
Well just got home from seeing the movie and you know what, I really enjoyed it. It's a space movie so none of it is believable regardless of anything. Most movies have their flaws/mistakes etc but as a movie if you don't take it too seriously it was great entertainment.
Fantastic sound and great picture quality for a change.
Fantastic sound and great picture quality for a change.
@6th replicant
Yes actually that was my first thought but such an advanced species can't figure out another way to kick start their "experiment"?
OK ya lets say giving exact home location isn't the best idea but they give a military installation? A place with weapons that could pose a huge threat to themselves? Judging by the end where David finds out their home land don't you think that's pretty stupid? The holograms were also hilarious. So instead of a system where visuals and audio could be accessed from a centralised location they are super ineffeicient and you basically have to follow them. Kind of illogical but again this isn't a gigantic problem.
Regarding the cyborg I was talking about the time when his head gets pulled off and how he/it is still functioning. How he knows jockey is coming for her is anyone's guess.
Ya in 80 years our tech will be crazy but considering the fact it took forever to get the f-22 I don't see a deep space ship with artificial gravity and some sort of hibernation pod happening anytime soon. OK this is a nitpick and not really a big problem but I laughed.
How was there a zombie at all? The movie hinted that the black liquid breaks down organic material. How does it go from that to reanimating a dead guy? That liquid was also a pretty elaborate way to take us out. It's kind of like a guy slowly lowered into a tank full of sharks with lasers (Austin Powers).
Cyborg infects guy because he said he is willing to do anything to find answers. I got this but how does killing him accomplish anything? He was banking that he would have sex with that girl and the alien would answer any sort of answers. Don't buy that, especially conidering his programming couldn't be that messed up.
As I said before one could come up with an explanation for several of these but it's a stretch IMO. You could do that with every movie that had plot holes ever. I don't believe a film has to hold your hand all the time but it also can't leave too much to the viewer.
Yes actually that was my first thought but such an advanced species can't figure out another way to kick start their "experiment"?
OK ya lets say giving exact home location isn't the best idea but they give a military installation? A place with weapons that could pose a huge threat to themselves? Judging by the end where David finds out their home land don't you think that's pretty stupid? The holograms were also hilarious. So instead of a system where visuals and audio could be accessed from a centralised location they are super ineffeicient and you basically have to follow them. Kind of illogical but again this isn't a gigantic problem.
Regarding the cyborg I was talking about the time when his head gets pulled off and how he/it is still functioning. How he knows jockey is coming for her is anyone's guess.
Ya in 80 years our tech will be crazy but considering the fact it took forever to get the f-22 I don't see a deep space ship with artificial gravity and some sort of hibernation pod happening anytime soon. OK this is a nitpick and not really a big problem but I laughed.
How was there a zombie at all? The movie hinted that the black liquid breaks down organic material. How does it go from that to reanimating a dead guy? That liquid was also a pretty elaborate way to take us out. It's kind of like a guy slowly lowered into a tank full of sharks with lasers (Austin Powers).
Cyborg infects guy because he said he is willing to do anything to find answers. I got this but how does killing him accomplish anything? He was banking that he would have sex with that girl and the alien would answer any sort of answers. Don't buy that, especially conidering his programming couldn't be that messed up.
As I said before one could come up with an explanation for several of these but it's a stretch IMO. You could do that with every movie that had plot holes ever. I don't believe a film has to hold your hand all the time but it also can't leave too much to the viewer.
Frank Harvey
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It's all very well nitpicking, but I bet there were people slagging off 2001 when it came out, and saying, "that's impossible", or "this is just pie in the sky stuff". with science fiction, are we only to believe what we can prove? With anything we can't prove, we have no frame of reference.
Sleepaphobic said:
I hear ya. Just felt like mentioning that particular scene cause it kinda represents the stupidity of the entire script. I wonder how it would have played out had it not been for Damon Lindelof and Jon Spaihts clumsy writing. It kinda hurts knowing that Ridley Scott obviously approved of it all. But given that he apparently liked it :O:O:O I suppose it says unfortunate things about him that I dont care to know, and I normally admire his work. Then again, nobody can get it right each time.
