Amp recommendations

[Electro]

Everybody thinks "their" amp is best (not surprisingly)...

I think Electro's amps are the best among our forumites.

You are very kind Vladimir and possibly right *biggrin* , but then I would say that wouldn't I.

I am not going to say mine are the best how could I possibly know, but I can say that I have heard nothing better in my lifetime at any price.

Actually the star of the show is the EC 4.8 preamp, It is the most transparent preamp I have ever heard, it is quite special and the sound quality competes with the best at any price imo and also in many other people's.

http://www.dagogo.com/electrocompaniet-ec-4-8-preamplifier-review

The AW180's are absolute beasts but they are also as delicate as a butterly, it is rare that an amp can be so good at doing everything so well, everybody that has heard them has been very impressed indeed.

Except ellis lol

Really! That surprises me, he seemed to appreciate what they did when he was here although he was not that impressed with the room acoustics at the time or my cables *biggrin* .

It was ellis that inspired me to experiment and improve my room acoustics which I have done with amazing results.

I think ellis has a very different ideal sound type to me, he wants to hear every detail in the recording to the nth degree up close and personal with ultra focus, the perfect HiFi with the most high definition possible and his system seems to reflect that aim to me.

I prefer a live music sound with the best possible dynamics and a sound that adds the venue to the room like an extension rather than bring the performers into the room, I want a huge soundstage with good focus and detail but not loosing the music and live feel in the process, I am not a detail freak only a music freak ( no offence to anyone *smile* )

There is no right or wrong it's all about what you prefer, if we all liked the same thing it would all be very boring.

If you are ever in the mood you are welcome to judge my system for yourself.*good*

 

[Vladimir]

I don't consider that mini amp even in the same league. I burn through 30W with sealed enclosure speakers like elephant eating 30 peanuts. Dynamic compression would bother me especially with classical music.

Provided you use a speaker that is efficient (90 dB+) and has plummeting impedance (around 3 Ohms), then you are getting much more than 30W (as it doubles power as impedance halves, down to 2 Ohms).

The amp goes louder than my hearing can stand in a large room...just ask Iceman if you don't believe me. *music2*

Are you sure it's not a headphone amp?

are they by any chance Felco Secateurs used for gardening you have at the bottom of your post Vladimir ? *yes3*

Spring time is garden time. The mad barber with the red secateurs is now out in the open.

 

[ellisdj]

I didnt dislike the electro amps.
I would like to try them but they dont fit in my limited space.

They seemed good enough to me just limited by the room acoustics and cables...
Cheap cables were killing electros should be more focused sound

Not my fault if his generation prefer boom tizz ......

Thats a joke btw

 

[Vladimir]

Electrocompaniet Nemo (AW600) block was designed by Per Abrahamsen to drive the B&W Nautilus, 8 monoaural blocks in a full setup to be precise. Each Nemo is consisted of two AW180s in bridge mode. It really is no compromise high end stuff.

The problem with going low in quantity of amplification and charging as much because of some special quality you deem you've gained, is that you can suffer on the other end of this homeopathy concept. Flea watt valve guys are manic about how superior their amps sound to anything, ever. They look at a 30W integrated like it's a childs plastic Korg synthesizer. But what can you do with 3W? "Well, you need 200dB efficient speaker, it has to be with 300kg alnico magnet, 50ft horns, purple lepricon jackets used as foil in the crossover capacitors, and the moon has to be in the right place...". Come on.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I don't consider that mini amp even in the same league. I burn through 30W with sealed enclosure speakers like elephant eating 30 peanuts. Dynamic compression would bother me especially with classical music.

Provided you use a speaker that is efficient (90 dB+) and has plummeting impedance (around 3 Ohms), then you are getting much more than 30W (as it doubles power as impedance halves, down to 2 Ohms).

The amp goes louder than my hearing can stand in a large room...just ask Iceman if you don't believe me.

Are you sure it's not a headphone amp?

are they by any chance Felco Secateurs used for gardening you have at the bottom of your post Vladimir ? *yes3*

Spring time is garden time. The mad barber with the red secateurs is now out in the open.

hay that's my trade I am a gardener so I own a pair of those

 

[Vladimir]

I don't consider that mini amp even in the same league. I burn through 30W with sealed enclosure speakers like elephant eating 30 peanuts. Dynamic compression would bother me especially with classical music.

Provided you use a speaker that is efficient (90 dB+) and has plummeting impedance (around 3 Ohms), then you are getting much more than 30W (as it doubles power as impedance halves, down to 2 Ohms).

The amp goes louder than my hearing can stand in a large room...just ask Iceman if you don't believe me.

Are you sure it's not a headphone amp?

are they by any chance Felco Secateurs used for gardening you have at the bottom of your post Vladimir ? *yes3*

Spring time is garden time. The mad barber with the red secateurs is now out in the open.

hay that's my trade I am a gardener so I own a pair of those

Cool! *ok* We both have good taste in audio and horti/arbori/viticulture tools.

