Best CD player

[Deleted member 108165]

grew out of Black Sabbath about 40 years ago.

I never actually grew into them! *biggrin*

 

[TomSawyer]

grew out of Black Sabbath about 40 years ago.

I never actually grew into them! *biggrin*

If I was forced to pick one band to only ever listen to (let's hope it never happens) it would be Sabbath - massively under-rated in my opinion. Bill Ward's jazz inspired drumming puts him on the top of the podium above Peart and Bonham in my book. Controversial?

 

[Blacksabbath25]

grew out of Black Sabbath about 40 years ago.

I never actually grew into them! *biggrin*

If I was forced to pick one band to only ever listen to (let's hope it never happens) it would be Sabbath - massively under-rated in my opinion. Bill Ward's jazz inspired drumming puts him on the top of the podium above Peart and Bonham in my book. Controversial?

bill ward is an awesome drummer

 

[Electro]

I am getting older as I just like to sit back and enjoy music without it scream back at me my taste is so wide it depends on what mood I feel I have always been this way with music but now finding I am actually wanting to hear better produce stuff like the pink floyd more .

In regards to cdplayer or dac i will go the dac route because it's going to be hard to find a top cdplayer without spending silly money so the dac route is the way I will go as my marantz is well made and at least it's reliable

In that case this should do the trick.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Electrocompaniet-dac-ECD-1-convertitore-hi-end-/272260088712?hash=item3f63f74388:g:I28AAOSwz2lXCtSj

You are welcome to listen to my ECD1 and or my EMC1UP if you are anywhere near Essex or Kent , or from anywhere if you are willing to travel.

I use it connected to the digital out of an oppo player for music DVD's also an ipad for playing spotify premuim. .

Listening to spotify at 320kbps throught this dac sounds far better than most dedicated Cd players imo.

I can guarantee if you hear it you will want one. *smile*

Let me know if you are interested in hearing it .

A review below.

http://www.stereotimes.com/acc030303.shtml

And another.

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.hi-fi.com.pl/przetworniki-c-a-testy-lista/616-electrocompaniet-ecd1.html&prev=search

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I am getting older as I just like to sit back and enjoy music without it scream back at me my taste is so wide it depends on what mood I feel I have always been this way with music but now finding I am actually wanting to hear better produce stuff like the pink floyd more .

In regards to cdplayer or dac i will go the dac route because it's going to be hard to find a top cdplayer without spending silly money so the dac route is the way I will go as my marantz is well made and at least it's reliable

In that case this should do the trick.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Electrocompaniet-dac-ECD-1-convertitore-hi-end-/272260088712?hash=item3f63f74388:g:I28AAOSwz2lXCtSj

You are welcome to listen to my ECD1 and or my EMC1UP if you are anywhere near Essex or Kent , or from anywhere if you are willing to travel.

I use it connected to the digital out of an oppo player for music DVD's also an ipad for playing spotify premuim. .

Listening to spotify at 320kbps throught this dac sounds far better than most dedicated Cd players imo.

I can guarantee if you hear it you will want one. *smile*

Let me know if you are interested in hearing it .

A review below.

http://www.stereotimes.com/acc030303.shtml

And another.

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.hi-fi.com.pl/przetworniki-c-a-testy-lista/616-electrocompaniet-ecd1.html&prev=search

thanks ! Looks good I am from Ely Cambridgeshire

 

[tonky]

grew out of Black Sabbath about 40 years ago.

I never actually grew into them! *biggrin*

If I was forced to pick one band to only ever listen to (let's hope it never happens) it would be Sabbath - massively under-rated in my opinion. Bill Ward's jazz inspired drumming puts him on the top of the podium above Peart and Bonham in my book. Controversial?

Early Sabbath stuff (first two albums in particular) superb. - But bands like Led Zeppelin showed far more over a wider range of albums. John Bonham great drummer - Ginger Baker - top of the class!!

tonky

 

[Blacksabbath25]

grew out of Black Sabbath about 40 years ago.

I never actually grew into them! *biggrin*

If I was forced to pick one band to only ever listen to (let's hope it never happens) it would be Sabbath - massively under-rated in my opinion. Bill Ward's jazz inspired drumming puts him on the top of the podium above Peart and Bonham in my book. Controversial?

Early Sabbath stuff (first two albums in particular) superb. - But bands like Led Zeppelin showed far more over a wider range of albums. John Bonham great drummer - Ginger Baker - top of the class!!

tonky

the first black sabbath album is the best and my most favourite and led Zeppelin are great too

 

[TomSawyer]

Early Sabbath stuff (first two albums in particular) superb. - But bands like Led Zeppelin showed far more over a wider range of albums. John Bonham great drummer - Ginger Baker - top of the class!!

tonky

Obviously your opinion's as valid as mine but not sure I agree on the wider range. I love Zep but their range was essentially from Tolkeinesque inspired Flower Power to heavy blues whereas Laguna Sunrise to War Pigs is quite a range.

