Oh s@@@! What have I done?

[CnoEvil]

I suspect that the synergy with an Electro amp might work better, which is how I've always heard it.....though that isn't particularly helpful to you.

I have had my suspicions that Naim is slightly rolled off in the treble, which "may" explain things....or I could be totally wrong!

 

[plastic penguin]

I suspect that the synergy with an Electro amp might work better, which is how I've always heard it.....though that isn't particularly helpful to you.

I have had my suspicions that Naim is slightly rolled off in the treble, which "may" explain things....or I could be totally wrong!

Could be right on all counts. Think about it: Naim slightly rolled off. Arcam slightly... you see what I'm saying here.

Can you explain what the Class A output is meant to produce? Only asking because this Electro is only the 4th CDP I've ever owned, so my experience of CDPs pales by comparison to amps and speakers.

 

[CnoEvil]

Could be right on all counts. Think about it: Naim slightly rolled off. Arcam slightly... you see what I'm saying here.

The same thought had also occured to me as well.

Can you explain what the Class A output is meant to produce? Only asking because this Electro is only the 4th CDP I've ever owned, so my experience of CDPs pales by comparison to amps and speakers.

That's more than I would know, I'm afraid......I'll let the more technical types deal with it. *scratch_one-s_head*

 

[Vladimir]

Less distortion and flat FR, which explains why it sounds brighter compared to the rolled-off Naim.

 

[plastic penguin]

Could be right on all counts. Think about it: Naim slightly rolled off. Arcam slightly... you see what I'm saying here.

The same thought had also occured to me as well.

Can you explain what the Class A output is meant to produce? Only asking because this Electro is only the 4th CDP I've ever owned, so my experience of CDPs pales by comparison to amps and speakers.

That's more than I would know, I'm afraid......I'll let the more technical types deal with it. *scratch_one-s_head*

Fair enough.

Was hoping you'd give a balanced appraisal, a wise owl as you

, given you have a love for all things Class A with amps.

TBH, not sure whether this has anytjing to do with it, but I've had a whacking headache most of the day.

 

[Native_bon]

This is the reason why demo in a must in your setup. It always has to be about your ears & no ones elses. Thats why I dnt recommed stuff on these pages. People amuse are listening ability is the same but I dnt think it is.

 

[plastic penguin]

This is the reason why demo in a must in your setup. It always has to be about your ears & no ones elses. Thats why I dnt recommed stuff on these pages. People amuse are listening ability is the same but I dnt think it is.

Horses for courses... hope I haven't tangled my mane.

I've always advised dems before buying. But purchased the PMCs (sort of) blind and love'em. Hoped the Electro would be a good calculated risk. It may well be. I don't give up that easily. Could well take much more time, but, if the CDP doesn't quite talk to me, I'll be honest enough to say.

 

[drummerman]

I hope this is not one of those rather annoying epiphany threads were the products suddenly takes on near mystical qualities over-night, transforming from the ugly duckling into ...

I'm all for the cautious approach ie. listen to something for a weekend rather than immediate gushing but if you are not sure after that I'd stick with what you have.

If it helps, I have two cyrus players. A 'newer' one which was released at the same time as my 8vs2 and an older DAD3. One is more more 'hifi' and does space, soundstage and perhaps a bit more detail. The other is more 'one of a piece' with better bass and more drive and that's the one I mostly use. It's more 'musical' to use a non-objective term.

regards

 

[CnoEvil]

.....but I've had a whacking headache most of the day.

Been there, done that and jumped to the wrong conclusion. You can't think straight or analyze properly with a thumping headache.

 

[Sliced Bread]

Its interesting to hear your experiences PP.

When I heard electrocompaniet with PMC a few years ago. I was in audio Nirvana. I was almost tempted to swap out my home theatre system for it.

I agree with the OP that this may be synergy between amp and CD player perhaps...Or maybe it's just not your bag. Must admit though, I've not heard Naim with PMC, so maybe this is even better.

 

[ID.]

I agree with the OP that this may be synergy between amp and CD player perhaps...Or maybe it's just not your bag.

"Can sound lightweight and querulous if poorly partnered" according to the WHF review. The CD player revealing the amp's lean and pacy side? http://www.whathifi.com/leema/pulse/review

So is a neutral and detailed CD player revealing the true nature of the amp while the Arcam and Naim gave it more body, or is it something else?

 

[CnoEvil]

In this thread: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/taga-possibly-best-affordable-speakers-youve-never-heard

I heard the ECI-3 along with the Taga speakers, and the Electro CDP perfectly matched the slightly darker / richer presentation of this amp. So once again, it's about system balance and personal preference.

