MF vs ADM upgrade path?

[Overdose]

Have you been on the sauce this morning?

Be very careful, my tolerance of personal insults is extremely low today.

Then ban me, don't threaten me. I don't think my comment was particularly out of order, given a certain persons ranting this afternoon.

It's the kind of thing heard down any pub after people have had a few, ie unreasoned nonsense.

This is not a pub. And it was not a threat, merely a request to keep dialogue civil without suggesting that other posters have been drinking.

Fair enough, but an even handed approach to moderation might be welcome in light of recent posts.

 

[Kevin Stephens]

Folks, lot of useful info here but PLEASE can you lay off the bitter arguments and insults. The respective entrenched beliefs have been made clear. Back on topic I've just found that a friend has an ADM9T set up, which I'm looking forward to listening to

 

[richardw42]

He kept it quiet

 

[Overdose]

Folks, lot of useful info here but PLEASE can you lay off the bitter arguments and insults. The respective entrenched beliefs have been made clear. Back on topic I've just found that a friend has an ADM9T set up, which I'm looking forward to listening to

Unfortunately this is what happens when you mention AVI or ADM on this forum.

ADM9s, the sound of inevitibility.

 

[relocated]

To be fair, relocated, they can't be auditioned except at the manufacturer's facility (or another owner's home), which may not be convenient for the OP. Furthermore, since they are made to order, they fall outwith the Distance Selling Regulations so cannot be tried for a period.

John, Mr Lemon made a statement, that AVI ADM 40s can not be auditioned/demoed, that was wrong. I was merely correcting that mistake or mis-information. Now it may not be convenient for the OP to audition there, but that is a side issue beyond what Lemon said. The DSR point is well made and important for those who think it appropriate to home audition products.

 

[relocated]

Folks, lot of useful info here but PLEASE can you lay off the bitter arguments and insults. The respective entrenched beliefs have been made clear. Back on topic I've just found that a friend has an ADM9T set up, which I'm looking forward to listening to

That is excellent and will show you what ADMs can do. Come back and let us know how you get on.

The arguments I am afraid are a part of recommending or being interested in AVI product. People, mainly ignorant of the sound of ADMs, can't let recommendation or interest go by without inaccurate posting.

 

[relocated]

Relocated, If you had listened to my gear you wouldn't have bothered with ADM, believe me!

Now can we have a break from the AVI juggernaut for a bit? You've really little new to say, and it's all getting a bit boring.

The OP is asking about AVI ADM 40s, :read: or did you miss that? Just passing on information, relevant to the question, about ADM 40 auditioning and ownership.

 

[Alec]

You know these rows are inevitable John, so just ban them, but be even handed about it (you wouldn't want the AVI fans banned and the AVI fan winder-uppers to stay, would you?). I'd be over the moon to see the the three main protagonists in this thread gone, and I'm deliberately making that clear to them.

 

[Overdose]

You know these rows are inevitable John, so just ban them, but be even handed about it (you wouldn't want the AVI fans banned and the AVI fan winder-uppers to stay, would you?). I'd be over the moon to see the the three main protagonists in this thread gone, and I'm deliberately making that clear to them.

I'm not sure how you can ban people for having a 'robust' viewpoint or where you would deem it suitable to step in to a row, presumably when someone starts being anti social for the sake of it, or making an unhelpful comment that is going to do nothing other than inflame the situation, or by breaking house rules. I don't know that I would want anyone banned, everyone has a contribution to make at some point.

Banning people who have opposing views isn't particularly helpful, as somewhere down the line, we all will differ in opinion somewhere. Perhaps if people have no vested interest in a topic and find it boring or otherwise 'not for them', they could simply ignore the post? That would seem the simple solution. Perhaps add an initial positive contribution and try to answer the OP rather than to point score or snipe those that are interested?

I personally have no problem ignoring most threads about KEF speakers, or most other passive speakers for that matter, because I have no interest. If people have no interest in AVI ADM speakers then common sense would dictate that they do the same, no?

'If you can't be fair, be arbitrary'.

 

[chebby]

I personally have no problem ignoring most threads about KEF speakers, or most other passive speakers for that matter, because I have no interest. If people have no interest in AVI ADM speakers then common sense would dictate that they do the same, no?

So the next time someone starts a post asking about putting together a passive system with - for instance - some KEF LS50s and an amp and a DAC, we won't see you in there promoting AVI ADM9s instead because you'll be ignoring it, yes?

