£500 mains cables or a psychiatrist , which one should i choose ??

[Anonymous]

JoelSim:maxflinn:
True Blue:

So when the going gets tough and someone actually stands up and starts to defend his beliefs based upon observation and theory (also called science) you resort to childish comedy images.

Its a shame really..........
ah , come on now tb , i can argue with the best of them believe me , common sense , and the ability to decipher and process the findings of tests carried out by both people with a vested interest and those without makes me come to my standing on cables, but im in a chillout mood , you wouldnt want the dreaded "thread locked" now would you

Max, seriously, try a Nordost. You will be very very surprised.

joel id love to try expensive cables , but cant afford to experiment right now , hopefully ill get a loan of a few cables some time and have a gander ...

 

[Anonymous]

True Blue:
Excuse me!! "trying to appear more intelligent" than what????? "by wording things as I am"???

Please furnish me with your qualifications???
dont sour a good thread now tb , its silly , we.ll debate again im sure , night night

 

[True Blue]

True Blue:Excuse me!! "trying to appear more intelligent" than what????? "by wording things as I am"???
Please furnish me with your qualifications???

Shall I start

1. Qualified Chief Engineering Officer Unlimited

2. Authorised Officer in charge of High Voltage installations

3. Degree in Mechanical Engineering

4. Hnd in Marine Engineering

5. Hnd in Electrical Engineering

 

[Anonymous]

tb , your admirable climb up a few rungs of the electrical engineering ladder has no bearing on the many many cable tests carried out by people far more qualified than you , you are a little blinded to that fact i fear , i on the other hand , am not , lets just leave it there .. nighty nighty ...

 

[True Blue]

maxflinn:tb , your admirable climb up a few rungs of the electrical engineering ladder has no bearing on the many many cable tests carried out by people far more qualified than you , you are a little blinded to that fact i fear , i on the other hand , am not , lets just leave it there .. nighty nighty ...
#

But "they" are not on this forum

I have responded to comments made by you

Again please furnish me with "your" actual qualifications

 

[Anonymous]

True Blue:
maxflinn:tb , your admirable climb up a few rungs of the electrical engineering ladder has no bearing on the many many cable tests carried out by people far more qualified than you , you are a little blinded to that fact i fear , i on the other hand , am not , lets just leave it there .. nighty nighty ...
#

But "they" are not on this forum

I have responded to comments made by you

Again please furnish me with "your" actual qualifications
again , you seem to be blinkered by "qualifications" do you need qualifications to process information ?? im a qualified brick paver , and very good at it too (if i had some work it would be nice) are there some other qualifications that you assumed i had ?? or that you think i should have , in order to process information ?? or to debate the merits or qualitys of cables ??

 

[plastic penguin]

maxflinn:True Blue:

maxflinn:tb , your admirable climb up a few rungs of the electrical engineering ladder has no bearing on the many many cable tests carried out by people far more qualified than you , you are a little blinded to that fact i fear , i on the other hand , am not , lets just leave it there .. nighty nighty ...
#

But "they" are not on this forum

I have responded to comments made by you

Again please furnish me with "your" actual qualifications

again , you seem to be blinkered by "qualifications" do you need qualifications to process information ?? im a qualified brick paver , and very good at it too (if i had some work it would be nice) are there some other qualifications that you assumed i had ?? or that you think i should have , in order to process information ?? or to debate the merits or qualitys of cables ??

max, crazy paving or tarmac? what's best for a garden path?

