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CES Hands On - Samsung HW-Q990F review
Son_of_SJ
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ellisdj said:
I hesitate here - what I do have is a calibrated Pioneer Kuro LX5090 in one room, and an uncalibrated (but using recommended calibration settings) Panasonic 65VT65 in another room. Now, it is the VT65 that I have, slightly below the 60ZT65. The 65" Panasonic VT65 is of course bigger than the 50" Pioneer, but overall do I notice much difference in picture quality? I have to say, no, so far I don't. I might change my view once the Panasonic is calibrated. I'm fully prepare that the new Panasonic 4K OLED is the best yet, though I'd be keen to see it next to the Samsung UE65JS9500, which itself was very highly lauded only six months ago, for instance here http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/televisions/plasma-and-lcd-tvs/samsung-ue65js9500-1287926/review. Indeed, John Archer ends his review with "It's also clear that the vast majority of consumers won't be able to stretch to the 65JS9500's six grand asking price. But none of this ultimately changes the simple fact that Samsung's new flagship TV produces simply the best picture quality I've ever seen."
And Panasonic's new TX-65CZ950 4K OLED is supposed to be better still.
Look it up son of SJ the ZT was touted as the Kuro Killer at the time of the IFA show, I remember looking at the pictures of them all - they had both and the VT on show next to each other. I thought and commented thinking they had down calibrated the Kuro to make the pannys look better - numpty thing to think.
Now the Oled is touted as the ZT killer - they had both on show apparently as well.
Progress is being made for sure,
When you calibrate the VT65 it should max it out and you can see how good it is - the calibrations controls are vast to allow for perfect calibration thats nowhere near out of the box, I cant see anyone else settings being spot on, but they should be similar, simialr wont be as good it is gets though. However as you can see the reference image on the kuro is still excellent as will the VT plasma still be if the OLED is calibrated the same. The OLED will be better but the VT will hold its own on 1080p. UHD Blu Ray could very well be another story altogether but only time will tell with any advances being major here.
What is different they had all the plasmas under a display to stop there being too much ambient light from memory
With the OLED its out on show in full exhibition light by the looks of it which is a big thing to do really if you think about it - very strong sign of the tech being good for those that watch in very light rooms.
Now the Oled is touted as the ZT killer - they had both on show apparently as well.
Progress is being made for sure,
When you calibrate the VT65 it should max it out and you can see how good it is - the calibrations controls are vast to allow for perfect calibration thats nowhere near out of the box, I cant see anyone else settings being spot on, but they should be similar, simialr wont be as good it is gets though. However as you can see the reference image on the kuro is still excellent as will the VT plasma still be if the OLED is calibrated the same. The OLED will be better but the VT will hold its own on 1080p. UHD Blu Ray could very well be another story altogether but only time will tell with any advances being major here.
What is different they had all the plasmas under a display to stop there being too much ambient light from memory
With the OLED its out on show in full exhibition light by the looks of it which is a big thing to do really if you think about it - very strong sign of the tech being good for those that watch in very light rooms.
Series1boy
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LG have had their oleds out for over 2 years now, and there have been lots of problems noted on many of forums with them. Panasonic come along using the same panel, although it has been stated they have specially selected their panels and they come and blow the lg's out of the water. It's all about the processing and tech driving the panel. Panasonic have the rolls Royce engine and unfortunately lg have the Kia(no disrespect to Kia owners) engine which is overly underpowered and not as advanced. Of course, Panasonic bring along their flagship experience from their plasma days and also they have the pioneer engineers working for them now who put together the amazing kuros..
its very exciting times and I hope Panasonic can bring in more affordable oleds such as the VT equivalent for us mere mortals..
its very exciting times and I hope Panasonic can bring in more affordable oleds such as the VT equivalent for us mere mortals..
