marantz pm8005 upgrade to abrahamsen 2up

[Blacksabbath25]

'Tis a rocky path for sure this hifi upgraditis *biggrin* Then one day you fall for a significant-other of your preferred gender, they take one look at your pile of boxes and monolith speakers and declare "well all that's going for a start!!", and hey presto, down you go to Curry's to replace everything with Sashio iPod dock.

calm down major!

some time its fun to learn things hard way.

Think you read something in my post that wasn't there. It was meant to be humorous not a rant.

no it was not on this post but i am pissed off

Yeah I know mate, it was directed to Animesh..perhaps that kind of humour doesn't translate well when English is not your native language. Actually I couldn't be more looking forward to your feedback on the Abrahamsen. I'm sure you'll love it.

you missed the humour in my reply. May be i should have wrote lol in the end.

how can you say it's a side ways move if you have not owned or heard the abrahamsen 2up and have you owned the marantz pm8005 how can you judge something that you have not experienced . Lol

ok you seemed have cheered up. Which is a good thing. I have heard the 8005 and i think its a brilliant amp and punches way above it's weight. As far as abra is concerned i haven't heard it and it is my understanding that it is not a worthwile upgrade, yes, it may well be better than 8005 but howmuch better? Is it going to be better enough for you not wanting to upgrade 6 months down the line?

Thats all.

that's something I will be finding out next week when I get my abrahamsen amp I will set up both amps up together and see what sounds the best out of the two amps . In regards of me changing amps in 6 months you never know the abrahamsen might give me music heaven . I take it you did not have the creek amp for long before upgrading to what you have now what was the matter with the creek amp it was a good amp explain what The lemm does different from the creek amp ? Or would you be upgrading in 6 months lol

 

[winiar550]

Blacksabbath 25 i dont think you can biamp with v20up as it hasnt got a regulated preout-just my thought.By the way i have been to Colins for a demo of his amps heard abrahamsen pre plus two power amps in mono and that was something but then i heard one of his hypex power amps with abrahamsen pre an i was sold-you have to hear it to believe it.We have used my brother in laws ipl acoustics s4tls.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Blacksabbath 25 i dont think you can biamp with v20up as it hasnt got a regulated preout-just my thought.By the way i have been to Colins for a demo of his amps heard abrahamsen pre plus two power amps in mono and that was something but then i heard one of his hypex power amps with abrahamsen pre an i was sold-you have to hear it to believe it.We have used my brother in laws ipl acoustics s4tls.

ok that's interesting I did not no it did not have pre outs but did see on his site that he has abrahamsen power amps and pre . The hypex is something I never talked about but have seen them on his site . I am interested to know what the abrahamsen 2up sounded like ? As its to far for me to go for a demo what did you think about the 2up

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_664715932]

What's that supposed to mean? Does it help further the discussion or the OP?

It helps me, deeply.

hay ! Find a picture of the inside of the Abrahamsen 2up and a picture of the inside of the pm8005 let's look under hood !

Here is a gallery with pics snapped by Colin.

And here is the PM8005.

thank you Vladimir I have not got a clue how to put pictures on this site

If you buy the Abrahamsen Animesh will troll your threads out of jealousy. The Leema Tucana II has over x2 the power rating of the Abrahamsen V2.0 UP, but it has half the energy capacity in the PSU. Kind of embarassing really.

oh Vladimir you misundertand me, i am anything but 1 who trolls.

I have multiple forensic evidence of you trolling Abrahamsen threads by talking up Leema.

i don't think i have talked up leema anywhere other than when i gave my impressions on it when i first got it.

 

[winiar550]

I actually still own one but not for long as i am in the proces of selling it at the moment.As talking about the sound quality i can only say that most likely you will not get better sound for this kind of money and further you will not even considerably beat it with an integrated amps up to 2500£ but the sound will get be diferent not better.I had a musical fidelity m6si (just sold it) and as a pure integrated (for me) abrahamsen wins.There was only one good thing in m6si (power-loads of it).

