High End Sub: JL Audio Fathom F113

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Hi guys, I'm new to the forum but I've been with What Hi-Fi for about 10 years now.
I've done maybe about a dozen systems (stereo and HT, for myself, friends, and family) but mostly in the lower to mid range budget.
I am now planning my dedicated home cinema room and I am very tempted to go over budget and order the Jl Audio Fathom F113 subwoofer.

It is not yet reviewed in What Hi-Fi and to my understanding it is an American sub, so I wonder if anybody here has any experience with it. According to American magezines it is "the subwoofer of the gods" but then it kinda sounds to good to be true.
I can buy it here in Jakarta for USD 3,300. Should I go for it? I doubt I can listen to it first though.

For some background info I've tried the various Wharfedale subs, the Quad L sub, and the wonderful B&W PV1.

Any comments would be very much appreciated! Thank you.

zinger.
 

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I was looking at JL as well. I emailed the UK distributor asking where I can get a demo and got a reply that teh home range has no UK distribution...
 

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I didn't even know JL did anything other than in-car.

I'd be wary of buying anything that pricey without having a listen first. You call the PV1 "wonderful", and I'm inclined to agree, but I was puzzled as to why you don't deem it wonderful enough to buy it?
 

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Big Chris:
I didn't even know JL did anything other than in-car.

I'd be wary of buying anything that pricey without having a listen first. You call the PV1 "wonderful", and I'm inclined to agree, but I was puzzled as to why you don't deem it wonderful enough to buy it?

I think he means that he has had those subs (PV1 included). The more important question is what speakers does he have? A $3k sub with sats? No chance!
 
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Big Chris:

I didn't even know JL did anything other than in-car.

I'd be wary of buying anything that pricey without having a listen first. You call the PV1 "wonderful", and I'm inclined to agree, but I was puzzled as to why you don't deem it wonderful enough to buy it?

As a previous PV1 owner I woulld suggest that yes it is good , beutifully designed but wayyy overpriced

PV1 would be fine in a small room but a 8" driver is too small for decent room shaking bass

I have seen reviews on the fathom , even considered it but could not find a supplier in the UK

Would totally agree you need a demo before buying
 

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lesmor:Big Chris:

I didn't even know JL did anything other than in-car.

I'd be wary of buying anything that pricey without having a listen to it?

PV1 would be fine in a small room but a 8" driver is too small for decent room shaking bass.

Mine has two 8" drivers.
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Big Chris:lesmor:Big Chris:

I didn't even know JL did anything other than in-car.

I'd be wary of buying anything that pricey without having a listen to it?

PV1 would be fine in a small room but a 8" driver is too small for decent room shaking bass.

Mine has two 8" drivers.
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Mine has 2 x 12" drivers ,so there
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Point taken Chris the PV1 does indeed have 2x 8" back to back discs
 
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Big Chris:lesmor:Big Chris:

I didn't even know JL did anything other than in-car.

I'd be wary of buying anything that pricey without having a listen to it?

PV1 would be fine in a small room but a 8" driver is too small for decent room shaking bass.

Mine has two 8" drivers.
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Mine has 2 x 12" drivers ,so there
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Point taken Chris the PV1 does indeed have 2x 8" back to back discs , well corrected
 
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Awesome sub save for the price tag. I have JLs equivalent Car Audio sub in my daily driver (JL w7 series) and it is insane. Go for it if ur budget allows.
 

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I had a 12W6 a fair few years ago. Too much low stuff and not enough punch for me., so I sold it to a mate. He then bought another 12W6. Both running from his Hifonics mono amp (can't remember the model, but it was about 2 foot long). All voice coils connected in parallel so it was running at 1 ohm. Christ it was LOUD!!!

Only car I've ever been in where the bass actually made me feel sick. I guess it was playing havoc with my inner ear, it felt like being on a boat in a force 10 gale.
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I'd be worried that this home JL would have similar traits. All sub and no punch.
 