 

[plastic penguin]

I agree with the OP that this may be synergy between amp and CD player perhaps...Or maybe it's just not your bag.

"Can sound lightweight and querulous if poorly partnered" according to the WHF review. The CD player revealing the amp's lean and pacy side? http://www.whathifi.com/leema/pulse/review

So is a neutral and detailed CD player revealing the true nature of the amp while the Arcam and Naim gave it more body, or is it something else?

This is where the review is misleading. In the 4-years I've had the Pulse it has never sounded lightweight, regardless of sources and speakers. I would go as far as saying it is one of the flexible amps I've ever heard. That said, any amp "can sound lightweight and querulous" with the wrong partners. That's not the case here. It's still punchy and full-bodied, more of a case of me not liking the extra detail.

I purchased a pair Grado SR60i and soon gave them up because the welter of detail, which I commented about on here.

*EDIT* Just found it here. This all sounds familiar, eh?

 

[plastic penguin]

In this thread: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/taga-possibly-best-affordable-speakers-youve-never-heard

I heard the ECI-3 along with the Taga speakers, and the Electro CDP perfectly matched the slightly darker / richer presentation of this amp. So once again, it's about system balance and personal preference.

The Leema isn't for turning.

Look at all the people who own or have owned the the Pulse. Everyone has had different speakers and sources, ranging from Spendor, Dynaudio, to RS6s and PMC. You cannot get a more ecletic mix.

 

[CnoEvil]

In this thread: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/taga-possibly-best-affordable-speakers-youve-never-heard

I heard the ECI-3 along with the Taga speakers, and the Electro CDP perfectly matched the slightly darker / richer presentation of this amp. So once again, it's about system balance and personal preference.

The Leema isn't for turning.

Look at all the people who own or have owned the the Pulse. Everyone has had different speakers and sources, ranging from Spendor, Dynaudio, to RS6s and PMC. You cannot get a more ecletic mix.

I know that, it's just that I like to understand what is going on.....which is why I looked up my thoughts from back then.

 

[plastic penguin]

In this thread: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/taga-possibly-best-affordable-speakers-youve-never-heard

I heard the ECI-3 along with the Taga speakers, and the Electro CDP perfectly matched the slightly darker / richer presentation of this amp. So once again, it's about system balance and personal preference.

The Leema isn't for turning.

Look at all the people who own or have owned the the Pulse. Everyone has had different speakers and sources, ranging from Spendor, Dynaudio, to RS6s and PMC. You cannot get a more ecletic mix.

I know that, it's just that I like to understand what is going on.....which is why I looked up my thoughts from back then.

I think Electro isn't to my personal taste. It's fine but I think the extra detail is just tipping over the comfortable level.

 

[CnoEvil]

In this thread: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/taga-possibly-best-affordable-speakers-youve-never-heard

I heard the ECI-3 along with the Taga speakers, and the Electro CDP perfectly matched the slightly darker / richer presentation of this amp. So once again, it's about system balance and personal preference.

The Leema isn't for turning.

Look at all the people who own or have owned the the Pulse. Everyone has had different speakers and sources, ranging from Spendor, Dynaudio, to RS6s and PMC. You cannot get a more ecletic mix.

I know that, it's just that I like to understand what is going on.....which is why I looked up my thoughts from back then.

I think Electro isn't to my personal taste. It's fine but I think the extra detail is just tipping over the comfortable level.

I'm probably less tolerant of an anaytical sound than you are....the secret is to have the detail, but not in a way that gives you a headache.

I've heard Kef Refs (my model) sound so bad (hard, glassy and unmusical), that I couldn't stay in the room with them.

 

[plastic penguin]

In this thread: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/taga-possibly-best-affordable-speakers-youve-never-heard

I heard the ECI-3 along with the Taga speakers, and the Electro CDP perfectly matched the slightly darker / richer presentation of this amp. So once again, it's about system balance and personal preference.

The Leema isn't for turning.

Look at all the people who own or have owned the the Pulse. Everyone has had different speakers and sources, ranging from Spendor, Dynaudio, to RS6s and PMC. You cannot get a more ecletic mix.

I know that, it's just that I like to understand what is going on.....which is why I looked up my thoughts from back then.

I think Electro isn't to my personal taste. It's fine but I think the extra detail is just tipping over the comfortable level.

I'm probably less tolerant of an anaytical sound than you are....the secret is to have the detail, but not in a way that gives you a headache.

