marantz pm8005 upgrade to abrahamsen 2up

[tonky]

Put the kettle on - milk no sugar please.

And I agree with what you said - especially take a break from the forum and listen to music for a while before coming back. I am sure he might be thinking differently.

tonky

 

[Covenanter]

I am quite glad its a broken 1. Get your refund and run as fast as u can.

here's my advise:

a) take a break from this forum for a while.

b ) buy some cds that u always wanted to buy but never got round to buying them.

c ) enjoy your system and music. More focus on music less on sound.

d ) by august/ september start researching on a dedicated pre and power amp combination.

i will put the kettle on now.

+1

Chris

 

[stevee1966]

right just got to wait for a refund on the power amp i had a chat with colin about the abrahamsen 2 up amp and he said the abrahamsen amp will knock spots off the marantz pm8005 amp so will be ordering one as soon as i get my refund sorted out

4 days ago on a different thread you said you'd been put off the idea of the Abrahamsen.

What happened ?

 

[Blacksabbath25]

right just got to wait for a refund on the power amp i had a chat with colin about the abrahamsen 2 up amp and he said the abrahamsen amp will knock spots off the marantz pm8005 amp so will be ordering one as soon as i get my refund sorted out

4 days ago on a different thread you said you'd been put off the idea of the Abrahamsen.

What happened ?

someone on here comment saying it would be a side ways step and the fact that this company is a bit unknown in the uk and would it break on me as soon as I got it I can not demo it unless I travel miles which I not going too do anyway plus I do not no what it would sound like so all this is a big gamble .

So today i phoned Colin up who sells abrahamsen amps and told him my story and mainly it's because I have this new Dali opticon 6s which I got after I got my pm8005 now I feel that I have found a set of amazing speakers which I love to bits and would never change them so now I have a quality set of speakers I want to buy a quality amp to go with them . Colin said that the abrahamsen 2up will knock the spots off my pm8005 in sound quality which is what I am after because I believe I have not herd everything this speakers are capable off yet do not get me wrong they do sound good with the marantz but my thinking is they will sound even better with the abrahamsen 2up amp . So next week I will order one and hopefully it will be the end of Hifi bug but may get the power amp that goes with the 2up but will just buy the 2up for now and see how I get on with it

 

[Andrewjvt]

A very good imo upgrade would be to have a pair of abrahamsen power amps in mono.

Youll get 250w and a real upgrade over just running one .

Then you are going to want better speakers lol.

Then maybe youll be happy or maybe a devialet 800?

Seriously id be happy with the 2 abrahamsens in mono.

This way you have a good upgrade path if you start with one amp for starters.

Oh forgot to say enjoy it and let us know how it sounds.

Id def go to iq and test all the options including the nord first though.

 

[MajorFubar]

'Tis a rocky path for sure this hifi upgraditis *biggrin* Then one day you fall for a significant-other of your preferred gender, they take one look at your pile of boxes and monolith speakers and declare "well all that's going for a start!!", and hey presto, down you go to Curry's to replace everything with Sashio iPod dock.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

A very good imo upgrade would be to have a pair of abrahamsen power amps in mono.

Youll get 250w and a real upgrade over just running one .

Then you are going to want better speakers lol.

Then maybe youll be happy or maybe a devialet 800?

Seriously id be happy with the 2 abrahamsens in mono.

This way you have a good upgrade path if you start with one amp for starters.

Oh forgot to say enjoy it and let us know how it sounds.

Id def go to iq and test all the options including the nord first though.

colin does the nord mono block amps class D + power amps . there only 2 of us on here that have this dali opticon 6 speakers on here they have only been out 4 months new from the company there is no reason for me to change them they are very good speakers the best i have ever owned pair them with a very good amp that's clear , tight bass control , big sound stage warm , detailed then i have cracked it the marantz does a good job but if i can pick more detail up with a better amp i would be happy

 

[chebby]

See if Colin can persuade you into trying out some IQ/IPL loudspeakers

 

[Blacksabbath25]

See if Colin can persuade you into trying out some IQ/IPL loudspeakers

i am happy with what i got

 

[hybridauth_Facebook_664715932]

'Tis a rocky path for sure this hifi upgraditis *biggrin* Then one day you fall for a significant-other of your preferred gender, they take one look at your pile of boxes and monolith speakers and declare "well all that's going for a start!!", and hey presto, down you go to Curry's to replace everything with Sashio iPod dock.

calm down major!

some time its fun to learn things hard way.

 

[Paulq]

See if Colin can persuade you into trying out some IQ/IPL loudspeakers

i am happy with what i got

I think you'd do well to go back and consider your real reasons for wanting to change the Marantz as others have said. It's a very capable amp in its own right and from reading your posts, and this is intended to be helpful not critical, it sounds like you may be chasing the impossible dream. I'll share with you that when I first got into hifi many years ago I wasted more time, energy and money than I care to admit chasing the 'next better component'. I'd buy one, get home and listen and instantly wish I'd spent more on the next model up. It's makes no sense financially or from any other perspective unless you have just won the lottery in which case what on earth are you doing with Marantz anyway?

