Best Speakers

[lindsayt]

Forgive me, jjbomber, but you seem to have a bit of a bee in your bonnet about AVI. If they bother you that much, why give them the oxygen of publicity?

Of course I forgive you. No bee in my bonnet, so let me explain.

I know a scam when I see one and I don't like it at all. You may have come across the saying ''Stand for something or you'll fall for anything''. I am making a stand against the hi-jacking of the forum.

The way I see it is:

If I am able to compare my speakers against the ADM 40's and the ADM 40's sound better then I would say that there is something in the enthusiastic pro ADM postings on this forum.

If I were to strongly prefer the sound of my speakers to the ADM 40's then it would be interesting to see how the ADM 40 owner reported the bake-off between the 2 sets of speakers.

If I thought that both speakers were equally good, but different then I would say so and say in exactly which ways each speaker was better. Again it would be interesting to see what the ADM owner would have to say about this.

At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

 

[jjbomber]

At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

Maybe they don'y own the speakers??? After all, they are posting advertising photos supplied to them by AVI rather than photos of their own speakers. It is difficult to compare speakers if they don't even own them in the first place. Just a thought.

I see Acoustic Energy and KEF both posting on the forum using their real identity. I wonder if a certain other speaker manufacturer will follow suit???

 

[hoopsontoast]

At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

Maybe they don'y own the speakers??? After all, they are posting advertising photos supplied to them by AVI rather than photos of their own speakers. It is difficult to compare speakers if they don't even own them in the first place. Just a thought.

I see Acoustic Energy and KEF both posting on the forum using their real identity. I wonder if a certain other speaker manufacturer will follow suit???

He cant, he is banned :shame:

 

[BigH]

On the subject of which speaker is better, subjective assesment aside you can really only compare like for like in terms of size and placement options. The smaller speaker will beat the wardrobe-sized one no problem in a 7' x 5' spare room but the wardrobe would most likely work better in a hall. There can simply never be a "best speaker" as the room interaction is such a huge part of the sound that it will always depend on how they and where they are used.

Surely that would depend upon which smaller speaker you're comparing against which wardrobe sized speaker? And on what was important to you in hi-fi reproduction? Which wardrobe sized speakers have you compared against which smaller speakers in 7' x 5' rooms?

If you had wardrobe sized speaker placed against the 5' wall it would be rather silly as the inside edges would be touching each other. That sized room with huge speakers is a little extreme.

For sure wardrobe speakers are not nearfield monitors. You'd get tonal abberations. But then you tend to get tonal abberations with small speakers anyway - usually mainly due to early bass roll-off / limitations in getting 2 drivers to cover the entire frequency spectrum.

The assumption that you get boomy bass with very large speakers in small rooms is inaccurate. It depends on the speakers, and the room furnishing.

I do totally agree that there is no such thing as a "best" sounding speaker. Electrostatics can do things in the midrange that conventional cones and domes don't. Large lightweight cones in large sealed enclosures do things in the bass that electrostatics and small speakers don't. High efficiency compression drivers do things with dynamics, especially at generous volumes that conventional cones and domes and electrostatics don't. This is all based on the particular speakers that I've heard so far.

You do know who AEJim is don't you?

I would take note of someone who makes loudspeakers.

 

[BigH]

Forgive me, jjbomber, but you seem to have a bit of a bee in your bonnet about AVI. If they bother you that much, why give them the oxygen of publicity?

Of course I forgive you. No bee in my bonnet, so let me explain.

I know a scam when I see one and I don't like it at all. You may have come across the saying ''Stand for something or you'll fall for anything''. I am making a stand against the hi-jacking of the forum.

Haha, you obliviously don't know what a scam is.

 

[BenLaw]

At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

Maybe they don'y own the speakers??? After all, they are posting advertising photos supplied to them by AVI rather than photos of their own speakers. It is difficult to compare speakers if they don't even own them in the first place. Just a thought.

I see Acoustic Energy and KEF both posting on the forum using their real identity. I wonder if a certain other speaker manufacturer will follow suit???

So you're saying that anyone posting pro-AVI is Ashley James posting in disguise? Does this go for anyone who posts in favour of a product they own? If not, why single out AVI?

Seems to me you have very little to go on to draw the conclusions you have (such as that this thread was started by someone on behalf of Ashley James, rather than a first time poster posting a blank thread, like that never happens, and then getting scared off by the bizarre reaction). Looks to me like your paranoia.

 

[RobinKidderminster]

Love to know why 'he' was banned.
Surely simple common sense comments from Jim & others should close this rediculous thread.Nah!

 

[jcbrum]

http://www.stereophile.com/historical/1005bozak/index.html

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[Overdose]

At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

Well that's about as convenient as going to one of the aforementioned hifi conventions.