 

[Alec]

I personally have no problem ignoring most threads about KEF speakers, or most other passive speakers for that matter, because I have no interest. If people have no interest in AVI ADM speakers then common sense would dictate that they do the same, no?

So the next time someone starts a post asking about putting together a passive system with - for instance - some KEF LS50s and an amp and a DAC, we won't see you in there promoting AVI ADM9s instead because you'll be ignoring it, yes?

Or, indeed, will we see any yellow fruits getting shirty on the other side of the fence...Same thing, y'see.

 

[chebby]

Or, indeed, will we see any yellow fruits getting shirty on the other side of the fence...Same thing, y'see.

We both know the answer to both questions. (I should have made it a rhetorical question. Sorry.)

 

[altruistic.lemon]

I personally have no problem ignoring most threads about KEF speakers, or most other passive speakers for that matter, because I have no interest. If people have no interest in AVI ADM speakers then common sense would dictate that they do the same, no?

So the next time someone starts a post asking about putting together a passive system with - for instance - some KEF LS50s and an amp and a DAC, we won't see you in there promoting AVI ADM9s instead because you'll be ignoring it, yes?

Or, indeed, will we see any yellow fruits getting shirty on the other side of the fence...Same thing, y'see.

Name names, don't be afraid!

 

[Overdose]

I personally have no problem ignoring most threads about KEF speakers, or most other passive speakers for that matter, because I have no interest. If people have no interest in AVI ADM speakers then common sense would dictate that they do the same, no?

So the next time someone starts a post asking about putting together a passive system with - for instance - some KEF LS50s and an amp and a DAC, we won't see you in there promoting AVI ADM9s instead because you'll be ignoring it, yes?

Or, indeed, will we see any yellow fruits getting shirty on the other side of the fence...Same thing, y'see.

Well that would depend on AL, but both of you commenting in this fashion doesn't leave you exactly blameless yourselves, does it? You are simply butting into another argument so that you can be involved.

Can you both not see the irony of your posts?

 

[Alec]

I personally have no problem ignoring most threads about KEF speakers, or most other passive speakers for that matter, because I have no interest. If people have no interest in AVI ADM speakers then common sense would dictate that they do the same, no?

So the next time someone starts a post asking about putting together a passive system with - for instance - some KEF LS50s and an amp and a DAC, we won't see you in there promoting AVI ADM9s instead because you'll be ignoring it, yes?

Or, indeed, will we see any yellow fruits getting shirty on the other side of the fence...Same thing, y'see.

Well that would depend on AL, but both of you commenting in this fashion doesn't leave you exactly blameless yourselves, does it? You are simply butting into another argument so that you can be involved.

Can you both not see the irony of your posts?

What we're doing is a little more sophisticated than that.

 

[Overdose]

What we're doing is a little more sophisticated than that.

Well, I shall leave you to your sophisticated Machiavelian plan then....

 

[Ajani]

In planning an upgrade logical steps would be an M6i amp, maybe M6 DAC and new speakers (or even a good sub to underpin my GS10s). My excellent MF tuner has a digital output so everything would go into the DAC. Although I'm a long term MF fan I would of course be keen to listen to other options. One that intrigues me is the new ADM 40 active speaker using integrated DAC and amps with my existing sources, saving money and shelf space. As a starting point I'd be interested in comments on how the ADM "sound" compares to that of MF in terms of character, and at the respective price SQ? Thanks

I doubt there's much wrong with your A3.5 gear. If you want more bass, I'd suggest checking for used GS20s or even GS60s. I'm not convinced that the M6i and DAC will give you quite the improvement you want.

You could of course consider new speakers as well, like the Monitor Audio GX200.

RE: AVI vs MF - I doubt you will get many (if any) opinions on that. It seems (to me anyway) that most persons who switch to AVI products are no longer interested in traditional HiFi and hence don't audition passive systems. So the most they can offer is AVI compared to whatever they used before the switch.

P.S. Feel free to let us know how your friend's ADM9s sound to you.

 

[woodster]

You know these rows are inevitable John, so just ban them, but be even handed about it (you wouldn't want the AVI fans banned and the AVI fan winder-uppers to stay, would you?). I'd be over the moon to see the the three main protagonists in this thread gone, and I'm deliberately making that clear to them.

I have to say I am beginning to lean the same way. I mostly enjoy reading through the various threads and the healthy debate within, however this particular group are getting on my wick.