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Thanks for all the comments guys.
Yes, I do have the PV1 on my main system now (with the Focal 1007Be as the front stereo pair, with the Marantz SA / PM 11 series). The PV1 is super clean and very musical and an unbelievable upgrade from my Wharfedale and Quad subs (especially when I got my new PV1 at only USD 1,000 a few years ago) but for my dedicated home cinema room I want more bass "oomph".ÿ

The Jl F113 will be paired with a (hopefully) 9 channel Focal 800V series. I have some experience with the Focal 816V and 806V (researched and ordered a few stereo and HT systems for my friends based on these speakers) and I think they're great! I personally find them as satisfying as the B&W 7 series (I also still have the 705), although frankly the Focal 800V series is not as refined as the B&W 7 series, especially for music. But hey the Focals are cheaper!

I know that the Focal 800V series might be a bit too "mid-end" for my future JL sub, but since I'll be buying a lot of speakers for my HT, I can't stretch my budget into any higher end speakers, will just splurge on the sub instead (since I'll listen to my music on my Focal Be stereo anyway).

So since nobody has tried these JL subs so far, any other high-end subs to recommend?ÿ

Thanks!

p.s. If anybody is interested in discussing more of the Focal, B&W, Wharfedale, Quad, Marantz, and Denon systems that I've tried so far I'll be very happy to give my two cents.

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zinger79:

Thanks for all the comments guys. Yes, I do have the PV1 on my main system now (with the Focal 1007Be as the front stereo pair, with the Marantz SA / PM 11 series). The PV1 is super clean and very musical and an unbelievable upgrade from my Wharfedale and Quad subs (especially when I got my new PV1 at only USD 1,000 a few years ago) but for my dedicated home cinema room I want more bass "oomph".

The Jl F113 will be paired with a (hopefully) 9 channel Focal 800V series. I have some experience with the Focal 816V and 806V (researched and ordered a few stereo and HT systems for my friends based on these speakers) and I think they're great! I personally find them as satisfying as the B&W 7 series (I also still have the 705), although frankly the Focal 800V series is not as refined as the B&W 7 series, especially for music. But hey the Focals are cheaper!

I know that the Focal 800V series might be a bit too "mid-end" for my future JL sub, but since I'll be buying a lot of speakers for my HT, I can't stretch my budget into any higher end speakers, will just splurge on the sub instead (since I'll listen to my music on my Focal Be stereo anyway).

So since nobody has tried these JL subs so far, any other high-end subs to recommend?

Thanks!

p.s. If anybody is interested in discussing more of the Focal, B&W, Wharfedale, Quad, Marantz, and Denon systems that I've tried so far I'll be very happy to give my two cents.

zinger.

Have a look at a SVS PB13

Or M&K-350

As you have a large budget

Buy two subs and pair with an Audessey Sub EQ or a single sub with the same Audessey box or cheaper alternative an Antimode
 
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Lesmor, thank you for the suggestions! You may have just saved me some money (I doubt I'll get a pair of subs, I think one should do).

I have just sent an email to SVSound regarding shipping their PB13 to Indonesia. Frankly this one looks more "convincing" than the M&K as the M&K sub is also already 10 years old.

Now is there anybody else out there who has tried the SVS PB13?ÿ

Any chance anybody knows if the JL F113 is worth the premium over the SVS? Thanks.

zinger
 
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zinger79:

Lesmor, thank you for the suggestions! You may have just saved me some money (I doubt I'll get a pair of subs, I think one should do).

I have just sent an email to SVSound regarding shipping their PB13 to Indonesia. Frankly this one looks more "convincing" than the M&K as the M&K sub is also already 10 years old.

Now is there anybody else out there who has tried the SVS PB13?