6th.replicant
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@ Sleepaphobic
In Alien, Ash was decapitated by whacks from a heavy fire extinguisher, so impact-damage would've caused his 'shutdown'. Whereas David's bonce was pulled off, which is consistent with Bishop still functioning after being ripped-in-two in Aliens. David was able to monitor/communicate with Prometheus remotely, so he could've sensed the engineer approaching/entering Vicker's Prometheus survival pod? And David could've merely heard the engineer exiting the crashed ship? Hence, warning for Shaw. Inter-galactic travel in all SF films is bunkum. Never mind cryo-sleep and artificial gravity, there's the overlooked issue of distance: to reach such far-flung worlds within a practical journey time - ie, months/years not decades - would require propulsion/speed exceeding the speed of light, the theoretical consequence of which is, obviously, time travel. Which is a whole new can of wormholes and paradoxes.I'm not qualified to comment on how the combined effects of ingesting a sentient black 'oil' and an alien serpent, and one's face/helmet imploding, might create a zombie. But I'm guessing headache at best, zombification at worst is not too much of stretch?And perhaps black 'oil' + serpent = zombie was also what affected the engineers, hence the pile of engineers' skeletons and the fleeing hologram? David didn't kill Holloway, Vickers did, and she wasn't aware of David's experiment. Also, I'm not aware of any indications that Holloway and Shaw's 'coupling' was part of David's plan?Interesting to note that initially Ridley Scott wanted to be the producer, leaving the directing to his protege Carl Erik Rinsch, but Fox insisted Scott direct.
FWIW, I read it that the Sacrifice Engineer was a dissident acting alone - might partially explain why the engineers want to wipe out humanity - thus his 'evo tech' was relatively low-fi? Although, creating a new species from decomposing DNA is still pretty savvy in my book, although I suppose he could've waived a magic wand, or created Adam and Eve.
In Alien, Ash was decapitated by whacks from a heavy fire extinguisher, so impact-damage would've caused his 'shutdown'. Whereas David's bonce was pulled off, which is consistent with Bishop still functioning after being ripped-in-two in Aliens.
David was able to monitor/communicate with Prometheus remotely, thus he detected the engineer approaching/entering Vicker's Prometheus survival pod? Or David could've merely heard the engineer exiting the crashed ship? Hence, warning for Shaw.
Inter-galactic travel in all SF films is bunkum. Never mind cryo-sleep and artificial gravity, there's the overlooked issue of distance: to reach such far-flung worlds within a practical journey time - ie, months/years not decades - would require propulsion/speed exceeding the speed of light, the theoretical consequence of which is, obviously, time travel. Which is a whole new can of wormholes and paradoxes.
I'm not qualified to comment on how the combined effects of ingesting a sentient black 'oil' and an alien serpent, along with one's face/helmet imploding, might create a zombie. But I'm guessing 'headache at best, zombification at worst' is not too much of stretch?
And perhaps black 'oil' + serpent = zombie was also what affected the engineers, hence the pile of engineer skeletons and the fleeing hologram?
David didn't kill Holloway, Vickers did, and she wasn't aware of David's experiment. Also, I'm not aware of any indications that Holloway and Shaw's 'coupling' was part of David's plan?
Interesting to note that initially Ridley Scott wanted to only produce, with his protege Carl Erik Rinsch directing, but Fox insisted Scott direct.
In Alien, Ash was decapitated by whacks from a heavy fire extinguisher, so impact-damage would've caused his 'shutdown'. Whereas David's bonce was pulled off, which is consistent with Bishop still functioning after being ripped-in-two in Aliens. David was able to monitor/communicate with Prometheus remotely, so he could've sensed the engineer approaching/entering Vicker's Prometheus survival pod? And David could've merely heard the engineer exiting the crashed ship? Hence, warning for Shaw. Inter-galactic travel in all SF films is bunkum. Never mind cryo-sleep and artificial gravity, there's the overlooked issue of distance: to reach such far-flung worlds within a practical journey time - ie, months/years not decades - would require propulsion/speed exceeding the speed of light, the theoretical consequence of which is, obviously, time travel. Which is a whole new can of wormholes and paradoxes.I'm not qualified to comment on how the combined effects of ingesting a sentient black 'oil' and an alien serpent, and one's face/helmet imploding, might create a zombie. But I'm guessing headache at best, zombification at worst is not too much of stretch?And perhaps black 'oil' + serpent = zombie was also what affected the engineers, hence the pile of engineers' skeletons and the fleeing hologram? David didn't kill Holloway, Vickers did, and she wasn't aware of David's experiment. Also, I'm not aware of any indications that Holloway and Shaw's 'coupling' was part of David's plan?Interesting to note that initially Ridley Scott wanted to be the producer, leaving the directing to his protege Carl Erik Rinsch, but Fox insisted Scott direct.