Trust me - it's not worth it. The best investments I have made have been in things that I listened to, bought, and kept for a very long time and was prepare to simply live in the moment and enjoy what I have.

The Abrahamsen 'may' be better than the Marantz, it may not, but there's a technical argument and there's a suitability argument. Whichever road you take the differences are likely to be so minimal that you'll be chasing something else the day after you buy it; particularly as you appear to have that restless mindset of 'what next' that many people do.

The very best advice i can give you (FWIW) is stick with what you have - you already have a very nice system. The caveat to that is change ONLY if there is something (a ) so fundamentally and significantly wrong with it that justifies the outlay and (b) you are absolutely certain that the new product will fill that gap and you won't be back to square one the day after you get it.

There's a saying in Japanese business circles that goes 'If you chase 2 rabbits you catch none'. Look carefully at what you are chasing.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

 

[emperor's new clothes]

Hi Blacksabbath,

I was interested to see if the bi-amping made a significant difference although not convinced that the PM8005 was designed with that in mind. Agree, single wire option best as recommended by Dali.

Before splashing the cash on amps, I would invest in a stand - I use the Atacama Equinox. Isolating the cd and amp from floor-born vibrations and each other might pay dividends. Difficult to quantify, but to my ears improves the detail that you seek. Also helps keep speaker cables away from power leads.

I have found that despite the wide soundstage, small adjustments to placement can make a difference and eliminating upper bass boom and overhang again make a big difference as with any speaker.

Lastly, as previously discused, I have found that the 2013 remaster of Rumours finally delivers a comparable sound to the original vinyl. Previous releases and Best Of/Greatest Hits compilations sounding flat and lacking in bass definition. Far too many Cds sit in a cupboard unloved due to poor dynamic range.

 

[splasher]

That's the bit I'm struggling with. I'm sure the Dali's are great speakers but you seem convinced they're capable of better but are being held back by the Marantz. What has lead you to this conclusion - have you heard them with a better amp?

 

[Blacksabbath25]

'Tis a rocky path for sure this hifi upgraditis *biggrin* Then one day you fall for a significant-other of your preferred gender, they take one look at your pile of boxes and monolith speakers and declare "well all that's going for a start!!", and hey presto, down you go to Curry's to replace everything with Sashio iPod dock.

calm down major!

some time its fun to learn things hard way.

in respect of me getting the abrahamsen 2up amp you was the one who told me to not get the abrahamsen amp as you said it was a side ways step and that my marantz pm8005 was better on the abrahamsen post .

2. If I want to talk or write posts on this site then that's up to me not you ! so you have sit down and have a cup of tea and have a break

3. Before you got your self the leema Tuscan you had a creek amp what was the matter with that then ? you sure you did not make a side ways step in buying the leema amp ? Because I see no one judged you when you got your amp but it's ok for you and everyone else to judge me !

4 . I made some of my judgments on the power amp because I did not want to make a side ways step and to combine taking a risk on an amp like the abrahamsen that I have never heard of before which is the point of the forum to find out more and if any risks in buying one i felt nervous of buying the abrahamsen amp as I did not want to make a side ways step so I decided that I would play safe and keep 8005 and bi amp with it so that is why I got the power amp but that's wrong too with you and everyone one on here so I got my refund and now everyone should be happy I will be buying the abrahamsen 2up amp which I was going to do in the first place before you said it was a side ways step .

5 . I am not some spotted little kid in his bedroom playing with his Hifi if I want to buy 10 amps this year that's down to me and not anyone else on here .

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Hi Blacksabbath,

I was interested to see if the bi-amping made a significant difference although not convinced that the PM8005 was designed with that in mind. Agree, single wire option best as recommended by Dali.

Before splashing the cash on amps, I would invest in a stand - I use the Atacama Equinox. Isolating the cd and amp from floor-born vibrations and each other might pay dividends. Difficult to quantify, but to my ears improves the detail that you seek. Also helps keep speaker cables away from power leads.

I have found that despite the wide soundstage, small adjustments to placement can make a difference and eliminating upper bass boom and overhang again make a big difference as with any speaker.

Lastly, as previously discused, I have found that the 2013 remaster of Rumours finally delivers a comparable sound to the original vinyl. Previous releases and Best Of/Greatest Hits compilations sounding flat and lacking in bass definition. Far too many Cds sit in a cupboard unloved due to poor dynamic range.

you are the only person on here who has the same speakers as me can you explain why I want to buy a better amplifier for what this speakers deserve please because everyone thinks I am nuts

 

[gasolin]

Might not be fair but try taking a cd to a store that has the opticon 6 and try it with a ridiculous expensive amp

notice any difference, if so is worth the money spending mabye 3-5000£ on a better amp? Don't forget that if you want something better it's gonna cost you alot more if it's a new amp, used it might not cost so much and don't forget that it can also matter if the amp has 100watt or 200watt, if you get a much more power full amp you won't be tempted to buy a different amp with more power

If you just want a more powerfull amp buy a pa amp like sometthing from crown

 

[Blacksabbath25]

'Tis a rocky path for sure this hifi upgraditis *biggrin* Then one day you fall for a significant-other of your preferred gender, they take one look at your pile of boxes and monolith speakers and declare "well all that's going for a start!!", and hey presto, down you go to Curry's to replace everything with Sashio iPod dock.

calm down major!

some time its fun to learn things hard way.