As for Bonham, he could keep in time and hit the kit hard but I've never heard a run or a fill that I thought was truly great. To be even more controversial, but I promise you thiis not a wind-up, I'd put Reni from the Stone Roses above Bonham in terms of adding to the music rather than just underpinning it.

 

[Electro]

I am getting older as I just like to sit back and enjoy music without it scream back at me my taste is so wide it depends on what mood I feel I have always been this way with music but now finding I am actually wanting to hear better produce stuff like the pink floyd more .

In regards to cdplayer or dac i will go the dac route because it's going to be hard to find a top cdplayer without spending silly money so the dac route is the way I will go as my marantz is well made and at least it's reliable

In that case this should do the trick.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Electrocompaniet-dac-ECD-1-convertitore-hi-end-/272260088712?hash=item3f63f74388:g:I28AAOSwz2lXCtSj

You are welcome to listen to my ECD1 and or my EMC1UP if you are anywhere near Essex or Kent , or from anywhere if you are willing to travel.

I use it connected to the digital out of an oppo player for music DVD's also an ipad for playing spotify premuim. .

Listening to spotify at 320kbps throught this dac sounds far better than most dedicated Cd players imo.

I can guarantee if you hear it you will want one. *smile*

Let me know if you are interested in hearing it .

A review below.

http://www.stereotimes.com/acc030303.shtml

And another.

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.hi-fi.com.pl/przetworniki-c-a-testy-lista/616-electrocompaniet-ecd1.html&prev=search

thanks ! Looks good I am from Ely Cambridgeshire

That's not too far away , I am 10 mins away from junction 30 of the M25.

If you are interested in popping down for a listen let me know and I will give you my email address.

You will have to bring your own Sabbath Cd's though as I don't have any *smile*

I must invite Colin down for a listen too if he is not to busy building amps and speakers !

 

[BigH]

grew out of Black Sabbath about 40 years ago.

I never actually grew into them! *biggrin*

If I was forced to pick one band to only ever listen to (let's hope it never happens) it would be Sabbath - massively under-rated in my opinion. Bill Ward's jazz inspired drumming puts him on the top of the podium above Peart and Bonham in my book. Controversial?

Well I grew up in the 70s, so Black Sabbath were releasing albums like SBS, Vol. 4 etc, at 15-16 I was quite impressed but then I just lost interest in them. More in Led Zepp., The Who, Pink Floyd, The Doors, Tull. Ward's drumming is OK but I rate Bonham and Ginger Baker above him. I like jazz and can see how it influenced rock drumming.

Rush are one band I could never get into.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Right I need some education here before I really spend loads of money .

A cdplayer will have jitter is this correct ... the more you spend on a good cdplayer the less jitter you get ?

A dac will stop all jitter is this correct .... which will improve sound quality of a cd and also will the dac sample at a higher rate then a cdplayer would on its own in its convertion of the cd it's self so the dac reads and see more info on the cd disc it's self were a normal cdplayer will have the jitter so some information is lost because of the jitter is this right .

and a cdplayer power supply and build also helps

 

[Craig M.]

Right I need some education here before I really spend loads of money .

A cdplayer will have jitter is this correct ... the more you spend on a good cdplayer the less jitter you get ?

A dac will stop all jitter is this correct .... which will improve sound quality of a cd and also will the dac sample at a higher rate then a cdplayer would on its own in its convertion of the cd it's self so the dac reads and see more info on the cd disc it's self were a normal cdplayer will have the jitter so some information is lost because of the jitter is this right .

and a cdplayer power supply and build also helps

If you're talking about the analogue output from a cd player then jitter is irrelevant, it only becomes a 'thing' if using it just as a transport and sending the digital signal to a seperate dac. Whether it is a 'thing' is open to debate, the only decent study into the audibility of jitter I've seen found the level needed to be audible to be very high.

Most modern dacs should be jitter immune in terms of audibilty. The dac upsampling won't affect how the transport is reading the data.

If all I wanted to do was play cds, and had no interest in streaming, I'd personally stick to a one box player.

 

[Electro]

Right I need some education here before I really spend loads of money .

A cdplayer will have jitter is this correct ... the more you spend on a good cdplayer the less jitter you get ?

A dac will stop all jitter is this correct .... which will improve sound quality of a cd and also will the dac sample at a higher rate then a cdplayer would on its own in its convertion of the cd it's self so the dac reads and see more info on the cd disc it's self were a normal cdplayer will have the jitter so some information is lost because of the jitter is this right .

and a cdplayer power supply and build also helps

All Cd players can produce jitter internally but most keep it down to an acceptable level regardless of price .