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_664715932]

'Tis a rocky path for sure this hifi upgraditis *biggrin* Then one day you fall for a significant-other of your preferred gender, they take one look at your pile of boxes and monolith speakers and declare "well all that's going for a start!!", and hey presto, down you go to Curry's to replace everything with Sashio iPod dock.

calm down major!

some time its fun to learn things hard way.

Think you read something in my post that wasn't there. It was meant to be humorous not a rant.

no it was not on this post but i am pissed off

Yeah I know mate, it was directed to Animesh..perhaps that kind of humour doesn't translate well when English is not your native language. Actually I couldn't be more looking forward to your feedback on the Abrahamsen. I'm sure you'll love it.

you missed the humour in my reply. May be i should have wrote lol in the end.

how can you say it's a side ways move if you have not owned or heard the abrahamsen 2up and have you owned the marantz pm8005 how can you judge something that you have not experienced . Lol

ok you seemed have cheered up. Which is a good thing. I have heard the 8005 and i think its a brilliant amp and punches way above it's weight. As far as abra is concerned i haven't heard it and it is my understanding that it is not a worthwile upgrade, yes, it may well be better than 8005 but howmuch better? Is it going to be better enough for you not wanting to upgrade 6 months down the line?

Thats all.

that's something I will be finding out next week when I get my abrahamsen amp I will set up both amps up together and see what sounds the best out of the two amps . In regards of me changing amps in 6 months you never know the abrahamsen might give me music heaven . I take it you did not have the creek amp for long before upgrading to what you have now what was the matter with the creek amp it was a good amp explain what The lemm does different from the creek amp ? Or would you be upgrading in 6 months lol

i had the creek for about a year and i still would have kept it had i not changed my speakers.

Tucana ii is something i wanted for a long time and even a year ago i couldn't have dreamt of buying something as expencive. Luckly a good preowned one came up from a reputable dealer and i had a bit disposeable cash so i went for it.

 

[Vladimir]

What's that supposed to mean? Does it help further the discussion or the OP?

It helps me, deeply.

hay ! Find a picture of the inside of the Abrahamsen 2up and a picture of the inside of the pm8005 let's look under hood !

Here is a gallery with pics snapped by Colin.

And here is the PM8005.

thank you Vladimir I have not got a clue how to put pictures on this site

If you buy the Abrahamsen Animesh will troll your threads out of jealousy. The Leema Tucana II has over x2 the power rating of the Abrahamsen V2.0 UP, but it has half the energy capacity in the PSU. Kind of embarassing really.

oh Vladimir you misundertand me, i am anything but 1 who trolls.

I have multiple forensic evidence of you trolling Abrahamsen threads by talking up Leema.

i don't think i have talked up leema anywhere other than when i gave my impressions on it when i first got it.

I'm just joking around. Relax.

I don't understand why this thread got everyone so frustrated. *unknw*

 

[Andrewjvt]

I have said before but will again in support of your decision to go for a abrahamsen power amp.

You can upgrade to 2 in mono block configure and have a large 250w and a masssiiivvee power supply.

If i never wanted a dac and streamet combined and was choosing an amp thats what id go for.

Inly one thing id like to warn you about and thats the bass expectation.

As in my case the bass is powerful and impactfull but but not boomy so to the untrained ear can sound a little lacking as the amp will control the bass so that its what people call dry.

 

[Andrewjvt]

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What's that supposed to mean?  Does it help further the discussion or the OP?

It helps me, deeply.

hay ! Find a picture of the inside of the Abrahamsen 2up and a picture of the inside of the pm8005 let's look under hood ! ?

Here is a gallery with pics snapped by Colin.

And here is the PM8005.?

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thank you Vladimir I have not got a clue how to put pictures on this site?

If you buy the Abrahamsen Animesh will troll your threads out of jealousy. The Leema Tucana II has over x2 the power rating of the Abrahamsen V2.0 UP,  but it has half the energy capacity in the PSU. Kind of embarassing really.?

oh Vladimir you misundertand me, i am anything but 1 who trolls.

