For the love of God!

Gazzip

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Can we stop talking about cables on here!

A lot of the guys and gals on this forum will already know this, but cables, amps, CD players and DAC's - None of them make a great deal of difference to sound quality. So why oh why is there such an obsession with the "lies" that cable manufacturers/lovers tell?

Amps - They amplify an electrical signal and that is all they do. As long as there is enough bang to drive their partnered loudspeaker's buck, and the basics have been executed correctly by the amp manufacture, then the signal will be amplified truthfully.

CD Player - Transports are pretty much ubiquitous and the same units are used by most manufacturers from £100 to £5000. How can that be?! All it does is extract the info and that job is done by the ubiquitous transport which cost £20. Where is the extra value?

The DAC chip has reached a level of performance well beyond that required for audio decoding. 24bit/192K DAC's cost less than £10 each yet "high end" manufacturers using these very same chips will charge you many £1000's for owning one. Sounds just like buying a £10 cable for £1000's to me!

So why do we spend so much on so little? We do it because we want to, because we can, and because we don't want to believe that the above is true. Unfortunately it is true so let's drop the cable hang up shall we?

Loudspeakers are the ONLY thing worth going up the chain for. They DO make a real difference. Oh, and turntables as well. Mustn't forget them.
 

Alec

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Good stuff, this thread is bound to have the desired effect. But then, I wonder if I understand the desired effect correctly...
 

Gazzip

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Alec said:
Good stuff, this thread is bound to have the desired effect. But then, I wonder if I understand the desired effect correctly...

the desired effect is to stop the cable threads. There are lots of informed people on this forum who, when I joined a few years ago, were dedicated to helping people sort out problems, match systems, (I didn't say that components don't have a house sound), and offer generally good advice. Now the same people are engaged in this war of attrition over a pointless topic.
 

Alec

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Gazzip said:
Alec said:
Good stuff, this thread is bound to have the desired effect. But then, I wonder if I understand the desired effect correctly...

the desired effect is to stop the cable threads. There are lots of informed people on this forum who, when I joined a few years ago, were dedicated to helping people sort out problems, match systems, (I didn't say that components don't have a house sound), and offer generally good advice. Now the same people are engaged in this war of attrition over a pointless topic.

Couldn't agree more, but threads appealing for change will prove futile.
 

steve_1979

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Gazzip said:
Can we stop talking about cables on here!

A lot of the guys and gals on this forum will already know this, but cables, amps, CD players and DAC's - None of them make a great deal of difference to sound quality. So why oh why is there such an obsession with the "lies" that cable manufacturers/lovers tell?

Amps - They amplify an electrical signal and that is all they do. As long as there is enough bang to drive their partnered loudspeaker's buck, and the basics have been executed correctly by the amp manufacture, then the signal will be amplified truthfully.

CD Player - Transports are pretty much ubiquitous and the same units are used by most manufacturers from £100 to £5000. How can that be?! All it does is extract the info and that job is done by the ubiquitous transport which cost £20. Where is the extra value?

The DAC chip has reached a level of performance well beyond that required for audio decoding. 24bit/192K DAC's cost less than £10 each yet "high end" manufacturers using these very same chips will charge you many £1000's for owning one. Sounds just like buying a £10 cable for £1000's to me!

So why do we spend so much on so little? We do it because we want to, because we can, and because we don't want to believe that the above is true. Unfortunately it is true so let's drop the cable hang up shall we?

Loudspeakers are the ONLY thing worth going up the chain for. They DO make a real difference. Oh, and turntables as well. Mustn't forget them.

Good post. :clap:
 

BenLaw

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Gazzip said:
Alec said:
Good stuff, this thread is bound to have the desired effect. But then, I wonder if I understand the desired effect correctly...

the desired effect is to stop the cable threads. There are lots of informed people on this forum who, when I joined a few years ago, were dedicated to helping people sort out problems, match systems, (I didn't say that components don't have a house sound), and offer generally good advice. Now the same people are engaged in this war of attrition over a pointless topic.

Really, who?
 

lindsayt

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Hi-fi Pareto.

In a digital system, 80% of the sound quality, or lack of it, in a given room is down to the speakers. The other 20% is down to the source, amp and cables.

On hi-fi forums, 80% of what's written, is about the cables, source, amps and other non-speaker related things, such as mickey-taking banter.
 

Keirik

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Brilliant post!

Do you mind if I paraphrase?

"I've decided I know best, can people stop disagreeing with me by posting stuff I disagree with"

Yep, that'll defintely work

I think you'll find this is a forum so people can more or less post what they want, whether you agree or not
 

Freddy58

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Keirik said:
Brilliant post!

Do you mind if I paraphrase?

"I've decided I know best, can people stop disagreeing with me by posting stuff I disagree with"

Yep, that'll defintely work

I think you'll find this is a forum so people can more or less post what they want, whether you agree or not

Quite right, and I'll be posting what I like ;)
 

Gazzip

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Keirik said:
Brilliant post!

Do you mind if I paraphrase?

"I've decided I know best, can people stop disagreeing with me by posting stuff I disagree with"

Yep, that'll defintely work

I think you'll find this is a forum so people can more or less post what they want, whether you agree or not

That's not what I said at all?
 

MrReaper182

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No. It is a free country and as a free country I'll post what I like and if you don't like well you don't have to read or responsed to the post. Amplifiers do make a difference when paired with the right speakers and good CD players can make a slight difference. If you don't like what people are talking about on here then close the post in your tab and read something you do like, It is what I do. If people want to have cable debates that is their right (and no I do not read them). Stop telling people what they can and can not post on here.
 

Gazzip

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MrReaper182 said:
No. It is a free country and as a free country I'll post what I like and if you don't like well you don't have to read or responsed to the post. Amplifiers do make a difference when paired with the right speakers and good CD players can make a slight difference. If you don't like what people are talking about on here then close the post in your tab and read something you do like, It is what I do. If people want to have cable debates that is their right (and no I do not read them). Stop telling people what they can and can not post on here.

crikey, I'm off! You guys are welcome to your little troll pit.
 

matthewpiano

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Gazzip, if you really believe what you have written why have you spent a small fortune on Bryston equipment and why on earth have you got expensive Nordost and Clearaudio cables?

I'm not having a go, but I do need some help understanding this.
 

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