For the love of God!

[Broner]

Leave cable lovers alone!!!

now i know what we are talking about!

Cables, it's her name, right?

You're such an enabler

 

[manicm]

I agree with Matthewpiano, the OP creates a huff and puff over nothing, and yet he has Bryston seperates and Nordost and Clearaudio cables and now wants to preach here. Animal Farm anyone?

And since this is a forum from a Hifi magazine, it is EVERYONE's right to write if they think amps/cables or whatever really that they think makes a difference.

This thread is trolling and no more than that.

 

[TrevC]

The Clearaudio Cable was targeted at bass suppression and consequentially bringing some high end back to my system following the introduction of valves to my pre-amp stage.

So cables make a difference? Your witness, Mr TrevC...

A speaker cable with high series resistance will cause the response to slightly track the speaker resonances, thus peaking at the high impedance portions of the loudspeaker response curve. This will change the sound. In order to avoid any chance of this undesirable occurrence speaker cables should be low resistance, or series impedance if you prefer.

IOW use thick ones chuck!

 

[Electro]

Can we stop talking about cables on here!

A lot of the guys and gals on this forum will already know this, but cables, amps, CD players and DAC's - None of them make a great deal of difference to sound quality. So why oh why is there such an obsession with the "lies" that cable manufacturers/lovers tell?

Amps - They amplify an electrical signal and that is all they do. As long as there is enough bang to drive their partnered loudspeaker's buck, and the basics have been executed correctly by the amp manufacture, then the signal will be amplified truthfully.

CD Player - Transports are pretty much ubiquitous and the same units are used by most manufacturers from £100 to £5000. How can that be?! All it does is extract the info and that job is done by the ubiquitous transport which cost £20. Where is the extra value?

The DAC chip has reached a level of performance well beyond that required for audio decoding. 24bit/192K DAC's cost less than £10 each yet "high end" manufacturers using these very same chips will charge you many £1000's for owning one. Sounds just like buying a £10 cable for £1000's to me!

So why do we spend so much on so little? We do it because we want to, because we can, and because we don't want to believe that the above is true. Unfortunately it is true so let's drop the cable hang up shall we?

Loudspeakers are the ONLY thing worth going up the chain for. They DO make a real difference. Oh, and turntables as well. Mustn't forget them.

You have a fantastic HiFi system , so forget all the cables and do things make a difference rubbish, log out of the What HiFi forum and listen to some music .

That way all your problems will disappear :rockout:

It works for me .

 

[Hi-FiOutlaw]

Leave cable lovers alone!!!

now i know what we are talking about!

Cables, it's her name, right?

You're such an enabler

She can't stand it any more, look at her face!

"For the love of God" let "Cables" alone!!!

 

[chebby]

IOW use thick ones chuck!

What's the Isle of Wight got to do with it?

 

[Gazzip]

Hifi components are predominantly made up of inexpensive standard electronic parts which can be purchased off the shelf. A CD player for example is just a bunch of OEM parts joined together and sold for an often over-inflated price.The majority of the cost in a hifi component can only therefore be the circuit board and the pretty metal box which holds all of the bits together. Oh yeah, and the marketing department's favorite, the "R&D" of said product.

Hang on a minute..... Isn't a circuit board an efficient and neat alternative to using a bunch of cables to join fairly standard components together?

A bunch of fairly standard cables in a pretty box sold for a high price where the majority of that cost is attributed to the R&D? Sounds familiar no?

 

[Electro]

Hifi components are predominantly made up of inexpensive standard electronic parts which can be purchased off the shelf. A CD player for example is just a bunch of OEM parts joined together and sold for an often over-inflated price.The majority of the cost in a hifi component can only therefore be the circuit board and the pretty metal box which holds all of the bits together. Oh yeah, and the marketing department's favorite, the "R&D" of said product.

Hang on a minute..... Isn't a circuit board an efficient and neat alternative to using a bunch of cables to join fairly standard components together?

A bunch of fairly standard cables in a pretty box sold for a high price where the majority of that cost is attributed to the R&D? Sounds familiar no?

Have you ever considered a different hobby ? I if music and HiFi is not giving you the pleasure you want then maybe try something different .

I recommend fishing it's very relaxing and you get some peace and quiet

 

[Gazzip]

Have you ever considered a different hobby ? I if music and HiFi is not giving you the pleasure you want then maybe try something different .

I recommend fishing it's very relaxing and you get some peace and quiet

It is giving me masses of pleasure. I love my hifi. I think it makes my music sound awesome and it will soon sound even better when the MB2SE's have arrived.