I have multiple forensic evidence of you trolling Abrahamsen threads by talking up Leema.?

i don't think i have talked up leema anywhere other than when i gave my impressions on it when i first got it.

I'm just joking around. Relax. ?

I don't understand why this thread got everyone so frustrated. *unknw*

Its all your fault for posting cute little doggie pictures that sent everyone into a frenzy

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I actually still own one but not for long as i am in the proces of selling it at the moment.As talking about the sound quality i can only say that most likely you will not get better sound for this kind of money and further you will not even considerably beat it with an integrated amps up to 2500£ but the sound will get be diferent not better.I had a musical fidelity m6si (just sold it) and as a pure integrated (for me) abrahamsen wins.There was only one good thing in m6si (power-loads of it).

can I ask why are you selling abrahamsen 2up ? What make you want to let it go or what makes you unhappy about it please if you do not mind me asking

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I have said before but will again in support of your decision to go for a abrahamsen power amp.

You can upgrade to 2 in mono block configure and have a large 250w and a masssiiivvee power supply.

If i never wanted a dac and streamet combined and was choosing an amp thats what id go for.

Inly one thing id like to warn you about and thats the bass expectation.

As in my case the bass is powerful and impactfull but but not boomy so to the untrained ear can sound a little lacking as the amp will control the bass so that its what people call dry.

are you saying if I got the abrahamsen power amp I could run that with my pm8005 ? Though the pre outs

 

[iQ Speakers]

May I interject? He wanted more powe, 2 X V4.0 were £1800 a Nord Hypex amp £999. If it's K who visited over Christmas. He bought V3.0 pre there and then £699 replacing his new MF M6PRE £2500! Just a hunch. They had also sold there new Tannoy 6.2 and both bought used IPL speakers. I also offered to put OP in touch with guy selling his V2.0UP

 

[Andrewjvt]

I have said before but will again in support of your decision to go for a abrahamsen power amp.

You can upgrade to 2 in mono block configure and have a large 250w and a masssiiivvee power supply.

If i never wanted a dac and streamet combined and was choosing an amp thats what id go for.

Inly one thing id like to warn you about and thats the bass expectation.

As in my case the bass is powerful and impactfull but but not boomy so to the untrained ear can sound a little lacking as the amp will control the bass so that its what people call dry.

are you saying if I got the abrahamsen power amp I could run that with my pm8005 ? Though the pre outs 

Yes you can but my point is tou have loads of possibilities and upgrade paths

1. Use existing 8005 as preamp and use abe power for power amp.

2.use 8005 and abe power in bi amp so that one powers hf and other powers lf.

3. Buy 2 ane power amps and set them to mono and have true mono bi amp config (big upgrade)

4 sell 8005 and get 2 abe power amps and abe pre.

Options are endless.

Count the cost though as if you add 2 power amps/pre amp/dac/of equal quality you could afford what i have and have only one box. Ill give you example.
2x power amps at 899 pre amp at 699 and a very good dac say chord hd at 1000 pounds.

But i think im correct in remembering you already have a dac so id go abe route myself then we can all be jealous.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

As in my case the bass is powerful and impactfull but but not boomy

Hi Andrew

One of the qualities of Hegel's SoundEngine technology

Actually thinking about it Blacksabbath25 weren't you also considering Hegel amplification please?

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[Blacksabbath25]

As in my case the bass is powerful and impactfull but but not boomy

Hi Andrew

One of the qualities of Hegel's SoundEngine technology

Actually thinking about it Blacksabbath25 weren't you also considering Hegel amplification please?

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

hi yes i was but the price is a lot more then i can afford but very nice

 

[paulkebab]

with you Sabbath as the IPL's will give you something else to think about.

 

[philpot1001]

FWIW i personally also think the integrated 2UP "could" be a sideways move, yes probably a bit better - but blow the marantz away? Personally i doubt it. Give it a try and see by all means.