Any chance anybody knows if the JL F113 is worth the premium over the SVS? Thanks.

zinger

Chek out the other forum which I am not allowed to mention , youll find plenty on the SVS their plus some pics

Also check you tube there are some videos of the PB13 in action

Glad if I have been some help
 

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zinger79:I have just sent an email to SVSound regarding shipping their PB13 to Indonesia. Frankly this one looks more "convincing" than the M&K as the M&K sub is also already 10 years old.

The MX350 has been out around 10 years, but there has now been 4 upgrades to this subwoofer.The bass drivers have been exchanged for 'Super Fast' ones, and the current version uses a BASH digital amplifier. I wouldn't rule it out based on the age of the original.

After all, what has changed in subwoofer design in 20 years?
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zinger79:

Lesmor, thank you for the suggestions! You may have just saved me some money (I doubt I'll get a pair of subs, I think one should do).

I have just sent an email to SVSound regarding shipping their PB13 to Indonesia. Frankly this one looks more "convincing" than the M&K as the M&K sub is also already 10 years old.

Now is there anybody else out there who has tried the SVS PB13?

Any chance anybody knows if the JL F113 is worth the premium over the SVS? Thanks.

zinger

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Hi zinger79

one person on this forum that i know who uses the JL Audio Fathom is THE_FORCE.

He has two of these sub set up in his system.

He should be able to advise.
 
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Great, thanks Ben! I'll figure out a way to contact this Jedi master THE_FORCE.

Man,ÿtheÿmore Iÿresearch about the Fathoms (fromÿthe 110ÿto the 113)ÿtheÿmore Iÿcan'tÿwait for myÿhomeÿcinemaÿtoÿgetÿfinishedÿso I can tryÿthemÿon.ÿ

Regarding the SVS PB13, I'll be demoing them this weekend in Singapore (hopefully). I still cannotÿfindÿaÿdealer for the MX350 hereÿin Jakarta though.

Thanks for the suggestions guys.
 
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zinger79:
Great, thanks Ben! I'll figure out a way to contact this Jedi master THE_FORCE.

Man, the more I research about the Fathoms (from the 110 to the 113) the more I can't wait for my home cinema to get finished so I can try them on.

Regarding the SVS PB13, I'll be demoing them this weekend in Singapore (hopefully). I still cannot find a dealer for the MX350 here in Jakarta though.

Thanks for the suggestions guys.
Zinger Feedback your decision , always good to know how people get on
 

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Hi John

It partly depends on the system it's being used with. The Dali Euphonia sub is a cracker, as is the KEF Reference 208 and especially 209. I haven't heard a JL, but if they did get a UK distributor, we'd be interested in stocking them.
 
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Ok guys, I've done myÿhomework and I'm here to share the results. I've demoed all the subs (in severalÿplacesÿin Singapore and Jakarta), here are my take:

1. The B&W PV1 is a great great little sub. I've owned it for over 5 years and I still highly recommend it to all my friends. For the money, you get a very pretty little sphere (not those ugly big boxes), with very deep, very clean and musical bass. I won't even talk about theÿgreat build quality and technical strong points of this sub (let's justÿsay it survived my dog peeing inside it's metal drivers,ÿalthough it is a small dog mind you). The "spouse acceptability index" on this little baby is through the roof! Unless you're a hardcore bass fiend or you have a dedicated home cinema room, the PV1 is all you need. And no it is not too big for small rooms.

2. The SVS PB13 kicks @rse indeed (am I allowed to write like this here? hehe). Thank you Lesmor for suggesting this sub. In terms of scale and depth my old B&W PV1 is not even comparable. Do note that the SVS isÿone massive black box! But still not as massive as its brother the cylindrical PB13 Ultra (the size of a small fridge). Yes, the PV1 is less than one third the size andÿsomewhat cheaper (roughlyÿUSD 1,700 VSÿUSD 2,500 retail in Singapore),ÿbutÿfor home cinema purposes in a larger room, it reallyÿdoesn'tÿcompare. But Iÿdo stress that the PB13 isÿone fat ugly box,ÿso Iÿcan't imagine putting itÿinÿa domestic environment unless itÿdoubles asÿa coffee table haha. I believe in the US the price for the PB13 is much cheaper, significantly closer to the PV1.