Most competent DAC's will handle any jitter sent to them very well but anything that can be done to reduce jitter is always a good thing.

Reduced jitter will not make the Cd sound any better but it will reduce noise and distortion allowing more of the fine detail to be heard along with more ambient information imo.

I use a Monarchy Audio DIP ( digital interface processor ) to re clock the data and reduce any jitter sent to the Dac.

http://monarchyaudio.com/DIP_Classic_Main_Frame.htm

A good Cd power supply is very important to keep noise to a minimum and should have completely separate supplies for the digital and analog sections.

The type and make of converter is less important because most do an almost perfect job but I am in favour of upsampling , when done properly it can reduce the noise floor by 10db.

The most important part of any DAC or Cd player is the analog output section, this is what makes or breaks the sound quality. Money spent here is the most important thing but unfortunately with most DAC's and Cd players this part is usually an after thought and a place they tend to try and save money , they would rather list what type of new wizz bang converter chips they use because it sounds more sexy to the buying public.

All imo of course . *smile*

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Right I need some education here before I really spend loads of money .

A cdplayer will have jitter is this correct ... the more you spend on a good cdplayer the less jitter you get ?

A dac will stop all jitter is this correct .... which will improve sound quality of a cd and also will the dac sample at a higher rate then a cdplayer would on its own in its convertion of the cd it's self so the dac reads and see more info on the cd disc it's self were a normal cdplayer will have the jitter so some information is lost because of the jitter is this right .

and a cdplayer power supply and build also helps

All Cd players can produce jitter internally but most keep it down to an acceptable level regardless of price .

Most competent DAC's will handle any jitter sent to them very well but anything that can be done to reduce jitter is always a good thing.

Reduced jitter will not make the Cd sound any better but it will reduce noise and distortion allowing more of the fine detail to be heard along with more ambient information imo.

I use a Monarchy Audio DIP ( digital interface processor ) to re clock the data and reduce any jitter sent to the Dac.

http://monarchyaudio.com/DIP_Classic_Main_Frame.htm

A good Cd power supply is very important to keep noise to a minimum and should have completely separate supplies for the digital and analog sections.

The type and make of converter is less important because most do an almost perfect job but I am in favour of upsampling , when done properly it can reduce the noise floor by 10db.

The most important part of any DAC or Cd player is the analog output section, this is what makes or breaks the sound quality. Money spent here is the most important thing but unfortunately with most DAC's and Cd players this part is usually an after thought and a place they tend to try and save money , they would rather list what type of new wizz bang converter chips they use because it sounds more sexy to the buying public.

All imo of course . *smile*

thanks for the info very helpful.. so what's the best solution for me then a dac still or what ? If it's an issue with the output what do I look for then ? What's the answer here

 

[Electro]

thanks for the info very helpful.. so what's the best solution for me then a dac still or what ? If it's an issue with the output what do I look for then ? What's the answer here

A good well built Cd player like the Electro EMC1 UP is a fit an forget solution and should last 20 years mainly due to the quality and longevity of the Philips Cd pro 2 transport mech fitted. The Cd pro 2 transport mech costs more on it's own than many complete Cd players.

http://www.encosystems.net/product-category/modules/

A dac like the ECD1 will allow equal sound quality but is more versatile, allowing more than one digital source to be used .

Internal of ECD1 .

I use both because it gives me so many top quality options.

Internal of the rather large 20kg EMC1 UP Cd player, note the digital and analog sections are as far apart as possible .

If you are looking for a good spec Cd player or dac search for info about the type of analog output .

It could be anything from a cheap op amp costing about £1 to a fully discrete top quality class output like the Electro's.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

thanks for the info very helpful.. so what's the best solution for me then a dac still or what ? If it's an issue with the output what do I look for then ? What's the answer here

A good well built Cd player like the Electro EMC1 UP is a fit an forget solution and should last 20 years mainly due to the quality and longevity of the Philips Cd pro 2 transport mech fitted. The Cd pro 2 transport mech costs more on it's own than many complete Cd players.

http://www.encosystems.net/product-category/modules/

A dac like the ECD1 will allow equal sound quality but is more versatile, allowing more than one digital source to be used .

Internal of ECD1 .

I use both because it gives me so many top quality options.

Internal of the rather large 20kg EMC1 UP Cd player, note the digital and analog sections are as far apart as possible .

If you are looking for a good spec Cd player or dac search for info about the type of analog output .

It could be anything from a cheap op amp costing about £1 to a fully discrete top quality class output like the Electro's.

thanks Electro i will let you know if i need to come see you . its a hard choice to make i can only afford one of them the cd player should be the way to go but i like the dac too *smile*

 

[tonky]

Early Sabbath stuff (first two albums in particular) superb. - But bands like Led Zeppelin showed far more over a wider range of albums. John Bonham great drummer - Ginger Baker - top of the class!!

tonky

Obviously your opinion's as valid as mine but not sure I agree on the wider range. I love Zep but their range was essentially from Tolkeinesque inspired Flower Power to heavy blues whereas Laguna Sunrise to War Pigs is quite a range.

