Why put off until tomorrow what you can do today? I got a bit excited and have set things up roughly where they'll end up. It fits and I added a second photo to show that the right speaker isn't as close to the island as it looks on the wider shot. Let's see how this goes.
I'll crack on and get an amp ordered as the priority just so we can see how things sound, before we commit to the turntable upgrade.
I'll crack on and get an amp ordered as the priority just so we can see how things sound, before we commit to the turntable upgrade.
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Oh and another silly question. Getting the speakers out reminded me that they have bi-wire terminals and I therefore have decent Chord cables with 4 banana plugs at one end and 2 at the other.
Was bi-wiring ever actually proven to be worthwhile? I'm assuming that whatever amp I get, I'll still want to use these existing cables as from memory they weren't cheap.
Was bi-wiring ever actually proven to be worthwhile? I'm assuming that whatever amp I get, I'll still want to use these existing cables as from memory they weren't cheap.
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daytona600
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Was bi-wiring ever actually proven to be worthwhile?
Yes for makers of speaker cables
Yes for makers of speaker cables
Fandango Andy
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if you have the cables and they are set up for bi-wiring it won't do any harm, otherwise don't bother.
check the cables are in decent condition, copper can oxidise especially if left in damp conditions.
Fandango Andy
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That escalated quickly. I see a trip to a hifi store in your future!
Another day, another question (or two).
1. The supermarket turntable is called a Silvercrest SUP128 A1. It currently has a RCA to 3.5mm cable to connect to the Roberts CD/Radio and reading the manual it clearly states "don't connect this to an amp phono stage", which implies that the preamp in the turntable can't be switched off. I'm likely to get the recommended Marantz PM6007 amp which has no line-in. Am I right in assuming that if I use a 2-Male to 2-Male RCA cable and connect it to any Audio In RCAs apart from the Phono on the amp, that it will be OK?
It's just going to be temporary. As soon as we're happy that the speakers have survived their stay in the loft and that the amp is working, I'll be replacing that turntable FAST.
2. As an extension of that - if at some point I look to integrate some sort of streaming hardware into the setup and choose to connect that via an Analogue rather than Digital input, presumably I can shove it into any of the Audio In slots on the amp (currently labelled CD, Tuner, Recorder and Network) apart from the Phono?
1. The supermarket turntable is called a Silvercrest SUP128 A1. It currently has a RCA to 3.5mm cable to connect to the Roberts CD/Radio and reading the manual it clearly states "don't connect this to an amp phono stage", which implies that the preamp in the turntable can't be switched off. I'm likely to get the recommended Marantz PM6007 amp which has no line-in. Am I right in assuming that if I use a 2-Male to 2-Male RCA cable and connect it to any Audio In RCAs apart from the Phono on the amp, that it will be OK?
It's just going to be temporary. As soon as we're happy that the speakers have survived their stay in the loft and that the amp is working, I'll be replacing that turntable FAST.
2. As an extension of that - if at some point I look to integrate some sort of streaming hardware into the setup and choose to connect that via an Analogue rather than Digital input, presumably I can shove it into any of the Audio In slots on the amp (currently labelled CD, Tuner, Recorder and Network) apart from the Phono?
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Purchase #1 inbound.
I've decided to stop procrastinating by going with the Rega Planar 1 for the turntable. Sure, there are better options that I can afford and different cartridges I could get but frankly, my ears won't notice and the upgrade from what we have to what we're getting should be significant as it is. The local record shop does stock Rega kit, so I may accidentally stroll over this afternoon.
My next decision will be to look into what streaming solution best fits this setup. All I want is to be able to stream from Spotify into the new amp and the RX1s. Any recommendations gladly received. I've seen WiiM mentioned a lot with my initial investigations - any good?
I've decided to stop procrastinating by going with the Rega Planar 1 for the turntable. Sure, there are better options that I can afford and different cartridges I could get but frankly, my ears won't notice and the upgrade from what we have to what we're getting should be significant as it is. The local record shop does stock Rega kit, so I may accidentally stroll over this afternoon.
My next decision will be to look into what streaming solution best fits this setup. All I want is to be able to stream from Spotify into the new amp and the RX1s. Any recommendations gladly received. I've seen WiiM mentioned a lot with my initial investigations - any good?
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Good choice with the amp. Good luck with your shopping trip.
Realistically you aren't going to go wrong with any Rega or Pro-Ject turntable, just pick one you like the look of and is the right price. If you spend a little more you can justify it to yourself by saying you are futureproofing your setup. if you go budget, anything from those too brands make good money second hand, you can always sell it on (keep the box).
Streaming is easy in your position. WiiM Mini, £89. there are more expensive options in their line-up, but you don't any of the features. The DAC in the mini isn't great, but you have chosen an amp with a good DAC, just bypass the one in the streamer by using the digital optical audio/Toslink Cable (supplied with the Mini).
The shopping trip qualifies as a success. Picked up a Planar 1 in Black Matt for £299, which is the going rate.
It's an awful setup in the shop to audition kit as it's literally just a corner of a bustling record shop, but still I got to hear it in action through a Rega Brio and an unidentifiable pair of bookshelf speakers which looked like they'd seen some action over the years. Ignoring these set-up issues, the upbeat Latin stuff that was put on instantly sounded *really* good and soon drew a small crowd over into the corner.
At a moderately high volume this sounded clear, fun and full of vibrancy. I'll never be able to separate an amp from a speaker from a turntable in terms of the component parts' influence on the overall sound, but this little demo ticked boxes for me. Very keen to test this out in the comfort of a home environment with my own kit and my own music. It's quite exciting to be honest!
