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cheeseboy

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ellisdj said:
Changing the metal links out is not rubbish advice - not changing the links is rubbish advice

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http://www.futureshop.co.uk/van-den-hul-the-magnum-hybrid-jumpers-1-pair-p-8891.html#.U2qf_VeKyMI

Oh no Its just me who thinks that these make a difference

can you provide any links that are not places that sell them or just marketing foo? People such as the Audio Engineering Society for example who carry out independent tests http://www.aes.org/ on some of the things you like to champion.

Given that hifi accessory manufacturers get told of and told to change things by the asa should tell you something about their marketing strategies...
 

cheeseboy

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Vladimir said:
ellisdj I see in your signature you use JPlay. That explains everything. :D

... and a "audiophile" sata cable. However Jplay is meant to buffer the music in to memory thus totally negating the need for an "audiophile" sata cable. :?

And yes, I put the word audiophile in quotes as there is no such thing as an audiophile sata cable. That's just marketing foo..
 

Vladimir

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cheeseboy said:
Vladimir said:
ellisdj I see in your signature you use JPlay. That explains everything. :D

... and a "audiophile" sata cable. However Jplay is meant to buffer the music in to memory thus totally negating the need for an "audiophile" sata cable. :?

And yes, I put the word audiophile in quotes as there is no such thing as an audiophile sata cable. That's just marketing foo..

JRiver plays from memory. Why would you need a special 99 euro "audiophile" application for that task? Hmmm...
 

ellisdj

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Vladimir said:
cheeseboy said:
Vladimir said:
ellisdj I see in your signature you use JPlay. That explains everything. :D

... and a "audiophile" sata cable. However Jplay is meant to buffer the music in to memory thus totally negating the need for an "audiophile" sata cable. :?

And yes, I put the word audiophile in quotes as there is no such thing as an audiophile sata cable. That's just marketing foo..

JRiver plays from memory. Why would you need a special 99 euro "audiophile" application for that task? Hmmm...

I have tried J River - but it pales in the shadow of what JPlay does to your Audio PC.

J River off a strandard PC sounded terrible compared to the £4k Meridian streaming solution I had at the time.

JPLay and an audio PC optimised in key areas destroys £4k worth of Meridian Streaming solution, there difference is about 100% better.

Where do you live - come and hear it?
 

cheeseboy

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ellisdj said:
I have tried J River - but it pales in the shadow of what JPlay does to your Audio PC.

J River off a strandard PC sounded terrible compared to the £4k Meridian streaming solution I had at the time.

JPLay and an audio PC optimised in key areas destroys £4k worth of Meridian Streaming solution, there difference is about 100% better.

Where do you live - come and hear it?

still doesn't explain why you need an "audiophile" sata cable when everything buffers in to memory?
 

Vladimir

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Thanks for the invite mate, I live in Macedonia.

I had JPlay installed in 2013 and heard no sound improvements over JRiver or foobar. It only created conflicts and issues to my PC. I share the opinion of JRiver, foobar and dbpoweramp developers that JPlay is a scam.

:wave:
 

ellisdj

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cheeseboy said:
ellisdj said:
I have tried J River - but it pales in the shadow of what JPlay does to your Audio PC.

J River off a strandard PC sounded terrible compared to the £4k Meridian streaming solution I had at the time.

JPLay and an audio PC optimised in key areas destroys £4k worth of Meridian Streaming solution, there difference is about 100% better.

Where do you live - come and hear it?

still doesn't explain why you need an "audiophile" sata cable when everything buffers in to memory?

You wouldnt accept the explanation I gave you anyway - so I am going to save myself the bother of typing it.

Vladimir - thats a shame you dont lIve in the UK - JPLay does need a bit of setting up - especially to get the best sound from it - you have to change quite a few settings.

They released 5.2 late last year - I was feeding back on the beta testing - for me one of their betas just set my system on fire - not literally.

That is now their official 5.2.

Its free to try for as long as you want - maybe give it another go - but join the forum and let people help you select the right settings.

The owners of jplay will help you personally - they can log into your computer remotely and set it up for you you just need to ask them. They really are good as gold. And JPlay has been award winning at the Munich High End Show so they are doing somethign right.

#Its the timing of the music with JPlay - the timing is amazing and music is all about timing!
 

cheeseboy

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ellisdj said:
You wouldnt accept the explanation I gave you anyway - so I am going to save myself the bother of typing it.

what, as in there isn't one and you can't explain why you've spent the money on something that's not needed?
 

Vladimir

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ellisdj said:
They released 5.2 late last year - I was feeding back on the beta testing - for me one of their betas just set my system on fire - not literally.

Its free to try for as long as you want - maybe give it another go - but join the forum and let people help you select the right settings.

The owners of jplay will help you personally - they can log into your computer remotely and set it up for you you just need to ask them. They really are good as gold. And JPlay has been award winning at the Munich High End Show so they are doing somethign right.

