cables and the foo fighters brigade ...

[Alec]

direct correlation between a persons IQ and their bank balence? I don't think so.

My bank balance is almost always less than my IQ, I've found.

Blimey. I can do you a loan at a very reasnable rate.

Sorry.

 

[CnoEvil]

Blimey. I can do you a loan at a very reasnable rate.

I can't; as my bank balance now matches my IQ, due to buying cables (which seems to have lowered both!) :doh:

 

[BenLaw]

direct correlation between a persons IQ and their bank balence? I don't think so.

My bank balance is almost always less than my IQ, I've found.

That's what comes of having a millionaire IQ though.

 

[John Duncan]

direct correlation between a persons IQ and their bank balence? I don't think so.

My bank balance is almost always less than my IQ, I've found.

That's what comes of having a millionaire IQ though.

No, it's what comes of having three children.

 

[hifikrazy]

I've never come across a high end system with $50k source, $50k amps and $50k speakers that's cabled with 5 buck cables. The A.R.S.E. brigade will say it's because the system owner has more money than sense, but calling a successful millionaire clueless and gullible lacks credibility when the person calling the names is usually the one with a budget system. Reeks more of sour grapes than anything.

I reckon the low rent system in the blind test on the other thread will sound every bit as good as yours.

I guess that's what low rent system owners like you would like to think. Please yourself since that's all you can do. :wave:

Yours is cheaper than the one it sounded identical to.

Carry on fooling yourself that your low rent system is identical in performance to a high end one. It's clear that you suffer from more acute delusions than what you frequently accuse others of. Again, typical inferiority complex characteristics.

 

[Neptune_Twilight]

These annoy my other half but they are an improvement over the wooden blocks, this is on single cable configuration BTW.

 

[chebby]

Carry on fooling yourself that your low rent system is identical in performance to a high end one. It's clear that you suffer from more acute delusions than what you frequently accuse others of. Again, typical inferiority complex characteristics.

There used to be a forum rule about not attacking other members.

Lately there seems to be little sign of it being applied.

Yes, I know, someone else started it, so you have to see it through to the end.

MODS - Fair point Chebby. Can everyone please avoid the personal attacks.

 

[John Duncan]

in the case of mains leads where such improvements are not possible

http://www.russandrews.com/744268095/SKtest.pdf

Discuss, using the words 'possible' and 'audible'.

 

[TrevC]

in the case of mains leads where such improvements are not possible

http://www.russandrews.com/744268095/SKtest.pdf Discuss, using the words 'possible' and 'audible'.

It is not possible for a blank page to be audible.

 

[nopiano]

The link didn't work for me, John, but I found it from the Super Powerkord page. While too late to reply using your criteria, it seems axiomatic to me that different cables will perform differently. Whether they are audibly different, and if they are whether it is an improvement, is another matter. But they are different!

i note that one reply above mentions several Chord products. I have attended one of their demos where they use about five different sets of cables. No-one present would say there were no difference. I didn't universally prefer the better ones but the best were noticeably superior. Naturally it wasn't blind and I suppose the presenter may have influenced us, but I would be surprised.

I am definitely a believer, and agree with the OP that it seems foolish not to use something decent for a good system. I cannot imagine that everyone who has ever upgraded a cable is deluding themselves.

 

[Vladimir]

I am definitely a believer, and agree with the OP that it seems foolish not to use something decent for a good system. I cannot imagine that everyone who has ever upgraded a cable is deluding themselves.

1 In 4 Americans Thinks The Sun Goes Around The Earth

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Only 66 percent of people in a 2005 European Union poll answered the basic astronomy answer correctly. However, both China and the EU fared significantly better (66 percent and 70 percent, respectively) on the question about human evolution.

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[Frank Harvey]

Blimey. I can do you a loan at a very reasnable rate.

I can't; as my bank balance now matches my IQ, due to buying cables (which seems to have lowered both!) :doh:

"Terminally thick"? Join the club...

 

[Waxy]

As a newbie, I seek guidance from the forum Lizard Overlords regarding a wiring-related matter. I am pondering a new turntable. One of my options includes a tonearm with upgraded cable made of "Cardas copper litz".

What's that all about then, hmmm?

 

[Frank Harvey]

Cables are more like female handbags

Naah. I can't equate anything about hi-fi to 'female handbags'.

 

[lejockey]

I've never come across a high end system with $50k source, $50k amps and $50k speakers that's cabled with 5 buck cables. The A.R.S.E. brigade will say it's because the system owner has more money than sense, but calling a successful millionaire clueless and gullible lacks credibility when the person calling the names is usually the one with a budget system. Reeks more of sour grapes than anything.

You haven't been to any recording studios, have you?

 

[hifikrazy]

I've never come across a high end system with $50k source, $50k amps and $50k speakers that's cabled with 5 buck cables. The A.R.S.E. brigade will say it's because the system owner has more money than sense, but calling a successful millionaire clueless and gullible lacks credibility when the person calling the names is usually the one with a budget system. Reeks more of sour grapes than anything.