I would love to have the time to sit down and listen to various pieces of equipment, but as with most people, travelling hundreds of miles to do so, is not an attractive proposition. If it were a matter of a couple of tens of miles, no problem.

It is quite difficult logistically, to arrange a representative selection of equipment to be listened to in any one place and in the same listening space, even more so to do it whilst removing subjective bias.

I suspect that you would no more enjoy the ADMs as the ADM owners would enjoy your speakers, because that is the sound that the respective owners have become acustomed to.

 

[Overdose]

http://www.stereophile.com/historical/1005bozak/index.html

.

That little black speaker on top there would do much better on some proper stands. It would boom terribly sitting on top of that cabinet!

 

[jjbomber]

but as with most people, travelling hundreds of miles to do so, is not an attractive proposition. If it were a matter of a couple of tens of miles, no problem.

Though of course you quite regularly tell people to travel hundreds of miles to the AVI factory for a demo. Following on from your logic, are you now going to stop recommending AVI unless the people live with tens of miles of the factory? No, I thought not.

 

[jcbrum]

That little black speaker on top there would do much better on some proper stands. It would boom terribly sitting on top of that cabinet!

HaHa, don't worry, I doubt that you can hear anything from it
As Stereophile pointed out, big old Bozaks are not at their best unless the listener is more than 15 feet away :? JC

 

[RobinKidderminster]

Love to know why 'he' was banned. Surely simple common sense comments from Jim & others should close this rediculous thread.Nah!

Since its not closed..... Anyone have actives in 5.1 config? I'd be interested in pix to see how they look and experience of their performance in this role

 

[hoopsontoast]

Love to know why 'he' was banned. Surely simple common sense comments from Jim & others should close this rediculous thread.Nah!

Since its not closed..... Anyone have actives in 5.1 config? I'd be interested in pix to see how they look and experience of their performance in this role

Probably the same as any normal 5.1 just with a power cable as well as the signal cable going to the speakers :rofl:

Not sure why it would make any difference....

One problem you do have is if the speaker uses an un-balanced 'low level' connection, you run the risk of long lengths for the signal cable that may pick up hum when routed round the room, rather than a high level signal from the amplifier.

 

[chebby]

but as with most people, travelling hundreds of miles to do so, is not an attractive proposition. If it were a matter of a couple of tens of miles, no problem.

Though of course you quite regularly tell people to travel hundreds of miles to the AVI factory for a demo. Following on from your logic, are you now going to stop recommending AVI unless the people live with tens of miles of the factory? No, I thought not.

There are however AVI users in many other parts of the country who have frequently offered to demo their own speakers to those who can't get to the factory or to the (very) few dealers who carry them.

This is why I would encourage those who are seriously thinking of buying AVI speakers to join AVI's own forum. There is a much better chance of making such contacts and - maybe - saving a lot of time and petrol if one of their members live nearby. IIRC the AVI forum has a PM facility where such arrangements can be made in private.

 

[richardw42]

That's right.

I've demoed my ADM40s at my home.

 

[richardw42]

Love to know why 'he' was banned. Surely simple common sense comments from Jim & others should close this rediculous thread.Nah!

Since its not closed..... Anyone have actives in 5.1 config? I'd be interested in pix to see how they look and experience of their performance in this role

my TV room is pretty small and I went from a Monitor Audio 5.1 to active 2.1. I thought the MA Was great but the actives mean I don't miss it.

My real wish though is to set up a proper cinema room, when I've paid the mortgage off next year I m thinking of converting the loft for that purpose (c. 40x25 into eaves). It means I can go back to 5.1 (or more) in real comfort.

PI think Actives will be my preferred option, and I'd like to hear some from different manufacturers, I'd also like to know if anyone does an active 5.1 set, although I'd be quite happy putting one together.

Pthe pp is right, in terms of cabling 5.1 actives is at least as complex as passive and could be regarded as more so because of the number of sockets required.

I hope to be able to put up a HC build thread some time next year.

 

[Overdose]

but as with most people, travelling hundreds of miles to do so, is not an attractive proposition. If it were a matter of a couple of tens of miles, no problem.

Though of course you quite regularly tell people to travel hundreds of miles to the AVI factory for a demo. Following on from your logic, are you now going to stop recommending AVI unless the people live with tens of miles of the factory? No, I thought not.

I've done no such thing, although I am open to being shown evidence to the contrary. 🙂

I would always advise a demo if at all possible and in the case of AVI speakers, simply point out that some owners are happy to let people listen to their own speakers as a means to a demo. People could always buy blind, but careful research might be needed and a strong dose of faith.

In my case I didn't bother with a demo, as I took the standpoint that they were everything that I needed from a new pair of speakers. They were ideal for my needs on paper and almost every review and owner opinion pointed to an excellent product. There is an almost complete absence of bad feedback regarding the speakers and I have owned other active speakers previously, so knew more or less what to expect.