 

[Anonymous]

plastic penguin:maxflinn:True Blue:

maxflinn:tb , your admirable climb up a few rungs of the electrical engineering ladder has no bearing on the many many cable tests carried out by people far more qualified than you , you are a little blinded to that fact i fear , i on the other hand , am not , lets just leave it there .. nighty nighty ...
#

But "they" are not on this forum

I have responded to comments made by you

Again please furnish me with "your" actual qualifications

again , you seem to be blinkered by "qualifications" do you need qualifications to process information ?? im a qualified brick paver , and very good at it too (if i had some work it would be nice) are there some other qualifications that you assumed i had ?? or that you think i should have , in order to process information ?? or to debate the merits or qualitys of cables ??

max, crazy paving or tarmac? what's best for a garden path?
crazy paving or brick paving would obviously cost a little more , but would look nicer , and last longer , the type of material one uses is often dictated by the style of the house , surroundings , so a path in a new , contemporary house would often be complimented by sharp edged brick , clean lines etc , whereas an older house , might be better suited by stonewashed brick , more rustic if you like , of course budget always plays a part , but a path is not labour intensive (so long as you have a side entrance)

 

[plastic penguin]

maxflinn:crazy paving or brick paving would obviously cost a little more , but would look nicer , and last longer , the type of material one uses is often dictated by the style of the house , surroundings , so a path in a new , contemporary house would often be complimented by sharp edged brick , clean lines etc , whereas an older house , might be better suited by stonewashed brick , more rustic if you like , of course budget always plays a part , but a path is not labour intensive (so long as you have a side entrance)

Better than loose shingle - makes terrible marks on the carpet. Plus the wheelchair would struggle and probably snag in the spokes...hmmm, food for thought.

 

[Anonymous]

well if you want any advice , its no problem ...

bedtime

 

[plastic penguin]

maxflinn:

well if you want any advice , its no problem ...

bedtime

That's my good deed done for the day.

I'm off to make a mug of Kofi....

 

[the record spot]

I think I'd be really keen for a scientific explanation behind a phono wire costing X amount and another one costing ten times as much but aimed purely at the Home Audio/hifi market and delivering precisely the same end result. If anyone can deliver that answer today, I'd be keen to read it.

 

[Anonymous]

I would not buy a 500£ mains ever nor would i spend it on a shrink. If i had 500 to waste on power related items i would rather give my hifi a dedicated circuit breaker thingy

 

[Anonymous]

the record spot:I think I'd be really keen for a scientific explanation behind a phono wire costing X amount and another one costing ten times as much but aimed purely at the Home Audio/hifi market and delivering precisely the same end result. If anyone can deliver that answer today, I'd be keen to read it.me too , the web is full of various cable tests , and ive yet to read one where it was proven that cable a was better than cable b , ive read many where it was not proven , but where people said they could see , or hear an improvement , thats kinda where im coming from .(though i have to say , im reffering to hdmi cables and mains cables really , i know nothing nor have i read anything about phono , hifi etc cables or wires)

 

[Anonymous]

Might I suggest handbags at dawn, laydees?

Now, getting back to mains cables, can anyone post up actual or a link to verifable and quantifiable lab test results that show what non-subjective effect these uber-priced mains cables have?

For example, plugging into a perfectly ordinary mains outlet and comparing the noise on the theoretically perfect 50 Hz sine wave to the actual outlet from the wall and at the ends of "ordinary" and "special" mains leads?

I know full well from my job (subsea engineer in oil and gas with 20+ years experience) that cable attenuation effects can be appreciable over, say, a 10,000 metre long control umbilical, but I'm not so sure they'll be so important over 1.5 to 3.0 metres?

 

[Anonymous]

I reckon DCT treated crazy paving is the way to go. Pricey but you can see the difference.

 

[Anonymous]

just for the record , i have no wish to argue with anyone , many people have started threads on here , where they wanted to discuss cables that they owned , or aspired to own , i have seen many reccomendations for expensive cables , both hdmi , and mains , from people using this forum , every day , i see no reason why the merits of expensive cables cant be discussed in this thread ?? it doesnt have to turn into an argument , and why should it ?? we are talking about cables

, not somebodies wife , or dog , or footy team , or anything like that , why anyone would need to get remotely emotional i just cannot figure out ????

lets just have a nice debate ?? wheres the harm in that ??