Son_of_SJ
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In this interview, the price is confirmed at around £8,000. They also say that they would like to do a 55" version next year. Somehow two Panasonic senior people couldn't bring themselves to actually let the word "LG" as in the phrase "we are using an LG panel" pass their lips.
http://www.whathifi.com/interview/panasonic-talks-tv-oled-hdr-4k-blu-ray-and-more
http://www.whathifi.com/interview/panasonic-talks-tv-oled-hdr-4k-blu-ray-and-more
In the limited numbers the UK will apparently get it will be interesting to see if they all go or hang around and drop in price
They said the ZT would be limited numbers but I don't remember anyone saying they couldn't get one.
This tv is obviously different due to price but it's a clever play from panasonic or tough call for prospective buyer.
If you really want it and can afford it do you buy or wait and hope the price drops but chance there being no stock left to buy or very long wait to get one in
What would you do?
They said the ZT would be limited numbers but I don't remember anyone saying they couldn't get one.
This tv is obviously different due to price but it's a clever play from panasonic or tough call for prospective buyer.
If you really want it and can afford it do you buy or wait and hope the price drops but chance there being no stock left to buy or very long wait to get one in
What would you do?
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Um wait. A crazy few with more money than sense on AV Forums will buy it but that's it.ellisdj said:
bigboss
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Just like ZT, the price will drop. Makes me wonder it's a Panasonic ploy to make people think they're getting a bargain when the price drops.
55-inch model too:gel said:
http://www.whathifi.com/news/panasonic-2016-tvs-full-oled-range-more-4k-sets-better-led-tech
I think I could be tempted even by the 55-inch model, although I would want the 65-inch model but say if the stand don't fit onto my av stand I would think about it.gel said:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/used-zt-201509134173.htmgel said:
He thinks that the Panasonic blews the ZT65 out of the water, but to be fair I thought my LG OLED was a big jump from my Panasonic VT65, so should be very interesting demoing this TV.
bigboss
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I just don't want to pay £1000 for a new stand, I would prefer to leave it to fate. Do you think I should get the 65-inch then?bigboss said:
Son_of_SJ
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gel said:
And you are determined to ignore my sub-£100 advice that I gave in post 41 of this thread .....
gel said:
Since you ask (even though you were asking bigboss rather than me!), no, I don't think you should get the new Panasonic 65" 4K OLED! I think you should stick with your excellent 55" 980W LG OLED for quite some time ......
So I am watching my Metallica Glastonbury concert on my LG OLED and I am thinking how much blacker can it really go on this Panasonic OLED? I am going to take a guess and say it can't but would love to be proven wrong, I really can't see it though. The whole screen is black!
Its not how much blacker it is Gel - its the transitions from black to grey that they have improved.
Thats how I understand it and is generally what a calibration does to a tv in my experience.
The LG's supposedly crush low level greys by not coming out quickly enough I think - hence the solid black then colour look.
I have found the expensive Sony LED tvs to be similar there is just solid black in patches where there should be gradiant.
I could be wrong in this assumption - that is how I read the spiel - happy to be if someone has better info - they normally do
Thats how I understand it and is generally what a calibration does to a tv in my experience.
The LG's supposedly crush low level greys by not coming out quickly enough I think - hence the solid black then colour look.
I have found the expensive Sony LED tvs to be similar there is just solid black in patches where there should be gradiant.
I could be wrong in this assumption - that is how I read the spiel - happy to be if someone has better info - they normally do
I am not sure whether I will like it as much as I thought I would then. I probably will but will have to demo to find out for sure.ellisdj said:
You will Gel - I think its going to be a pretty stonking TV, its an improved / bang on accurate OLED
Whats not to like about that - except how much it costs.
Whats not to like about that - except how much it costs.
For 8k you would expect either pre calibration or someone to come round after a few hundred hours to do it included in the cost
I bet it it will still need doing, and I bet that wont happen Unless a delaer does as part of the sale
I bet it it will still need doing, and I bet that wont happen
Unless a delaer does as part of the sale Native_bon
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Yes it would be nice if detail in dark scenes can be improved upon, cause if not the inky black makes no sense. The only problem now is the high input lag. 86ms at best. This can rise from 120ms to 200ms with processing thrown in. 4K gaming is out then.
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