FWIW, I read it that the Sacrifice Engineer was a dissident acting alone - might partially explain why the engineers want to wipe out humanity - thus his 'evo tech' was relatively low-fi? Although, creating a new species from decomposing DNA is still pretty savvy in my book, although I suppose he could've waived a magic wand, or created Adam and Eve.
In Alien, Ash was decapitated by whacks from a heavy fire extinguisher, so impact-damage would've caused his 'shutdown'. Whereas David's bonce was pulled off, which is consistent with Bishop still functioning after being ripped-in-two in Aliens.
David was able to monitor/communicate with Prometheus remotely, thus he detected the engineer approaching/entering Vicker's Prometheus survival pod? Or David could've merely heard the engineer exiting the crashed ship? Hence, warning for Shaw.
Inter-galactic travel in all SF films is bunkum. Never mind cryo-sleep and artificial gravity, there's the overlooked issue of distance: to reach such far-flung worlds within a practical journey time - ie, months/years not decades - would require propulsion/speed exceeding the speed of light, the theoretical consequence of which is, obviously, time travel. Which is a whole new can of wormholes and paradoxes.
I'm not qualified to comment on how the combined effects of ingesting a sentient black 'oil' and an alien serpent, along with one's face/helmet imploding, might create a zombie. But I'm guessing 'headache at best, zombification at worst' is not too much of stretch?
And perhaps black 'oil' + serpent = zombie was also what affected the engineers, hence the pile of engineer skeletons and the fleeing hologram?
David didn't kill Holloway, Vickers did, and she wasn't aware of David's experiment. Also, I'm not aware of any indications that Holloway and Shaw's 'coupling' was part of David's plan?
Interesting to note that initially Ridley Scott wanted to only produce, with his protege Carl Erik Rinsch directing, but Fox insisted Scott direct.
bigboss
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ooh.. said:
Looks like you didn't understand the film. That last xenomorph-like alien who burst out of the Engineer's chest was the prequel to the Alien series. Despite Dr. Shaw warning not to come to this moon looking for them, Weyland Corporation sends a team. It helped that I watched all 4 alien movies only last month
We watched the film today. I thought it was brilliant. We enjoyed every bit. Sure, there were some loose plots, but they were far less than the original Alien series'.
Remember that the film was shot entirely with 3D cameras. So the 2D was actually converted from 3D (presumably by ignoring pictures from one of the 2 lenses :? ). So true videophiles, wanting to watch as the director intended, should watch in 3D
apologies up front, i've been offline for most of this week so missed most of this thread and i'm too depressed (broken hand = no golf = miserable rich) to read through the almost 100 posts so far.
Anyways...
I recently went to see Avengers for the 2nd time. First time was IMAX 3D which aswell as being visually awesome is sonically EPIC. The second was in Cardiff's Showcase cinema, the first time i'd been there for about 2yrs, and I wont be hurrying back. It didnt lose much of its visual impact but the sound was muddy as hell and I would have sworn on my grandmothers ashes that not all the speakers behind the screen were working correctly as most of the sound was comming from the top right of the screen (at least thats what I thought).
For that reason alone i'll be going to watch Prometheus next week at Cardiff's IMAX screen and though I am well aware of the split opinion i'm still really excited.
Anyways...
I recently went to see Avengers for the 2nd time. First time was IMAX 3D which aswell as being visually awesome is sonically EPIC. The second was in Cardiff's Showcase cinema, the first time i'd been there for about 2yrs, and I wont be hurrying back. It didnt lose much of its visual impact but the sound was muddy as hell and I would have sworn on my grandmothers ashes that not all the speakers behind the screen were working correctly as most of the sound was comming from the top right of the screen (at least thats what I thought).
For that reason alone i'll be going to watch Prometheus next week at Cardiff's IMAX screen and though I am well aware of the split opinion i'm still really excited.
gregvet
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professorhat
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So, have ignored this thread until tonight when I saw the film at the Waterloo IMAX. A bit too close to the screen, but the cinema is fantastic. Only watched the first trailer before seeing the film, didn't read any reviews etc. so had no real info about film and no real expectations (other than the obvious ones being a big Alien fan). Very simply, my one word review for the film is...
Meh.
Done.
Meh.
Done.
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