I need to get me a leather case from Felco. Birthday not too far away.

 

[Al ears]

I don't consider that mini amp even in the same league. I burn through 30W with sealed enclosure speakers like elephant eating 30 peanuts. Dynamic compression would bother me especially with classical music.

Provided you use a speaker that is efficient (90 dB+) and has plummeting impedance (around 3 Ohms), then you are getting much more than 30W (as it doubles power as impedance halves, down to 2 Ohms).

The amp goes louder than my hearing can stand in a large room...just ask Iceman if you don't believe me.

Are you sure it's not a headphone amp?

are they by any chance Felco Secateurs used for gardening you have at the bottom of your post Vladimir ? *yes3*

Spring time is garden time. The mad barber with the red secateurs is now out in the open.

hay that's my trade I am a gardener so I own a pair of those

Cool! *ok* We both have good taste in audio and horti/arbori/viticulture tools.

I need to get me a leather case from Felco. Birthday not too far away.

Felco No.7 is my weapon of choice.

 

[Electro]

PP, I hope you will forgive me for going of topic and posting a few pictures of my room to highlight my home made room treatments.

Please feel free to comment *smile*

 

[Vladimir]

PP, I hope you will forgive me for going of topic and posting a few pictures of my room to highlight my home made room treatments.

Please feel free to comment *smile*

Yummy!

Ever considered a full wall to wall curtain behind the system? Should boost the dramatic feel of the room.

 

[Vladimir]

Felco No.7 is my weapon of choice.

It's now officially a club! *drinks*

Haven't tried the swivel hand yet.

 

[ellisdj]

PP, I hope you will forgive me for going of topic and posting a few pictures of my room to highlight my home made room treatments.

Please feel free to comment *smile*

Have you taken any REW measurements to see what they have done?

You need to see what your bass response at your MLP - thats critical job number 1 mate

 

[Electro]

PP, I hope you will forgive me for going of topic and posting a few pictures of my room to highlight my home made room treatments.

Please feel free to comment *smile*

Yummy!

Ever considered a full wall to wall curtain behind the system? Should boost the dramatic feel of the room.

Yes I am probably going to put some loose curtains to cover the back wall and the rather small telly, and also behind my listening position to cover some folding wood and glass doors that are about two metres behind the chair, I am also thinking about some diffusion on the ceiling in front of the speakers.

 

[ellisdj]

You want the diffusion behind the listening position - look up Acoustic Fields, lots of vids on YT

Dont forget your sitting near the middle of the room - the place with the least bass hence measuing it to see what your getting as being number 1 importance

You have a big enough room that is dedicated to setup following the Rule of Thirds - that is well worth considering

 

[Electro]

PP, I hope you will forgive me for going of topic and posting a few pictures of my room to highlight my home made room treatments.

Please feel free to comment *smile*

Have you taken any REW measurements to see what they have done?

You need to see what your bass response at your MLP - thats critical job number 1 mate

I have done no measurements whatsoever it has all been many hours of experimentation, listening and learning my room, much of it is pure instinct and some luck thrown in.

The absorption lying on the floor was a gift courtesy of my boys who took great joy in running into my room and pushing over a couple of my rolls to wind me up but after a couple of time I realized they sounded better on the floor to that is where I put them.*smile*

I have got it to a point when there are no audible ( to me ) bass nulls or peaks and you can walk around the room and the sound remains the same.

I think there is a frequency peak in the area that controls imaging but it is so nice I am loathed to get rid of it as it sounds so wonderful.

I t would be interesting to measure it to see how well ( or badly ) I have done.

 

[Andrewjvt]

PP, I hope you will forgive me for going of topic and posting a few pictures of my room to highlight my home made room treatments.

Please feel free to comment *smile*

If you never told me it was room acoustics, id have thought you invited loads of muslim women around to listen to music

 

[tonky]

PP, I hope you will forgive me for going of topic and posting a few pictures of my room to highlight my home made room treatments.

Please feel free to comment *smile*

If you never told me it was room acoustics, id have thought you invited loads of muslim women around to listen to music

Well Electro - I was going to make a silly joke about people standing around covered in curtains (and how did you manage to keep them still etc)

But then I like to think I am mature in my humour ( and not discriminatory in any way)

tonky (shakes head)

 

[Andrewjvt]

Everybody thinks "their" amp is best (not surprisingly)...

I think Electro's amps are the best among our forumites.

You are very kind Vladimir and possibly right  *biggrin* , but then I would say that wouldn't I.

I am not going to say mine are the best how could I possibly know, but I can say that I have heard nothing better in my lifetime at any price.