You haven't been to any recording studios, have you?

Oh it's back to the same old recording studios use basic cables argument again. We've been there, and I pointed to some evidence of studios that did switch to "non-basic" cables and noticed the improvement, but like always, the foo brigade presented the usual weak arguments that they were paid to provide their testimonials blah blah...

 

[lejockey]

I am only on here sporadically, so haven't seen this. Any chance you could find for me again? I know its a pain, but I would be interested to see. thank you

All the studios I have been or worked in, have all used cables that are durable, as they get switched around a lot, but have never used cables based on audio performance.

 

[hifikrazy]

With all due respect, let's not turn this thread into Groundhog Day. Anyway, like any other cable thread, that thread degenerated into the usual pages and pages of mudslinging,

I believe Mogami is the most widely used cable in pro studios so if what you say is true, then I would expect its website to talk only about their products' durability and not sound quality but look here and it reads no different from any other hifi cable website:

http://www.mogamicable.com/category/platinum/

http://www.mogamicable.com/category/gold/

Notice also that they mention sound quality ahead of durability.

 

[Ajani]

What is the point of being a (HiFi Forum) foo fighter?

I actually believe most of HiFi is foo, but I don't see the point of trying to convince everybody else of that.

I see the point of making ultra-expensive cables: $$$. It's a business. Whether the product makes a useful sonic difference or not is beside the point.

I also see the point of small brands, that claim their products are as good as anything else regardless of price, wanting to "fight foo", since it is in their best interest to convince all of us that everything they don't sell is foo...

But what does an individual forum member get from convincing others that expensive cables don't make a difference?

I'm sure the guy who is about to drop $15K on cables is not in a desperate financial position and in need of my advice. If he thinks it makes a difference, it's his money to spend. And even if I somehow convince him that a cheap pair of cables would do the same job. it's not as if he's suddenly going to donate the remainder of the $15K to charity. He'll just spend it on some other hobby... Maybe get a nice watch...

Most of our HiFi squabbles just seem so utterly pointless.

 

[lejockey]

If you look at the list of people using the cables on their site, they are almost all musicians, not studios or engineers. Musicians are often far more in the subjectavist camp than the engineers who actually produce the record and are responsible for making the musician sound good. They really aren't the most common cable used in studios at all. There really isn't such a thing as the most common brand.

 

[hifikrazy]

If you look at the list of people using the cables on their site, they are almost all musicians, not studios or engineers. Musicians are often far more in the subjectavist camp than the engineers who actually produce the record and are responsible for making the musician sound good. They really aren't the most common cable used in studios at all. There really isn't such a thing as the most common brand.

So musicians whose world revolves around music are poor judges of sound quality?

 

[Greenwich_Man]

A while ago now I got a free pair of cables with my magazine subscription. I thought they were unlikely to be much different to my 5 year old qued interconnects - what a surprise when they made a remarkable difference to the sound quality. Yes I was impressed with the Wireworld Luna 6. so I searched eBay for someone who wanted to sell there free cables, as they didn't need them. So recently when I needed a new pair I was happy to buy some Wireworld Luna 7. These are much better than the free ones that came with the turntable (replacements of those cost £15).

There I've said it.

Thing is most folks just want it to sound nice. And now my system sounds nicer. I'm a happy bunny

 

[TrevC]

With all due respect, let's not turn this thread into Groundhog Day. Anyway, like any other cable thread, that thread degenerated into the usual pages and pages of mudslinging,

So sayeth the chief mudslinger. LOL.

 

[TrevC]

A while ago now I got a free pair of cables with my magazine subscription. I thought they were unlikely to be much different to my 5 year old qued interconnects - what a surprise when they made a remarkable difference to the sound quality. Yes I was impressed with the Wireworld Luna 6. so I searched eBay for someone who wanted to sell there free cables, as they didn't need them. So recently when I needed a new pair I was happy to buy some Wireworld Luna 7. These are much better than the free ones that came with the turntable (replacements of those cost £15).

There I've said it.

Thing is most folks just want it to sound nice. And now my system sounds nicer. I'm a happy bunny

On a turntable the capacitance of the cable is quite important and small changes can affect the frequency response.

 

[TrevC]

A while ago now I got a free pair of cables with my magazine subscription. I thought they were unlikely to be much different to my 5 year old qued interconnects - what a surprise when they made a remarkable difference to the sound quality. Yes I was impressed with the Wireworld Luna 6. so I searched eBay for someone who wanted to sell there free cables, as they didn't need them. So recently when I needed a new pair I was happy to buy some Wireworld Luna 7. These are much better than the free ones that came with the turntable (replacements of those cost £15).

There I've said it.

Thing is most folks just want it to sound nice. And now my system sounds nicer. I'm a happy bunny

On a turntable the capacitance of the cable is quite important and small changes can affect the frequency response.