Think you read something in my post that wasn't there. It was meant to be humorous not a rant.

no it was not on this post but i am pissed off

 

[MajorFubar]

'Tis a rocky path for sure this hifi upgraditis *biggrin* Then one day you fall for a significant-other of your preferred gender, they take one look at your pile of boxes and monolith speakers and declare "well all that's going for a start!!", and hey presto, down you go to Curry's to replace everything with Sashio iPod dock.

calm down major!

some time its fun to learn things hard way.

Think you read something in my post that wasn't there. It was meant to be humorous not a rant. Just a playful dig at gender stereotypes. With all due respect maybe that kind of humour doesn't translate well across language barriers 🙂

 

[MajorFubar]

'Tis a rocky path for sure this hifi upgraditis *biggrin* Then one day you fall for a significant-other of your preferred gender, they take one look at your pile of boxes and monolith speakers and declare "well all that's going for a start!!", and hey presto, down you go to Curry's to replace everything with Sashio iPod dock.

calm down major!

some time its fun to learn things hard way.

Think you read something in my post that wasn't there. It was meant to be humorous not a rant.

no it was not on this post but i am pissed off

Yeah I know mate, it was directed to Animesh..perhaps that kind of humour doesn't translate well when English is not your native language. Actually I couldn't be more looking forward to your feedback on the Abrahamsen. I'm sure you'll love it.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

'Tis a rocky path for sure this hifi upgraditis *biggrin* Then one day you fall for a significant-other of your preferred gender, they take one look at your pile of boxes and monolith speakers and declare "well all that's going for a start!!", and hey presto, down you go to Curry's to replace everything with Sashio iPod dock.

calm down major!

some time its fun to learn things hard way.

Think you read something in my post that wasn't there. It was meant to be humorous not a rant.

no it was not on this post but i am pissed off

Yeah I know mate, it was directed to Animesh..perhaps that kind of humour doesn't translate well when English is not your native language. Actually I couldn't be more looking forward to your feedback on the Abrahamsen. I'm sure you'll love it.

i hope so i really do and hopful to put a stop to the upgrades too

 

[MajorFubar]

Upgrading is cool, though wallet-emptying. The only thing not cool is randomly throwing money around hoping to fix a problem. That always ends up being more expensive than being more level-headed about it 🙂 Feel free to quote me as an example of how to do it wrongly. I've got a system I'm very happy with, it's the best sounding system I've ever owned, but to get here, over a period of about 27/28 years I've probably spent ten times the cost of the system's RRPs when new. My pathway to here is littered with sidways moves, dubious purchases and probably a few backward steps if I'm being honest with myself.

 

[MajorFubar]

i do try to do things level headed but some somtimes your heart rules your head .

Tell me about it. Been there got the T-shirt. But unlike you, in my day there wasn't a cantakerous old busy-body on an internet forum called MajorFubar, telling me I'm being a blithering idiot and trying to stop me from spending my money unwisely :-D

 

[matt49]

One thing I've learnt (don't know why it took me so long, cos it's bleeding obvious really) is that as soon as you open the box of your shiny new component, you're throwing about a third of its cost down the drain.

So making mistakes buying new kit is very expensive.

That's why most of the stuff I've bought has been second hand: that way I can afford to make a mistake or three.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Upgrading is cool, though wallet-emptying. The only thing not cool is randomly throwing money around hoping to fix a problem. That always ends up being more expensive than being more level-headed about it 🙂 Feel free to quote me as an example of how not to do it. I've got a system I'm very happy with, it's the best sounding system I've ever owned, but to get here, over a period of about 27/28 years I've probably spent ten times the cost of the system's RRPs when new. My pathway to here is littered with sidways moves, dubious purchases and probably a few backward steps if I'm being honest with myself.

the thing is we all make them i am just trying to sort mine out its painful when you thought you got it right the first time i do try to do things level headed but some sometimes your heart rules your head . i have someone lined up for my old setup so will get money back and its not like i did not get any enjoy out of it all . one rule i follow is never buy anything on the never never i always save up for this things so its an even hard hit when you get it wrong

 

[Blacksabbath25]

i do try to do things level headed but some somtimes your heart rules your head .

Tell me about it. Been there got the T-shirt. But unlike you, in my day there wasn't a cantakerous old busy-body on an internet forum called MajorFubar, telling me I'm being a blithering idiot and trying to stop me from spending my money unwisely :-D

its ok i am getting a grumpy old sod myself PMT