Actually the star of the show is the EC 4.8 preamp, It is the most transparent preamp I have ever heard, it is quite special and the sound quality competes with the best at any price imo and also in many other people's.

http://www.dagogo.com/electrocompaniet-ec-4-8-preamplifier-review

The AW180's are absolute beasts but they are also as delicate as a butterly, it is rare that an amp can be so good at doing everything so well, everybody that has heard them has been very impressed indeed.

Except ellis lol

Really!  That surprises me, he seemed to appreciate what they did when he was here although he was not that impressed with the room acoustics at the time or my cables *biggrin* .

It was ellis that inspired me to experiment and improve my room acoustics which I have done with amazing results.

I think ellis has a very different ideal sound type to me, he wants to hear every detail in the recording to the nth degree up close and personal with ultra focus, the perfect HiFi with the most high definition possible and his system seems to reflect that aim to me.

I prefer a live music sound with the best possible dynamics and a sound that adds the venue to the room like an extension  rather than bring the performers into the room, I want a huge soundstage with good focus and detail but not loosing the music and live feel in the process, I am not a detail freak only a music freak ( no offence to anyone *smile* )

There is no right or wrong it's all about what you prefer, if we all liked the same thing it would all be very boring.

If you are ever in the mood you are welcome to judge my system for yourself.*good*

That was my point/joke
And ellis knows what i mean
He couldnt enjoy it (or relax) because of the cables.

Id love to hear your system but i dont need to, to know the quality.

 

[ellisdj]

PP, I hope you will forgive me for going of topic and posting a few pictures of my room to highlight my home made room treatments.

Please feel free to comment *smile*

Have you taken any REW measurements to see what they have done?

You need to see what your bass response at your MLP - thats critical job number 1 mate

I have done no measurements whatsoever it has all been many hours of experimentation, listening and learning my room, much of it is pure instinct and some luck thrown in.

The absorption lying on the floor was a gift courtesy of my boys who took great joy in running into my room and pushing over a couple of my rolls to wind me up but after a couple of time I realized they sounded better on the floor to that is where I put them.*smile*

I have got it to a point when there are no audible ( to me ) bass nulls or peaks and you can walk around the room and the sound remains the same.

I think there is a frequency peak in the area that controls imaging but it is so nice I am loathed to get rid of it as it sounds so wonderful.

I t would be interesting to measure it to see how well ( or badly ) I have done.

Trust me there will be peaks and nulls - seeing it will horrify you mate but its the best thing as all of a sudden you will hear it

 

[ellisdj]

PP, I hope you will forgive me for going of topic and posting a few pictures of my room to highlight my home made room treatments.

Please feel free to comment *smile*

Have you taken any REW measurements to see what they have done?

You need to see what your bass response at your MLP - thats critical job number 1 mate

I have done no measurements whatsoever it has all been many hours of experimentation, listening and learning my room, much of it is pure instinct and some luck thrown in.

The absorption lying on the floor was a gift courtesy of my boys who took great joy in running into my room and pushing over a couple of my rolls to wind me up but after a couple of time I realized they sounded better on the floor to that is where I put them.*smile*

I have got it to a point when there are no audible ( to me ) bass nulls or peaks and you can walk around the room and the sound remains the same.

I think there is a frequency peak in the area that controls imaging but it is so nice I am loathed to get rid of it as it sounds so wonderful.

I t would be interesting to measure it to see how well ( or badly ) I have done.

Trust me there will be peaks and nulls, same in all rooms - seeing it will horrify you mate but its the best thing as all of a sudden you will hear it, then its a case of fixing it

Give me your dimensions and where exactly the mlp is and I will do a quick guestimate for you

 

[Vladimir]

PP, I hope you will forgive me for going of topic and posting a few pictures of my room to highlight my home made room treatments.

Please feel free to comment *smile*

If you never told me it was room acoustics, id have thought you invited loads of muslim women around to listen to music

Electro's personal harem?

You say it like it's a bad thing. *pardon*

 

[tonky]

I thought he'd invited the Adams family relatives over.

 

[Vladimir]

I thought he'd invited the Adams family relatives over.

They are on the furry side. (cousin It)

 

[ellisdj]

Andrew mate I was at Electro for about 6 hours cant say I didnt enjoy it.

However I did enjoy the 3 hours with the xlo cables in the most......

 

[Andrewjvt]

Andrew mate I was at Electro for about 6 hours cant say I didnt enjoy it.

However I did enjoy the 3 hours with the xlo cables in the most......

I rest my case

 

[Andrewjvt]

PP, I hope you will forgive me for going of topic and posting a few pictures of my room to highlight my home made room treatments.

Please feel free to comment *smile*

If you never told me it was room acoustics, id have thought you invited loads of muslim women around to listen to music

Electro's personal harem?

You say it like it's a bad thing. *pardon*

If caught as risk from dismember with rusty panga