The real upgrade i would think would be to use the marantz as a pre and use a separate power, or mono bloc it.

 

[emperor's new clothes]

Still advise investing in an isolating rack/stand first and get the best out of your existing setup. It deserves the investment, IMHO. I am mystified why you have a recessed soundstage as mine is anything but - three dimensional and superb detail.

 

[philpot1001]

my soundstage is also superb - my system is not isolated, but is placed on a big meaty wooden TV stand (in the rack bit), so i guess its probably as good as isolated.

I would also play around with speaker positioning as i think thats probably a bigger player regarding soundstage than isolation.

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_664715932]

What's that supposed to mean? Does it help further the discussion or the OP?

It helps me, deeply.

hay ! Find a picture of the inside of the Abrahamsen 2up and a picture of the inside of the pm8005 let's look under hood !

Here is a gallery with pics snapped by Colin.

And here is the PM8005.

thank you Vladimir I have not got a clue how to put pictures on this site

If you buy the Abrahamsen Animesh will troll your threads out of jealousy. The Leema Tucana II has over x2 the power rating of the Abrahamsen V2.0 UP, but it has half the energy capacity in the PSU. Kind of embarassing really.

oh Vladimir you misundertand me, i am anything but 1 who trolls.

I have multiple forensic evidence of you trolling Abrahamsen threads by talking up Leema.

i don't think i have talked up leema anywhere other than when i gave my impressions on it when i first got it.

I'm just joking around. Relax.

I don't understand why this thread got everyone so frustrated. *unknw*

simple really, its a frustrating thread. (Should i write 'lol' to let every1 know i am only joking)

 

[winiar550]

Blacksabbath25.The only reason i am selling abrahamsen is mostly that i wanted even more power and control and a bit sharper sound (faster as well) if you know what i mean.I was interested how the hypex class d is all about-heard both configuration abrahamsen pre- plus tho power amps in mono and the abrahamsen pre with nord hypex nc500 dm with the upgraded input boards and sparcos class a opamps and i was blown away by the overal sound quality,control of bass ,details etc. while still remaining quite warm soundig.These hypex class d amps is something special even if they dont look the sound quality is the best i have heard so far.Bear in mind that the speakers we have used were helping a lot (ipl s4tl).I will still say if you preffer a sound signature closer to the valve like in solid state but not wanting to spend a fortune then abrahamsen v20up is the way to go and i dont think you will be disapointed.My advice for you will be -make a demo at Colins house (hes a real gentelman by the way) take all your equipment with you and check for yourself(you might change mind about which direction to go.I bought a hypex nord nc500 full dual mono from Colin (IQ Speakers) with the standard hypex input boards and im already impressed -but its still not the same as i heard there but not jugding at the moment as i have the standard input boards plus using an m-dac as a preamp at the moment.Will try tomorrow with an abrahamsen pre then we will see.

 

[Electro]

I have said before but will again in support of your decision to go for a abrahamsen power amp.

You can upgrade to 2 in mono block configure and have a large 250w and a masssiiivvee power supply.

If i never wanted a dac and streamet combined and was choosing an amp thats what id go for.

Inly one thing id like to warn you about and thats the bass expectation.

As in my case the bass is powerful and impactfull but but not boomy so to the untrained ear can sound a little lacking as the amp will control the bass so that its what people call dry.

are you saying if I got the abrahamsen power amp I could run that with my pm8005 ? Though the pre outs

Yes you can but my point is tou have loads of possibilities and upgrade paths

1. Use existing 8005 as preamp and use abe power for power amp.

2.use 8005 and abe power in bi amp so that one powers hf and other powers lf.

3. Buy 2 ane power amps and set them to mono and have true mono bi amp config (big upgrade)

4 sell 8005 and get 2 abe power amps and abe pre.

Options are endless.