I've heard Kef Refs (my model) sound so bad (hard, glassy and unmusical), that I couldn't stay in the room with them.

No, no - the Electro didn't give me a headache. I woke up with a slight headache and got worse as the day wore on (too much stress with delivery that went all haywire, and losing two days pay -- and on Thursday my daughter came down with a heavy cold, which has now gone chesty.)

The question or point Iwas trying to make is could a bad headache influence the sound I'm hearing?

 

[CnoEvil]

No, no - the Electro didn't give me a headache. I woke up with a slight headache and got worse as the day wore on (too much stress with delivery that went all haywire, and losing two days pay -- and on Thursday my daughter came down with a heavy cold, which has now gone chesty.)

The question or point Iwas trying to make is could a bad headache influence the sound I'm hearing?

I know that too......forums, don't you just love them!

FWIW. I think you will give it a good chance and make the right choice.

 

[plastic penguin]

No, no - the Electro didn't give me a headache. I woke up with a slight headache and got worse as the day wore on (too much stress with delivery that went all haywire, and losing two days pay -- and on Thursday my daughter came down with a heavy cold, which has now gone chesty.)

The question or point Iwas trying to make is could a bad headache influence the sound I'm hearing?

I know that too......forums, don't you just love them!

FWIW. I think you will give it a good chance and make the right choice.

Yup, certainly will. Let's see where we're at this time next week. Never know, it may click into place.

Cheers, Cno.

 

[Vladimir]

Why did this particular CDP came in the equation to try it out?

IMO it really is like going to the best italian restaurant in your town and ordering a peking duck. Meaning, you go to EC for amplification, not tuners, CDPs, speakers. It really isn't their forte.

 

[plastic penguin]

Why did this particular CDP came in the equation to try it out?

IMO it really is like going to the best italian restaurant in your town and ordering a peking duck. Meaning, you go to EC for amplification, not tuners, CDPs, speakers. It really isn't their forte.

What restaurants do you go to?

How do you know it isn't their (Basil) forte? Again, have you personal experience i.e. have you dem'd any at home or at a retailer? Or are you Googling more nonsense?

To answer your question, all I've read about Electros seem to fit system -- and it was cheap.

 

[Vladimir]

Wow, easy there Mr. I just asked a question, which seemed logical to me.

When I think of a CDP to bring me to awe, it usually is the mommy and daddy of the technology, Sony and Philips (and the offspring Marantz), why not even the cousin Pioneer. If you don't know what Electrocompaniet's forte is, you are in the wrong hobby my friend.

A manufacturer's forte is the focus of all research and development, capital investment, targeted market, brand recognition and even where the 'pedigree' is. Why ignore all that? 'The CDP is not speaking to me.' Of course it isn't. It has nothing to do with the actual sound or Class A.

That 3kg CDP was made (based on a Sony or Philips VAM transport by the looks of it) to compliment EC amps as a stacked system. More of a 'throw that CD in the amp deal' sort of a product. Only an EC lover will appreciate it, IMO.

If you want to fall in love with a brand everyone is talking about, but it is completely new to you, start with the head (their forte), not the tail (the addons). Why not ditch the Leema and buy a proper amp (hint: Electrocompaniet). *dirol*

 

[plastic penguin]

Wow, easy there Mr. I just asked a question, which seemed logical to me.

When I think of a CDP to bring me to awe, it usually is the mommy and daddy of the technology, Sony and Philips (and the offspring Marantz), why not even the cousin Pioneer. If you don't know what Electrocompaniet's forte is, you are in the wrong hobby my friend.

A manufacturer's forte is the focus of all research and development, capital investment, targeted market, brand recognition and even where the 'pedigree' is. Why ignore all that? 'The CDP is not speaking to me.' Of course it isn't. It has nothing to do with the actual sound or Class A.

That 3kg CDP was made (based on a Sony or Philips VAM transport by the looks of it) to compliment EC amps as a stacked system. More of a 'throw that CD in the amp deal' sort of a product. Only an EC lover will appreciate it, IMO.

If you want to fall in love with a brand everyone is talking about, but it is completely new to you, start with the head, not the tail. Ditch the Leema and buy a proper amp (hint: Electrocompaniet). *dirol*

I think Iceman, Macspur, Electro and others, including Cno, would disagree with your flimsey statement that CDPs aren't Electrocompaniet's forte.

Hearing is believing, not reading...

 

[Vladimir]

My sincerest apologies to the forum if PP's head explodes after this one. I promise to mop up the mess. *biggrin*