Son_of_SJ said:
I know, but it would not be any better.
If a FALD TV cannot cut it then the edge lit one has no chance. Also the nit value of the Sony was not much higher than the LG.
I know, but it would not be any better.
If a FALD TV cannot cut it then the edge lit one has no chance. Also the nit value of the Sony was not much higher than the LG.
not worth changing that oled Gel until a TV can do all thats needed - none of them do at the minute - few years away until that is the case
Gel. Just be happy with what you have it's still one of the best TVs on the market and I didn't think you liked HDR anyway.
I have the Panasonic, I'm not interested in the test, and even if it came rock bottom I'd still be happy with my purchase.
I have the Panasonic, I'm not interested in the test, and even if it came rock bottom I'd still be happy with my purchase.
bigboss
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Shootout reported in Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2016/07/25/lcd-crushes-oled-in-public-tv-shoot-out-shock/#29f9cfe06fde
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2016/07/25/lcd-crushes-oled-in-public-tv-shoot-out-shock/#29f9cfe06fde
bigboss
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Would be the motion handeling and lag over nits and all else hdr etc as i bet they all look stunning.
If i were buying one now id go for the samsung though
If i were buying one now id go for the samsung though
bigboss
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Yep, I won't be spending on the hobby again for years now. I have kept my home cinema system 9 years and I intend to keep the TV the same, until it breaks.nugget2014 said:
My dad paid for it on his John Lewis card anyway because I didn't have enough, and now we can't get it back, it would take years to spend that sort of money in John Lewis again.
bigboss said:
I see that your post #58 overlooks my post # 21 .... and the title of John Archer's piece is still misleading!
bigboss
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For what it's worth, I've viewed the Sony, LG and Panasonic in both JL and Curry's (Currys had the better viewing conditions with the lights being much lower).
I have to say that whilst in some scenes the LG looks great, in others it simply has too much pop with unaturally deep colours.
Obviously, non of the tv's were calibrated so you could blame the settings, but just like the audience in the test, I found the brightness of the Panasonic 902b very captivating with HDR and the LG a little matt looking at times (somehow the picture didn't shine in areas you'd expect it too), and natural in shade 1 second but overblown the other. In fact, I thought in HDR mode, the Panasonic was actually superior colour wise to the LG - eg the 902b's built in HDR demo uses brightly coloured fruit and veg and the colours just seemed better than on the LG, really in your face, but still natural. By contrast the LG's jellyfish demo, looks completely un-natural and over saturated as does the fantasy world scene and the moon light sweep (where the shadow sweeps across the moon) looks wrong due to the lack of greys. The other space scenes were impresive on the LG, but I can't help feeling there's more to a good picture than just black and in that regard, the Panasonic looked sharper, more natural and much brighter when it mattered eg several water scenes with direct sunlight, leaving the LG feeling very flat and dull in comparison.
Which would I buy? I don't know. I'm drawn to the Panasonic although at 58" it's too large for my viewing distances as in the shop on SD tv it looked terrible from 10 feet! I think 55" is probably the limit or maybe even 50" with non HD /4K for me.
Still torn between an LG e6 or a 55" 902b if they ever make one! Couldn't rule the Sony out either. The Samsung 9000 on the other hand, despite winning the audience test, was a little like the LG - overblown at times and it just left me feeling that whilst some scenes were fantastic, others were severly lacking.
I have to say that whilst in some scenes the LG looks great, in others it simply has too much pop with unaturally deep colours.
Obviously, non of the tv's were calibrated so you could blame the settings, but just like the audience in the test, I found the brightness of the Panasonic 902b very captivating with HDR and the LG a little matt looking at times (somehow the picture didn't shine in areas you'd expect it too), and natural in shade 1 second but overblown the other. In fact, I thought in HDR mode, the Panasonic was actually superior colour wise to the LG - eg the 902b's built in HDR demo uses brightly coloured fruit and veg and the colours just seemed better than on the LG, really in your face, but still natural. By contrast the LG's jellyfish demo, looks completely un-natural and over saturated as does the fantasy world scene and the moon light sweep (where the shadow sweeps across the moon) looks wrong due to the lack of greys. The other space scenes were impresive on the LG, but I can't help feeling there's more to a good picture than just black and in that regard, the Panasonic looked sharper, more natural and much brighter when it mattered eg several water scenes with direct sunlight, leaving the LG feeling very flat and dull in comparison.
Which would I buy? I don't know. I'm drawn to the Panasonic although at 58" it's too large for my viewing distances as in the shop on SD tv it looked terrible from 10 feet! I think 55" is probably the limit or maybe even 50" with non HD /4K for me.
Still torn between an LG e6 or a 55" 902b if they ever make one! Couldn't rule the Sony out either. The Samsung 9000 on the other hand, despite winning the audience test, was a little like the LG - overblown at times and it just left me feeling that whilst some scenes were fantastic, others were severly lacking.