Count the cost though as if you add 2 power amps/pre amp/dac/of equal quality you could afford what i have and have only one box. Ill give you example. 2x power amps at 899 pre amp at 699 and a very good dac say chord hd at 1000 pounds.

But i think im correct in remembering you already have a dac so id go abe route myself then we can all be jealous.

I agree with Andrewjvt *smile*

The Abrahamsen pre amp with 2x V4.0 power amps in bridged monoblock configuration for £2500 would be a massive upgrade over the Marantz and an absolute bargain in fact you will probably never feel the need to upgrade ever again, this is seriously good amplification that would stand comparison with the very best available, the combination will drive almost any speaker ever made with total control at almost any volume level from whisper quiet to rolling thunder with kilowatts of transient power in reserve!

If you don't want to do it all at once then use the Marantz as a pre amp and the V4.0 as monoblocks.

Your Marantz is a very good amp but even the V2.0 integrated would be a significant upgrade imho.

You really need to hear one of Per Abrahamsen's creations then what we are saying will all make sense.

Sorry for going a bit ott but if you try one you will understand *biggrin*

 

[gasolin]

Blacksabbath25.The only reason i am selling abrahamsen is mostly that i wanted even more power and control and a bit sharper sound (faster as well) if you know what i mean.I was interested how the hypex class d is all about-heard both configuration abrahamsen pre- plus tho power amps in mono and the abrahamsen pre with nord hypex nc500 dm with the upgraded input boards and sparcos class a opamps and i was blown away by the overal sound quality,control of bass ,details etc. while still remaining quite warm soundig.These hypex class d amps is something special even if they dont look the sound quality is the best i have heard so far.Bear in mind that the speakers we have used were helping a lot (ipl s4tl).I will still say if you preffer a sound signature closer to the valve like in solid state but not wanting to spend a fortune then abrahamsen v20up is the way to go and i dont think you will be disapointed.My advice for you will be -make a demo at Colins house (hes a real gentelman by the way) take all your equipment with you and check for yourself(you might change mind about which direction to go.I bought a hypex nord nc500 full dual mono from Colin (IQ Speakers) with the standard hypex input boards and im already impressed -but its still not the same as i heard there but not jugding at the moment as i have the standard input boards plus using an m-dac as a preamp at the moment.Will try tomorrow with an abrahamsen pre then we will see.

Almost sounds like you need som pro pa speakers (not the chep ones) with high sensitivity and a big crown amp

 

[winiar550]

Hi gasolin.Thanks for sugestion.I am using some kefs r700 at the moment (they not quite cheap either) with nord hypex nc500 dual mono so i think it should do for now.But in future -who knows....

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Blacksabbath25.The only reason i am selling abrahamsen is mostly that i wanted even more power and control and a bit sharper sound (faster as well) if you know what i mean.I was interested how the hypex class d is all about-heard both configuration abrahamsen pre- plus tho power amps in mono and the abrahamsen pre with nord hypex nc500 dm with the upgraded input boards and sparcos class a opamps and i was blown away by the overal sound quality,control of bass ,details etc. while still remaining quite warm soundig.These hypex class d amps is something special even if they dont look the sound quality is the best i have heard so far.Bear in mind that the speakers we have used were helping a lot (ipl s4tl).I will still say if you preffer a sound signature closer to the valve like in solid state but not wanting to spend a fortune then abrahamsen v20up is the way to go and i dont think you will be disapointed.My advice for you will be -make a demo at Colins house (hes a real gentelman by the way) take all your equipment with you and check for yourself(you might change mind about which direction to go.I bought a hypex nord nc500 full dual mono from Colin (IQ Speakers) with the standard hypex input boards and im already impressed -but its still not the same as i heard there but not jugding at the moment as i have the standard input boards plus using an m-dac as a preamp at the moment.Will try tomorrow with an abrahamsen pre then we will see.

Almost sounds like you need som pro pa speakers (not the chep ones) with high sensitivity and a big crown amp

my speakers are not cheap they were £1200