As for Bonham, he could keep in time and hit the kit hard but I've never heard a run or a fill that I thought was truly great. To be even more controversial, but I promise you thiis not a wind-up, I'd put Reni from the Stone Roses above Bonham in terms of adding to the music rather than just underpinning it.

Good shout to be honest - I don't know Laguna Sunrise so can't really comment but for me the early albums by both bands were a breath of fresh air on the music scene - progressive rock - as it was usually called at the time was just vibrant and exciting ( also jethro tull - free - yes - deep purple - cream - floyd and many others). The tolkinesque lyrics were incidental (imho) to led zep's music. I was fortunate to hear John Bonham live - loved his powerful drum solos then as he was allowed to express himself more.

cheers tonky

 

[CnoEvil]

FWIW. You should take Electro up on his offer...it is rare to get a chance to hear that quality of system, outside of a dealer (who is trying to sell it to you).

Electro, Mac and Iceman, all have expensive systems, have heard a lot of CDPs and went with the EMC 1UP. This should give you a certain confidence, that this is a bit of kit worth pursuing.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

FWIW. You should take Electro up on his offer...it is rare to get a chance to hear that quality of system, outside of a dealer (who is trying to sell it to you).

Electro, Mac and Iceman, all have expensive systems, have heard a lot of CDPs and went with the EMC 1UP. This should give you a certain confidence, that this is a bit of kit worth pursuing.

the dac that Electro found me is being sold in Italy for e800 best offer what's that in uk pounds?

 

[BigH]

FWIW. You should take Electro up on his offer...it is rare to get a chance to hear that quality of system, outside of a dealer (who is trying to sell it to you).

Electro, Mac and Iceman, all have expensive systems, have heard a lot of CDPs and went with the EMC 1UP. This should give you a certain confidence, that this is a bit of kit worth pursuing.

the dac that Electro found me is being sold in Italy for e800 best offer what's that in uk pounds?

About £630.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

FWIW. You should take Electro up on his offer...it is rare to get a chance to hear that quality of system, outside of a dealer (who is trying to sell it to you).

Electro, Mac and Iceman, all have expensive systems, have heard a lot of CDPs and went with the EMC 1UP. This should give you a certain confidence, that this is a bit of kit worth pursuing.

the dac that Electro found me is being sold in Italy for e800 best offer what's that in uk pounds?

About £630.

the other problem is I can not read what's said about it's not in English as I need to know if there is any issues with it

 

[CnoEvil]

the dac that Electro found me is being sold in Italy for e800 best offer what's that in uk pounds?

€800 is about £625.

FWIW. I would be looking at the CDP from a known and well respected GB dealer, who in all likelihood, will let you do a home dem; sold the CDP in the first place and so know its history. To my thinking, this should give considerable piece of mind.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

the dac that Electro found me is being sold in Italy for e800 best offer what's that in uk pounds?

€800 is about £625.

FWIW. I would be looking at the CDP from a known and well respected GB dealer, who in all likelihood, will let you do a home dem; sold the CDP in the first place and so know its history. To my thinking, this should give considerable piece of mind.

I do feel a bit uneasy buying something that is not in the uk to be honest . Next question if the mechanism or anything goes wrong on it after 2 years say were can I get it fixed ?

 

[BigH]

FWIW. You should take Electro up on his offer...it is rare to get a chance to hear that quality of system, outside of a dealer (who is trying to sell it to you).

Electro, Mac and Iceman, all have expensive systems, have heard a lot of CDPs and went with the EMC 1UP. This should give you a certain confidence, that this is a bit of kit worth pursuing.

the dac that Electro found me is being sold in Italy for e800 best offer what's that in uk pounds?

About £630.

the other problem is I can not read what's said about it's not in English as I need to know if there is any issues with it

Seems a bit risky to me.

 

[Macspur]

the dac that Electro found me is being sold in Italy for e800 best offer what's that in uk pounds?

€800 is about £625.

FWIW. I would be looking at the CDP from a known and well respected GB dealer, who in all likelihood, will let you do a home dem; sold the CDP in the first place and so know its history. To my thinking, this should give considerable piece of mind.

I do feel a bit uneasy buying something that is not in the uk to be honest . Next question if the mechanism or anything goes wrong on it after 2 years say were can I get it fixed ?

BS... Just speak to the guys at Audio Destination and they will settle any queries or fears you may have about the CDP... they are very honest, not at all pushy and specialise in Electrocompaniet gear.

Speak to them tomorrow and you could prob have the unit by Tuesday to hear for yourself.

Mac

www.macsmusic.blogbubble.net