I was there and most of us thought the LG actually rendered the colour as it should be and what your eyes would see.
Well I guess it will always come down to opinion.
In some of the demo scenes I saw, the LG was superb - there was a costume musical / drama scene and the faces and clothes and everything really had very nice natural beige tones. On other sources though, greens looked fluorescent especially on grass eg because of this, I got the store to switch sources to a pre-recorded BT Sport 4K football match and again the pitch was fluorescent looking. The tv was also superb with motion (which kind of flies in the face of the WhatHiFi review as I didn't see any of the jerkiness they talked about, albeit maybe football is too slow to cause issue). However, the crowd was another matter and when a goal was scored, the jumping around of so many people did cause so slight issues although whether that was BT's encoding or LG's tv is impossible to say. Motion was ver good though.
Don't get me wrong, the LG is superb but for me, at least on the settings I've seen in both shops now, it has 3 main issues:
1. Oversaturated colours, especially greens in HDR which can result in them looking un-natural
2. On blacks and dull scenes especially, the screen is very matt (not sure if this is the result of an anti-reflective coating or just a characteristic of OLED). However, to me it looked un-natural in some scenes compared to the shine I was seeing on others.
3. The lack of greys was very pronounced in the Moon Sweep demo as the moon went from almost white to black in avery defined line as the shadow swept across, which again looked un-natural as you would expect a grey margin as a transition between light and dark.
By contrast the 902b, had very few faults I could discern. I couldn't see anybacklighting issue or the overblown highlights I'd read about, instead the picture looked superb. My only critisism would be that upscaling was very poor with SD which meant that you need to really pay attention to the panel size because if you sit too close it's going to be very apparent - by poor I mean pixellated and heavily artefaced - I was watching BBC news in SD.
As for the Sony, saw it in JL, and it looked very nice in there. Curry's didn't have it which was a shame as thier viewing area was much darker and much more like a home viewing area.
Overall though, I feel so far, there's very little to choose between them with 4K / HD. The Sony to me is the more middle of the road set. Very impressive but it lacks the dynamics of the other two sets. The LG is overblown at times but very impressive on blacks and motion. The Panasonic in 4K HDR was the most impressive to me on non black pictures, somehting which LG seemed to avoid in their demo mostly - maybe because they can't compete on brightness? The impressive pictures on the 902B from memory were the surfing, the lake looking into the sunlight and the fruit in HDR. In the fruit scene, I felt the colours were up there with LG's OLED. In the city night scene, black levels weren't OLED standard but nevertheless, very good.
In some of the demo scenes I saw, the LG was superb - there was a costume musical / drama scene and the faces and clothes and everything really had very nice natural beige tones. On other sources though, greens looked fluorescent especially on grass eg because of this, I got the store to switch sources to a pre-recorded BT Sport 4K football match and again the pitch was fluorescent looking. The tv was also superb with motion (which kind of flies in the face of the WhatHiFi review as I didn't see any of the jerkiness they talked about, albeit maybe football is too slow to cause issue). However, the crowd was another matter and when a goal was scored, the jumping around of so many people did cause so slight issues although whether that was BT's encoding or LG's tv is impossible to say. Motion was ver good though.
Don't get me wrong, the LG is superb but for me, at least on the settings I've seen in both shops now, it has 3 main issues:
1. Oversaturated colours, especially greens in HDR which can result in them looking un-natural
2. On blacks and dull scenes especially, the screen is very matt (not sure if this is the result of an anti-reflective coating or just a characteristic of OLED). However, to me it looked un-natural in some scenes compared to the shine I was seeing on others.
3. The lack of greys was very pronounced in the Moon Sweep demo as the moon went from almost white to black in avery defined line as the shadow swept across, which again looked un-natural as you would expect a grey margin as a transition between light and dark.
By contrast the 902b, had very few faults I could discern. I couldn't see anybacklighting issue or the overblown highlights I'd read about, instead the picture looked superb. My only critisism would be that upscaling was very poor with SD which meant that you need to really pay attention to the panel size because if you sit too close it's going to be very apparent - by poor I mean pixellated and heavily artefaced - I was watching BBC news in SD.
As for the Sony, saw it in JL, and it looked very nice in there. Curry's didn't have it which was a shame as thier viewing area was much darker and much more like a home viewing area.
Overall though, I feel so far, there's very little to choose between them with 4K / HD. The Sony to me is the more middle of the road set. Very impressive but it lacks the dynamics of the other two sets. The LG is overblown at times but very impressive on blacks and motion. The Panasonic in 4K HDR was the most impressive to me on non black pictures, somehting which LG seemed to avoid in their demo mostly - maybe because they can't compete on brightness? The impressive pictures on the 902B from memory were the surfing, the lake looking into the sunlight and the fruit in HDR. In the fruit scene, I felt the colours were up there with LG's OLED. In the city night scene, black levels weren't OLED standard but nevertheless, very good.
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