#Its the timing of the music with JPlay - the timing is amazing and music is all about timing!

Diggin_a_hole.gif
 

peterpiper

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to the op...... have you got a cd player you can try on the system or borrow one , it really is worth trying this option, if that sounds good , the problem is with the turntable, make sure the cartridge is at the right tracking weight and aligned correct for starters

hope you get a sorted with a good sound
 

ellisdj

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cheeseboy said:
ellisdj said:
You wouldnt accept the explanation I gave you anyway - so I am going to save myself the bother of typing it.

what, as in there isn't one and you can't explain why you've spent the money on something that's not needed?

Nope its not that - The advice I take is from a man who develops products that enhance the audio pc, these are cheap by comparison to the norm - his beleif against a lot of contradiction and riducule is that operating system link to the motherboard is the most important optimisation of the audio pc - he believes that all processes and hardware go through the this link and that it affects SQ

So that is the Sata cable from the HD or SSD in my case - he believes its the first thing to upgrade - I think second - power supply is first.

You wont have this - but I am willing to have you come here and listen - in fact that would be great. Where do you live??
 

TrevC

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ellisdj said:
Changing the metal links out is not rubbish advice - not changing the links is rubbish advice

Jumper Cables

https://www.russandrews.com/category.asp?lookup=0&region=UK&currency=GBP&customer_id=PAA0799056314872CGDPKCRHOZXPMXQN&cat_id=PSPEAJUMP

http://www.telluriumq.com/jumpers-bi-wire-links/

http://www.gspaudio.co.uk/interconnects.htm

http://www.futureshop.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=8894#.U2qfcVeKyMI

http://www.futureshop.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=3828#.U2qffFeKyMI

Silver anniversary jumper cables http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/231167028261?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108&ff19=0

http://www.cardas.com/jumpers.php

http://www.stoneaudio.co.uk/?google=3117&gclid=COSOn7bbmr4CFccSwwodBTcALQ

http://www.futureshop.co.uk/van-den-hul-the-magnum-hybrid-jumpers-1-pair-p-8891.html#.U2qf_VeKyMI

Oh no Its just me who thinks that these make a difference

They sell them!!!!! :rofl:
 

steve_1979

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Al ears said:
Quite a lot of posts to try and determine why his 'speakers sound likes if there are pillows in front of them'.

Basically we have determined that they are wired up correctly and nothing else.

Presuming his RP6 has an Exact cartridge fitted then, until he can try another source (CD?) to see if produces the same 'stuffy' response, there is little more we can do to advise.

It could be the cartridge is at fault but we cannot know for sure.

Changing the source has to be the OP's next move. Borrow a CD player?

If this still produces a sound he doesn't like then it's off to the dealer to try some different speakers.

Good point. Does the OP own a DVD player he could use to see how CD's sound compared to LP's?
 

Vladimir

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TrevC said:
ellisdj said:
Changing the metal links out is not rubbish advice - not changing the links is rubbish advice

Jumper Cables

https://www.russandrews.com/category.asp?lookup=0&region=UK&currency=GBP&customer_id=PAA0799056314872CGDPKCRHOZXPMXQN&cat_id=PSPEAJUMP

http://www.telluriumq.com/jumpers-bi-wire-links/

http://www.gspaudio.co.uk/interconnects.htm

http://www.futureshop.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=8894#.U2qfcVeKyMI

http://www.futureshop.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=3828#.U2qffFeKyMI

Silver anniversary jumper cables http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/231167028261?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108&ff19=0

http://www.cardas.com/jumpers.php

http://www.stoneaudio.co.uk/?google=3117&gclid=COSOn7bbmr4CFccSwwodBTcALQ

http://www.futureshop.co.uk/van-den-hul-the-magnum-hybrid-jumpers-1-pair-p-8891.html#.U2qf_VeKyMI

Oh no Its just me who thinks that these make a difference

They sell them!!!!! :rofl:

Where do you live?
 

ellisdj

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Essex

They only sell what people buy - people buy what they like or in this game what they think improves their sound
 

cheeseboy

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ellisdj said:
Nope its not that - The advice I take is from a man who develops products that enhance the audio pc, these are cheap by comparison to the norm - his beleif against a lot of contradiction and riducule is that operating system link to the motherboard is the most important optimisation of the audio pc - he believes that all processes and hardware go through the this link and that it affects SQ

So that is the Sata cable from the HD or SSD in my case - he believes its the first thing to upgrade - I think second - power supply is first.

You wont have this - but I am willing to have you come here and listen - in fact that would be great. Where do you live??

credit where it's due, thank you for replying :)

Now the bad bit. The guy that you took the advice from is wrong. Most of the opertaing system loads in to memory. If you've already optimised your pc, then chances are it's not using a page file either and everything needed is already in memory, and the playback software is buffering from memory.

