Vladimir - need to discuss speakers

[Andrewjvt]

I mentioned the Crown amps not because I like to push the brand, QSC or other is as good or better. The main advantage is in the integrated active crossover. You can set each amplifier at certain frequency range and slope. Get a bigger amp for the bass drivers, smaller ones for mids and highs. You'll notice same thing is done with all manufacturer actives, more power available to the bass. Logical.

You can go the classical path, which most people would find more comfortable with, getting an active crossover + power amps. In that case you can get any power amp to do the job, no need for integrated DSP.

How to attenuate each driver set correctly is easy. You can use a simple mic and record at your listening position. You really have no use for an anechoic chamber, you want to take the room in the equation. Adjust drivers to get inroom flat frequency response. Simple as that. You don't even need to buy this measuring equipment, lpv can help you with this I'm sure. 

At this point, if you decide to get these K100s, best would be to get the biggest amp that would later do bass duties and enjoy the speakers as passives for a while, learn their character, interaction with the room, get comfortable, savor the journey. Take some mic measurements. After months or a year if you feel it's a worthwhile investment to go active then you can get two more amps and go full monty, no crossovers. Those WA K100 crossovers reek of quality, so I wouldn't just rush towards active conversion. 

 

Just checked them out briefly quite cheap too.
Do these amps make fan noise do you know?

 

[Andrewjvt]

What you gain in spending less for Kit speakers you then probably loose when selling on.

Not that many folks buy ready made Kits.

It may or may not be difficult to shift them on in time.

 

I think you need to except the resale is **** on these thats why i never built the kits brand new as i could have got original active 100s instead but 2nd hand kits for 1000 bucks is very good value on this case imo

 

[drummerman]

What you gain in spending less for Kit speakers you then probably loose when selling on.

Not that many folks buy ready made Kits.

It may or may not be difficult to shift them on in time.

I think you need to except the resale is **** on these thats why i never built the kits brand new as i could have got original active 100s instead but 2nd hand kits for 1000 bucks is very good value on this case imo

Cool. Reads like a very interesting project.

Didn't you have Hegel or am I wrong? Why did you get rid of your old system? Was pretty High End if I remember.

Sorry if I asked this before, had a long day at work

 

[Vladimir]

Just checked them out briefly quite cheap too. Do these amps make fan noise do you know?

The fans kick in when you push the amp hard. If you are bothered by the fans you can replace them with super quiet ones. HT guys do it all the time.

Low price // High power // Convex cooling

Pick only two.

 

[drummerman]

What you gain in spending less for Kit speakers you then probably loose when selling on.

Not that many folks buy ready made Kits.

It may or may not be difficult to shift them on in time.

I think you need to except the resale is **** on these thats why i never built the kits brand new as i could have got original active 100s instead but 2nd hand kits for 1000 bucks is very good value on this case imo

Cool. Reads like a very interesting project.

Didn't you have Hegel or am I wrong? Why did you get rid of your old system? Was pretty High End if I remember.

Sorry if I asked this before, had a long day at work

1. Could get better sq from active speakers. 2. Wanted rid of any equipment i brought from musicraft.

Fair enuff

 

[Andrewjvt]

What you gain in spending less for Kit speakers you then probably loose when selling on.

Not that many folks buy ready made Kits.

It may or may not be difficult to shift them on in time.

 

I think you need to except the resale is **** on these thats why i never built the kits brand new as i could have got original active 100s instead but 2nd hand kits for 1000 bucks is very good value on this case imo

 

Cool. Reads like a very interesting project.

Didn't you have Hegel or am I wrong? Why did you get rid of your old system? Was pretty High End if I remember.

Sorry if I asked this before, had a long day at work

1. Could get better sq from active speakers.
2. Wanted rid of any equipment i brought from musicraft.

Since then ive purchased the benchmark dac and its much better sq than the hegel imo.and ive planned to get active atcs to go with it. Which i will still do anyway.
Either 20asl pro or 50asl pro.

But these kits have popped up and seem a temptation.

 

[Vladimir]

Since then ive purchased the benchmark dac and its much better sq than the hegel imo.and ive planned to get active atcs to go with it. Which i will still do anyway. Either 20asl pro or 50asl pro.

