The Car Thread.

[GSV Ethics Gradient]

Like you, I sometimes get bored with EVs and supercars, when the best fun is often a basic Clio!

evo is worth a look, and it's telling that there's an increasing focus (no pun intended) on older cars.

 

[GSV Ethics Gradient]

There's a test of the BMW M4CS in this week's Autocar. 0-60 in 2.9s, 0-100 in 6.7. The McLaren F1 did those in 3.2 and 6.3. Barking.

Still, at £122k pre-options, it ain't a cheap car. Or a handsome one...

 

[plastic penguin]

There's a review comparing the new BMW with the Giulia Cloverleaf. The new BMW M3 is faster but I'm not one for speed is everything.

Also why are a lot of new cars have a cyber look? I noticed it with the new Mini. They look far from pretty.

This review says the M3 can be driven at 10/10th, whereas the Alfa is a 7/10th. But who wants or needs to drive a car at full whack, unless you are using them on a track day?

The Alfa is prettier and doesn't look like it was designed by a robot. And the Alfa is more soulful and sounds more natural. As always, a fast Beema is needlessly over complicated with settings.

The Giulia still gets my vote. You can keep your Beema.

View: https://youtu.be/qALGeNSRxqA?si=pXfenVG4K1rJa5og

 

[Al ears]

There's a review comparing the new BMW with the Giulia Cloverleaf. The new BMW M3 is faster but I'm not one for speed is everything.

Also why are a lot of new cars have a cyber look? I noticed it with the new Mini. They look far from pretty.

This review says the M3 can be driven at 10/10th, whereas the Alfa is a 7/10th. But who wants or needs to drive a car at full whack, unless you are using them on a track day?

The Alfa is prettier and doesn't look like it was designed by a robot. And the Alfa is more soulful and sounds more natural. As always, a fast Beema is needlessly over complicated with settings.

The Giulia still gets my vote. You can keep your Beema.

View: https://youtu.be/qALGeNSRxqA?si=pXfenVG4K1rJa5og

The Alfa certainly is a looker, however I would need an estate so that's Alfa out of the question.

 

[plastic penguin]

The Alfa certainly is a looker, however I would need an estate so that's Alfa out of the question.

Yeah, that's the only fault. Alfa have always made very pretty Sportwagons (estate) but Alfa have said they didn't want a SW otherwise it'll take sales away from the Stelvio SUV.

I still say there's a place for an estate version. That would look wicked 😍

 

[Al ears]

Yeah, that's the only fault. Alfa have always made very pretty Sportwagons (estate) but Alfa have said they didn't want a SW otherwise it'll take sales away from the Stelvio SUV.

I still say there's a place for an estate version. That would look wicked 😍

Certainly would.
They are missing a trick by not producing one, not everyone wants an SUV......
And this is where BMW / Audi come into their own.

 

[plastic penguin]

There are other BMW vs Alfa comparisons, and it pretty much mirrors the above video.

It's a BMW M135i vs Alfa 147 3.2 GTA. The Beema is more up to date, running costs are lower, petrol consumption is better. The steering is super quick but feels dead compared to the Alfa. The exhaust note on the Beema sounds artificial.

It's really good to drive on the limit.... but there's a disconnect, almost isolated between the car and driver.

The Alfa is the polar opposite: Not quite as fast, not as good on petrol, the ride is less comfortable but the driving experience is leagues above the Beema. The steering is just as quick but you feel apart of the car -- lots more feeling. It's more gratifying as a drivers car. And that Busso V6, although older, sounds more natural.

This filters down to their smaller engine variants. My 2.0 Alfa feels great to drive.

Beema = great to drive on the limit
Alfa = More fun to steer and drive