You can check this by pressing control + alt + delete (as I beleieve you are still running windows) and bringing up task manager. Click on processes and it will show you what is running from memory and how much memory that application is taking up. It is possible to run and entire operating system and everything it does just from memory.

This means that at no point in playback is the sata cable or the hard drive (mechanical or ssd) is used. Kind of like somebody championing expensive power cables then claiming it's all running off battery power if that makes sense?

Also if we look at it logically from a computer point of view, if the sata cable did indeed have an effect on playback, other than being borked, then surely it would matter what sata cables have been used at every variable in the files life. For example, if what you are saying is true, then if I copied a file from my computer, emailed it to you and two other people it would sound totally different? Just as if you sent me a file, it would sound different. However, if we were to examine those files in say audacity, the waveform would be exactly the same, which would, I'm afraid, prove that the sata cable has no effect whatsoever. In order for the sata cable to effect the music as you are saying, it would have to actually alter the waveform of the data, but because the sata cable doesn't know it's audio file, how can it do that? If that was also the case an easier test would be to copy a music file from your computer to an external hard drive (thus passing it through a different sata cable) then back again. Then play the two files (the one copied and the one not copied) and they should sound different if the theory about sata cables is correct.

I would take you up on the offer, but I don't live in the uk anymore I'm afraid.
 

lindsayt

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Thanks Major, but I'm based in Thailand. :grin:
That makes a big difference. It's easy to forget how easy it is for us in the EU, USA, Japan to buy and sell great sounding hi-fi at affordable prices when compared to countries like Thailand where hi-fi equipment is not so easily available.
 

ellisdj

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You are exactly right there - it does matter what file has gone through in its life - from disc getting onto the storage ssd.

I have that covered as well - come and spend the day here and look / listen. It might surpise you :)

I cant do your test - task manager is shut down for playback as with nealry every other service - optimisation of windows for audio playback - works a treat
 

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cheeseboy said:
ellisdj said:
Nope its not that - The advice I take is from a man who develops products that enhance the audio pc, these are cheap by comparison to the norm - his beleif against a lot of contradiction and riducule is that operating system link to the motherboard is the most important optimisation of the audio pc - he believes that all processes and hardware go through the this link and that it affects SQ

So that is the Sata cable from the HD or SSD in my case - he believes its the first thing to upgrade - I think second - power supply is first.

You wont have this - but I am willing to have you come here and listen - in fact that would be great. Where do you live??

credit where it's due, thank you for replying :)

Now the bad bit. The guy that you took the advice from is wrong. Most of the opertaing system loads in to memory. If you've already optimised your pc, then chances are it's not using a page file either and everything needed is already in memory, and the playback software is buffering from memory.

You can check this by pressing control + alt + delete (as I beleieve you are still running windows) and bringing up task manager. Click on processes and it will show you what is running from memory and how much memory that application is taking up. It is possible to run and entire operating system and everything it does just from memory.

This means that at no point in playback is the sata cable or the hard drive (mechanical or ssd) is used. Kind of like somebody championing expensive power cables then claiming it's all running off battery power if that makes sense?

Also if we look at it logically from a computer point of view, if the sata cable did indeed have an effect on playback, other than being borked, then surely it would matter what sata cables have been used at every variable in the files life. For example, if what you are saying is true, then if I copied a file from my computer, emailed it to you and two other people it would sound totally different? Just as if you sent me a file, it would sound different. However, if we were to examine those files in say audacity, the waveform would be exactly the same, which would, I'm afraid, prove that the sata cable has no effect whatsoever. In order for the sata cable to effect the music as you are saying, it would have to actually alter the waveform of the data, but because the sata cable doesn't know it's audio file, how can it do that? If that was also the case an easier test would be to copy a music file from your computer to an external hard drive (thus passing it through a different sata cable) then back again. Then play the two files (the one copied and the one not copied) and they should sound different if the theory about sata cables is correct.

I would take you up on the offer, but I don't live in the uk anymore I'm afraid.

I fear you are wasting your time trying to explain things. Some people believe in fairies and there is nothing you can do to change their minds.

Chris
 

jamesrfisher

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peterpiper said:
to the op...... have you got a cd player you can try on the system or borrow one , it really is worth trying this option, if that sounds good , the problem is with the turntable, make sure the cartridge is at the right tracking weight and aligned correct for starters

hope you get a sorted with a good sound

I think this is very important. Was the turntable set up for the op or did you do it yourself. Even if it was set up by the seller there may have been some issues in transit. The wooly sound can easily be caused by this. Try seting the tracking weight and bias again using the instructions provided with the tt
 

cheeseboy

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ellisdj said:
I am prepared to my money where my mouth is - cant say fairer than that.......

ok then, copy a file to an external hard drive and back again, then show us the waveform pattern from the copied file to the non copied file, lets see if there is a difference. Nobody needs to travel anywhere and it would prove if it is changing the sound without the pesky kit of human meat getting in the way.
 

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