But these kits have popped up and seem a temptation.

In that case a hard pass on the K100s. What would be the point?

 

[Andrewjvt]

Since then ive purchased the benchmark dac and its much better sq than the hegel imo.and ive planned to get active atcs to go with it. Which i will still do anyway. Either 20asl pro or 50asl pro.

But these kits have popped up and seem a temptation.

In that case a hard pass on the K100s. What would be the point?

So many temptations along the way.

Ive heard both now.
Active scm100 and k100 kits and i cant even think how they would compare.

All i can remember is both sounded good

 

[Vladimir]

Since then ive purchased the benchmark dac and its much better sq than the hegel imo.and ive planned to get active atcs to go with it. Which i will still do anyway. Either 20asl pro or 50asl pro.

But these kits have popped up and seem a temptation.

In that case a hard pass on the K100s. What would be the point?

So many temptations along the way.

Ive heard both now. Active scm100 and k100 kits and i cant even think how they would compare.

All i can remember is both sounded good

You want real ATCs, get real ATCs. Get the ones that will last you 20 years.

 

[nopiano]

Since then ive purchased the benchmark dac and its much better sq than the hegel imo.and ive planned to get active atcs to go with it. Which i will still do anyway. Either 20asl pro or 50asl pro.

But these kits have popped up and seem a temptation.

In that case a hard pass on the K100s. What would be the point?

So many temptations along the way.

Ive heard both now. Active scm100 and k100 kits and i cant even think how they would compare.

All i can remember is both sounded good

You want real ATCs, get real ATCs. Get the ones that will last you 20 years.

Sounds like good advice to me! While waiting for my new ones, I've been interested in the steady stream of used models on eBay. There's definitely a bargain to be had if you are patient and know what you want. (Just in the last two day an ATC poweramp less than six months old went for about half price, and some speakers like I've just ordered sold for two grand, versus list price if £3,750. In the wrong colour, mind you!)

 

[bigboss]

2. Wanted rid of any equipment i brought from musicraft.

Why?

 

[plastic penguin]

@Andrew

Stop faffing around and just buy a pair of proper ATC's off Ebay. No kit will replicate the genuine article - and you'll get a hefty discount off normal retail price.

Or buy some AVIs and add a thumping big sub.

 

[Andrewjvt]

@Andrew

Stop faffing around and just buy a pair of proper ATC's off Ebay. No kit will replicate the genuine article - and you'll get a hefty discount off normal retail price.

Or buy some AVIs and add a thumping big sub.

I agree with you here
But avi out of question as dont have connections i want and they as good as atc scm11 and good amp but i crave more like scm50 or 100 and you cant get that with avi and sub.

Id rather have scm20pro asl
These rock also

Just seen scm50 on ebay

 

[Vladimir]

Only $8,751 starting bid price.

 

[Andrewjvt]

Only $8,751 starting bid price.

Buy it now £2500 open to offers.
Mk2 amp will need the serial numbers to check full details.
Look pretty tidy and can be vaneers done for £200.

Id have them serviced and checked at factory though.

Them stuck to the benchmark
Id be happy

 

[Vladimir]

Only $8,751 starting bid price.

Buy it now £2500 open to offers. Mk2 amp will need the serial numbers to check full details. Look pretty tidy and can be vaneers done for £200.

Id have them serviced and checked at factory though.

Them stuck to the benchmark Id be happy

Very happy I reckon.

I like the veneer, just not the hue of the stain. A touch lighter or more red cherry perhaps would click better.

Woah! I like the looks of these monkey coffins best.

 

[Andrewjvt]

Only $8,751 starting bid price.

Buy it now £2500 open to offers. Mk2 amp will need the serial numbers to check full details. Look pretty tidy and can be vaneers done for £200.

Id have them serviced and checked at factory though.

Them stuck to the benchmark Id be happy

Very happy I reckon.

I like the veneer, just not the hue of the stain. A touch lighter or more red cherry perhaps would click better. 

Woah! I like the looks of these monkey coffins best. 

Ive seen them a few months ago in the flesh(not those particular ones but same 150sl)

Nothing can prepare you for the actual size in the flesh.