 

[Anonymous]

Gander:I reckon DCT treated crazy paving is the way to go. Pricey but you can see the difference.
and i can prove it

 

[professorhat]

Darren Heal:can anyone post up actual or a link to verifable and quantifiable lab test results that show what non-subjective effect these uber-priced mains cables have?

From other posts I've read, I think this does (though have to admit I've not read the papers as I think they'll be fairly boring

)

 

[True Blue]

maxflinn:True Blue:How did Lenz and farday have a vested interest in cables?
I do not see any reason for the "thread locked" status I am merely asking you to back up your initial claims / inflammatory thread title with scientific evidence / theory, as I have demonstrated in my counter argument

i leave science to the scientists , there is nothing inflammatory about this thread , im sure most will agree , and , trying to appear more intelligent , as you are endevouring to do , by wording things as you are , and trying to catch me out , is making you look a little silly , i would respectfully suggest ??

Max, It is this precise comment that got my back up, nothing to do with cables, no not important, but surely you can see how this is interpreted?

 

[Anonymous]

no offense meant tb , its only a bit of crack , of course lenz and farday had no vested interest in cables , but my point was , there excistence , whether you understand or not their theories / work / findings , has no bearing on the many many unbiased tests of various cables ,conducted by knowledgable people , in a scientific way , that found very little to no difference between expensive , and cheap , cables that conform to the same standards ..

 

[eternaloptimist]

mains cables r us:Yet another mains cable forum thread that ends in personal insults, grow up guys. Frankly it's boring and quite pathetic, I got bored with other forums for this very reason, I come over here and find much the same!

Why are you surprised? When you sell snake oil, don't be surprised if you are challenged to prove the fanciful claims of the "mains cable industry". Electricity is not magic and follows physical laws - these are thoroughly understood and no Harry Potter effects can be summoned or "infused" into a cable design that will improve "clarity" (?whatever that is!) over a solid chunk of copper or similar good conductor. Genuine electronic engineers - rather than marketers - **** themselves laughing at the claims made. On a related topic, my personal favorite is that there is a "direction" which a speaker cable must point - I wonder if the electrons know which way they are supposed to go or if there are little signs saying "wrong way, go back, you have been hooked up the wrong way!".

If you don't like the heat get out of the proverbial AV kitchen.

Not feeling optimistic that this Homeopathy of the HiFi scene is given any credulity.

 

[True Blue]

"trying to appear more intelligent , as you are endevouring to do , by wording things as you are , and trying to catch me out , is making you look a little silly , i would respectfully suggest ??"

This is the offensive part. More intelligent than what? you? why do you feel the requirement to question my intelligence, trying to catch you out? again no, you asked for a debate I gave my side of the argument backed up with physical laws, and expected you, as an intelligent person to respond in kind.

 

[Anonymous]

georgejack:Blimey, it's a bit argumentative here tonight, btw, Man U 4-0 Milan.

... Of course it is .... it's a cable thread!! They ALL end up that way !

 

[Anonymous]

eternaloptimist:
mains cables r us:Yet another mains cable forum thread that ends in personal insults, grow up guys. Frankly it's boring and quite pathetic, I got bored with other forums for this very reason, I come over here and find much the same!

Why are you surprised? When you sell snake oil, don't be surprised if you are challenged to prove the fanciful claims of the "mains cable industry". Electricity is not magic and follows physical laws - these are thoroughly understood and no Harry Potter effects can be summoned or "infused" into a cable design that will improve "clarity" (?whatever that is!) over a solid chunk of copper or similar good conductor. Genuine electronic engineers - rather than marketers - **** themselves laughing at the claims made. On a related topic, my personal favorite is that there is a "direction" which a speaker cable must point - I wonder if the electrons know which way they are supposed to go or if there are little signs saying "wrong way, go back, you have been hooked up the wrong way!".

If you don't like the heat get out of the proverbial AV kitchen.

Not feeling optimistic that this Homeopathy of the HiFi scene is given any credulity.

God, that's not Steve is it ??