I was trying to make a point with this post about the futility of arguing over why cables do or don't malhe a difference. Those arguments can be turned for or against any other item in the hifi chain. The point has been lost or the point has failed . Either way I wish I know how to lock this frickin' post.

 

[manicm]

Either way I wish I know how to lock this frickin' post.

:clap: - you shouldn't have started it in the first place. JD....

 

[Gazzip]

Either way I wish I know how to lock this frickin' post.

:clap: - you shouldn't have started it in the first place. JD....

You are right.

 

[Vladimir]

Aside from THD and SPL there is no difference in sound quality between speakers.

And frequency response between 20hz and 20khz - which varies enormously between different speakers when compared to the frequency response differences of digital sources, amp and cables.

And dispersion varies significantly between speakers.

Which therefore leads onto differing room interactions.

And there's efficiency / impedance / capacitance / inductance differences, leading to how different amplifiers deal with different speaker loads.

And there's differences in how speakers deal with transients at different frequencies, either suppressing the transient for a subjective lack of dynamics or extending the transient for transient bloom.

Let's also not forget that THD, especially at bass frequencies at higher volumes will be several times higher in most speakers than from the source, non-clipping amp, cables combined.

Totaly inaudible and irelevant after your fifth guinness.

It makes everything more musical, just look at that logo.

 

[CnoEvil]

Question; What's the next best thing to arguing about cables?

Answer: Arguing about, arguing about cables. :doh:

 

[Broner]

Question; What's the next best thing to arguing about cables?

Answer: Arguing about, arguing about cables. :doh:

Who doesn't like to be a bit meta?

 

[CnoEvil]

Question; What's the next best thing to arguing about cables?

Answer: Arguing about, arguing about cables. :doh:

Who doesn't like to be a bit meta?

That would certainly seem to be the case.

 

[Al ears]

IOW use thick ones chuck!

What's the Isle of Wight got to do with it?

I am led to believe that at certain times of the year you can hear some live music there.

Wonder what sort of cables they use....

 

[jjbomber]

There was a young fellow called Abel

Who couldn't afford decent cable

So he went to Rick's shop

Where it's two pounds a pop

His system now breaths through its navel. :cheer:

Then in walked his wife Mable

Listening as best she was able

She said Poundland's the place

For rhythm, timing and pace

And slammed one down on the table.

 

[Gazzip]

There was a young fellow called Abel

Who couldn't afford decent cable

So he went to Rick's shop

Where it's two pounds a pop

His system now breaths through its navel. :cheer:

Then in walked his wife Mable

Listening as best she was able

She said Poundland's the place

For rhythm, timing and pace

And slammed one down on the table.

The moral to take from this fable

Is that those who buy wires are un-stable

Loudspeakers add good sound

And best bang for your pound

And probably cost less than a cable

 

[matt49]

There was a young fellow called Abel

Who couldn't afford decent cable

So he went to Rick's shop

Where it's two pounds a pop

His system now breaths through its navel. :cheer:

Then in walked his wife Mable

Listening as best she was able

She said Poundland's the place

For rhythm, timing and pace

And slammed one down on the table.

An inquisitive man named McGuire

Made cables from two kinds of wire.

He did a blind test

And said “silver sounds best”.

But everyone called him a liar.

 

[Vladimir]

What one guy found inside his 16,000 dollar amp...

http://www.head-fi.org/t/333677/where-is-singlepower-where-is-mikhail/1065

Less "trust your ears" and more "trust whats between your ears" will do us all good in the long run. Of course people who are on the take in these scam hi-end cottage industries will do everything to let us think otherwise.

Discuss.

 

[Tear Drop]

What one guy found inside his 16,000 dollar amp...

http://www.head-fi.org/t/333677/where-is-singlepower-where-is-mikhail/1065

Less "trust your ears" and more "trust whats between your ears" will do us all good in the long run. Of course people who are on the take in these scam hi-end cottage industries will do everything to let us think otherwise.

Discuss.

Do forums about kitchen appliances or power tools have these discussions? Hmm...

 

[Vladimir]

Do forums about kitchen appliances or power tools have these discussions? Hmm...

First one uses olive oil and the other machine oil. We use snake oil.

 

[Richard Allen]

On a more serious note, can I ask a question please.

Why is this thread still running??. :doh:

 

[Gazzip]

On a more serious note, can I ask a question please.

Why is this thread still running??. :doh:

Catchy title I reckon.

 

[CnoEvil]

An inquisitive man named McGuire

Made cables from two kinds of wire.

He did a blind test

And said “silver sounds best”.

But everyone called him a liar.

Good work chaps, but Matt wins by a nose.