We all have our particular likes and dislikes in all aspects of life. We all have a common enjoyment of music and its reproduction, but wont always agree what that reproduction should sound or look like here on this forum.

Lets grow up and agree to disagree, the fact that a large number of these threads ends up with this insanely boring and pointless active/non active argument is just plain pointless.

The OP must think some of us are childish jerks

 

[GSB]

I think the point,for me anyways is that its interesting to read about differences,ie active and passive speakers,but it does seem to get into a personal attack if one side disagrees with the other.I'm all for debate and to a certain extent an argument(great reading)but this active/passive fued seems to rear up in every other thread,it goes from informative to just 'avin a pop'....imho. :shifty:

 

[altruistic.lemon]

It's not an active/passive feud. This is more about AVI marketing - you are probably aware that they have used forums in the past to push their products, and a lot of this seems to be related to that. Honorable exceptions, Alec obviously, amongst others.

Maybe it's just some of us have had an overdose of AVI and need to relocate

 

[lindsayt]

In planning an upgrade logical steps would be an M6i amp, maybe M6 DAC and new speakers (or even a good sub to underpin my GS10s). My excellent MF tuner has a digital output so everything would go into the DAC. Although I'm a long term MF fan I would of course be keen to listen to other options. One that intrigues me is the new ADM 40 active speaker using integrated DAC and amps with my existing sources, saving money and shelf space. As a starting point I'd be interested in comments on how the ADM "sound" compares to that of MF in terms of character, and at the respective price SQ? Thanks

The ADM sound, if it can be described as that, tends to be neutral, giving a natural sound with minimal colouration. They have exceptional clarity and control. The midrange initially stands out as superb, probably because this particular area is not universally done so well by many other speakers.

My current ADM9s are an improvement over my previous monitors, the Dynaudio BM5A, in themselves very good. If it is of any use to you, I moved from an MF A3 & B&W602 S2 to the BM5As and the improvement in clarity was quite obvious even then.

There are a few forum members that have the 40s and will probably be along at some point to share their first hand experience.

Overdose, when you say "The ADM sound, if it can be described as that, tends to be neutral, giving a natural sound with minimal colouration. They have exceptional clarity and control. The midrange initially stands out as superb, probably because this particular area is not universally done so well by many other speakers." are you referring to the sound of the ADM 40's or of your own ADM 9's? Or both?

In the context of the thread and Kevin Stephens opening post, the impression that I get is that you are referring to the sound of the ADM 40's or to the sound of both the ADM 40's and the ADM 9's?

I would be very happy to audition the ADM 40's, especially if it was in a comparative demo with my own speakers. I think it would also be great if Kevin Stephens could audition them as then he would be able to answer his own query that started this thread. Overdose, can you please tell us when and where you auditioned the ADM 40's, and what if any other amps and speakers were there at the same time for you to compare them against?

 

[richardw42]

When I auditioned the 40s, I didn't have side by side comparisons. Ideal world and all that

but the music I took with me, I knew so well over the years, and to prepare for the demo I'd listened to virtually non stop for the week before.

Back to the OP. Id def be happy with your amp. I also had the GS10s, they are quite a delicate speaker, listening to an album like Postcards from a Young Man by MSP they sounded lovely, but I agree a good sub would definitely back them up.

PI also had a pair of B&W CM7, they went really well with my MF XA2 (awful with a Roksan k2). So perhaps investigate pairing your amp with something from the CM range.

Apart from that, my sig will tell you what I really think

 

[relocated]

I personally have no problem ignoring most threads about KEF speakers, or most other passive speakers for that matter, because I have no interest. If people have no interest in AVI ADM speakers then common sense would dictate that they do the same, no?

So the next time someone starts a post asking about putting together a passive system with - for instance - some KEF LS50s and an amp and a DAC, we won't see you in there promoting AVI ADM9s instead because you'll be ignoring it, yes?

Or, indeed, will we see any yellow fruits getting shirty on the other side of the fence...Same thing, y'see.

Well that would depend on AL, but both of you commenting in this fashion doesn't leave you exactly blameless yourselves, does it? You are simply butting into another argument so that you can be involved.

Can you both not see the irony of your posts?

What we're doing is a little more sophisticated than that.

:rofl: Absolutely priceless. You really are 'comedy gold'. Brightened up a wet and windy morning.

 

[relocated]

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[altruistic.lemon]

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That is really unfair, relocated, you should apologise and take it back, mate.