I was not disappointed. So I shall continue to advise that people seriously consider the AVI products, in particular the ADM9s, as to my mind, they are superb, not withstanding the fact that as an almost complete system, they offer almost unparalled value for money.

They are an excellent solution to a lot of peoples requests for advise as they offer a complete package and sit in the price bracket that is considered to be midrange. From mint used at around £750 they cover a lot of bases at a wide price range.

It seems that there is more nosie from an anti AVI standpoint and almost exclusively from people whom have never heard the product. I'm not sure where all the bitterness comes from really, as the most forthright contributors on the Pro AVI side of the discussions have not been on the forum for some time.

If someone states that they like a product and then recomends it to someone on that basis, what have you to offer to the contrary? If it is conjecture and prejudice born from your own lack of understanding, then you bring nothing of any worth to the discussion table.

So all I can say is, grab yourself a ceremonial gown, bring along some incense candles and join in the fun. You never know, you might like it 😛

 

[jjbomber]

At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

Apparently you can join the cult and then one of the members will happily let you into their home to listen to their system. Not sure what they'll say when you take your own system in to compare it to. Once you've managed that, then you can post the results on here.

 

[BenLaw]

At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

Well that's about as convenient as going to one of the aforementioned hifi conventions.

I would love to have the time to sit down and listen to various pieces of equipment, but as with most people, travelling hundreds of miles to do so, is not an attractive proposition. If it were a matter of a couple of tens of miles, no problem.

It is quite difficult logistically, to arrange a representative selection of equipment to be listened to in any one place and in the same listening space, even more so to do it whilst removing subjective bias.

I suspect that you would no more enjoy the ADMs as the ADM owners would enjoy your speakers, because that is the sound that the respective owners have become acustomed to.

Why doesn't Lindsay arrange to come to OD's house?

 

[altruistic.lemon]

Mate, I don't think the cult thing has anything to do with it, only some users are recommending the AVIs randomly without bothering to read what the posters want.

No conspiracy either - why would AVI want to have anything to do with something like that ? Sales are good, from what one reads, and that'd be the only possible reason.

Replying to jjbomber, by the way.

 

[Overdose]

Why doesn't Lindsay arrange to come to OD's house?

I'd entertain pretty much anyone, but they'd need to leave the furniture behind. I have a pair of fairly compact bookshelf speakers for a reason. 😉

 

[Ajani]

At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

Well that's about as convenient as going to one of the aforementioned hifi conventions.

I would love to have the time to sit down and listen to various pieces of equipment, but as with most people, travelling hundreds of miles to do so, is not an attractive proposition. If it were a matter of a couple of tens of miles, no problem.

It is quite difficult logistically, to arrange a representative selection of equipment to be listened to in any one place and in the same listening space, even more so to do it whilst removing subjective bias.

I suspect that you would no more enjoy the ADMs as the ADM owners would enjoy your speakers, because that is the sound that the respective owners have become acustomed to.

Why doesn't Lindsay arrange to come to OD's house?

I believe he did offer. Read the text after the bold print.

Note: that bold highlight is very misleading as it ignores the fact that he mentioned auditioning at their houses as an option.

 

[Ajani]

Why doesn't Lindsay arrange to come to OD's house?

I'd entertain pretty much anyone, but they'd need to leave the furniture behind. I have a pair of fairly compact bookshelf speakers for a reason. 😉

The problem is that would make the entire excercise pointless, as Lindsay wants to be able to compare his speakers directly against AVI.

Also, he maintains that AVI owners are reluctant to hear his setup, but are quick to dismiss it.

 

[BenLaw]

At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

Well that's about as convenient as going to one of the aforementioned hifi conventions.

I would love to have the time to sit down and listen to various pieces of equipment, but as with most people, travelling hundreds of miles to do so, is not an attractive proposition. If it were a matter of a couple of tens of miles, no problem.

It is quite difficult logistically, to arrange a representative selection of equipment to be listened to in any one place and in the same listening space, even more so to do it whilst removing subjective bias.

I suspect that you would no more enjoy the ADMs as the ADM owners would enjoy your speakers, because that is the sound that the respective owners have become acustomed to.

Why doesn't Lindsay arrange to come to OD's house?

I believe he did offer. Read the text after the bold print.

Note: that bold highlight is very misleading as it ignores the fact that he mentioned auditioning at their houses as an option.

Oh yeah, wasn't meant as a criticism, I was trying to encourage an arrangement being made. Anyone else who has 9s & sub or 40s who could temporarily accommodate the wardrobes? I would be most interested to hear the results (in particular an AVI owner's take on the SQ of the wardrobes in absolute terms, ignoring the practicalities).