3. The Jl Audio Fathom F113 kicks @rse even more!!! This is exactly the kind of lung rattling sub that I've been looking for hehe. It is deep and slammy (pardon my descriptions) and yet still very clean and musical (not unlike myÿnimble little PV1). Compared to the Fathom, the great SVS felt a bit bloated and clumsy. And in my opinion, this is the nicer looking big fat black box of the two. The Fathom also has a great build quality and finish that oozes class. It's also not as massive as the SVS. It's selling here for USD 3,300 (slightly cheaper than the US list price).

4. Sitting next to the F113 was the legendaryÿflagship Gotham 213ÿso Iÿdid what any ofÿyouÿwould'veÿdone. I wasted another half anÿhour of theÿdealer'sÿtime and have myÿsocks blown away by this hugeÿbut beautifulÿbeast. It performs like what two F113'sÿwithÿbetter electronicsÿwould perform. No words can properlyÿdescribe it,ÿtheÿclosest Iÿcanÿthink of isÿindeed "blow myÿsocks off" (and the gain was set atÿonlyÿoneÿthird!!!). Iÿplayed around with the settings and I really can't turn any of theÿdials pass 12 oÿclock. ButÿUSD 8,000 ++ for a sub is definately notÿfor me hehe.

5. If anyone's looking for a more economical alternative (USD 600 level or less), I've tried these subs with an order of preference as follows:
- Quad L sub (best all round for value, music, movies, looks),
- Velodyne CHT 15 (strictly for movies in larger rooms, it does rattle your windows satisfactorily),
- Wharfedale SW 250 (much deeper than it's little brother, still musical, and nice looking curved sides, if you're on a budget I strongly suggest you stretch it to this),
- Velodyne CHT 12, and
- Wharfedale SW 150 (bestÿbudget sub)
- all the low-end wimpy Yamaha / Sony / Bose subs I listened to are rubbish (sorry).

That is all, I am definately booking the F113 for my new home cinema and I am now even considering the F110 (instead of another PV1) to pair with my future stereo upgrade, which will be the Martin Logan Vista, the Oddyssey Pathos power amp, and an undecided pre-amp and undecided CD player / digital source.
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I hope my ramblings were at least coherent and perhaps even helpful. Pleaseÿdisregardÿany offensive orÿtechnicallyÿinaccurateÿcomments, cheers.
 
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I think that you can get the Fathom in the UK through Soundoctor .
 
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Thanks for the feedback Zinger , good that you found a Fathom to demo as I believe that was your initial problem hence the SVS suggestion as an alternative.

I agree with your findings on the PV1 , and would suggest it is perfect for a small room and wife friendly, still think its overpriced though
 
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Yeah, I guess at its current list price the PV1 is indeed quite expensive. I got mine last time at less than a thousand bucks (US). This is when the Quad L sub was still new and expensive here (about 750 bucks) and B&W was less well known in this part of the world.ÿ

But at the current USD 1,600 level I'd still recommend it over Focal's 800V series sub (same price), which is quite pretty, perform well enough, but lacks the oomph and finesse of the B&W (I mention the Focal now because I like their products in general, from their entry level 700V series to the Beryllium series, for both home audio and car audio).

But then again I would think that there's plenty of competition from REL at that price level, which I don't have experience in.ÿ

Ah well, it seems that my times of buying audio equipment at 40% discounts are over. My poor starved wallet...
 
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Hi Zinger79,

I am also looking for a sub and am interested in the smaller JL Audio 112 or even the 110. It will be used in my hifi system, not for home theatre.

Where did you listen to the JL Audio sub in Singapore? I could not find the name of the distributor on their website.

Thanks.
 

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