The plan is to spend a bit of time getting this turntable setup properly tomorrow evening and then I'll pace about waiting for the amp to arrive on Monday.
Cheers for the WiiM Mini tip @Fandango Andy , I'll take a look.
It's an awful setup in the shop to audition kit as it's literally just a corner of a bustling record shop, but still I got to hear it in action through a Rega Brio and an unidentifiable pair of bookshelf speakers which looked like they'd seen some action over the years. Ignoring these set-up issues, the upbeat Latin stuff that was put on instantly sounded *really* good and soon drew a small crowd over into the corner.
At a moderately high volume this sounded clear, fun and full of vibrancy. I'll never be able to separate an amp from a speaker from a turntable in terms of the component parts' influence on the overall sound, but this little demo ticked boxes for me. Very keen to test this out in the comfort of a home environment with my own kit and my own music. It's quite exciting to be honest!
The plan is to spend a bit of time getting this turntable setup properly tomorrow evening and then I'll pace about waiting for the amp to arrive on Monday.
Cheers for the WiiM Mini tip @Fandango Andy , I'll take a look.
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Actually.....maybe one more investment.
I'm looking for some wired, closed-back headphones for around £100 to complete the package (for now). The What Hi-Fi "Best Buy" list has Rode NTH-100 at the top and Austrian Audio Hi-X15 close behind. I can't audition these and a scan through some reviews show that both have negative reports about build quality, but those with poor experiences are always the ones who shout the loudest. Both equally have a lot of satisfied customers.
I know there's a sub-forum for headphones but thought I'd ask here for completeness - any views on these (or other options)? I'll be plonked on the sofa next to the amp when using these, so minor details like cord length are an irrelevance.
To me, the Austrian Audio pair look like they should be more resilient (and I'm not heavy handed), so I'm probably leaning that way.
EDIT: It's quite funny - the internet is a wild place. Found a headphone forum which seems to be frequented by audio engineers and they pan both pairs, especially the Austrian Audios.....Fortunately I'm not an audio engineer but I may just allow their views to push me towards the Rode.
EDIT2: Just ordered some replacement ear pads for a set of Audio-Technica Headphones as a stop-gap. Bit alarming how easily the old caps come away, and how flimsy everything beneath looks! They're Audio Technica ATH-ANC7B which I acquired when my dad died and by all accounts, they're fine as noise-cancelling cans but not great otherwise.
I'm looking for some wired, closed-back headphones for around £100 to complete the package (for now). The What Hi-Fi "Best Buy" list has Rode NTH-100 at the top and Austrian Audio Hi-X15 close behind. I can't audition these and a scan through some reviews show that both have negative reports about build quality, but those with poor experiences are always the ones who shout the loudest. Both equally have a lot of satisfied customers.
I know there's a sub-forum for headphones but thought I'd ask here for completeness - any views on these (or other options)? I'll be plonked on the sofa next to the amp when using these, so minor details like cord length are an irrelevance.
To me, the Austrian Audio pair look like they should be more resilient (and I'm not heavy handed), so I'm probably leaning that way.
EDIT: It's quite funny - the internet is a wild place. Found a headphone forum which seems to be frequented by audio engineers and they pan both pairs, especially the Austrian Audios.....Fortunately I'm not an audio engineer but I may just allow their views to push me towards the Rode.
EDIT2: Just ordered some replacement ear pads for a set of Audio-Technica Headphones as a stop-gap. Bit alarming how easily the old caps come away, and how flimsy everything beneath looks! They're Audio Technica ATH-ANC7B which I acquired when my dad died and by all accounts, they're fine as noise-cancelling cans but not great otherwise.
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I can't add anything to this thread that others haven't already mentioned, but just wanted to say this has been a great thread to read!!!
The forum at it's best!
HNY all!
The forum at it's best!
HNY all!
And there's life in the old dog yet
The amp and WiiM arrive later this afternoon, so this morning I tweaked the unit the amp and turntable will live in/on, and set the turntable up in readiness for getting things up and running later. I may well make another trip to the record shop to buy a couple of extra albums to kill some time.
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All set up
No issues with the amp, turntable or speakers at all. The WiiM had a wobble because it seemed to disappear from the home network after the initial setup and listen. After I closed the app and tried to use it again, no luck. A home network reboot and factory reset of the WiiM seems to have done the trick.
It has been so long since I listened to music through a Hi-Fi that I really didn't realise quite how major the compromises of convenience with streaming through smart speakers is. I mean - they're fine and they do a job, but they clip a lot of corners in doing so. Stereo sound through a Hi-Fi is quite incomparable and so I'm very pleased that I'm back on board.
As well as the below, we've listened to L.A. Woman. Now I'm introducing my wife to a bit of Mark Knopfler through the WiiM.
EDIT: And then some Jon Batiste and Hania Rani & Dobrawa Czocher. The cello on Biała Flaga sounds absolutely magnificent.
No issues with the amp, turntable or speakers at all. The WiiM had a wobble because it seemed to disappear from the home network after the initial setup and listen. After I closed the app and tried to use it again, no luck. A home network reboot and factory reset of the WiiM seems to have done the trick.
It has been so long since I listened to music through a Hi-Fi that I really didn't realise quite how major the compromises of convenience with streaming through smart speakers is. I mean - they're fine and they do a job, but they clip a lot of corners in doing so. Stereo sound through a Hi-Fi is quite incomparable and so I'm very pleased that I'm back on board.
As well as the below, we've listened to L.A. Woman. Now I'm introducing my wife to a bit of Mark Knopfler through the WiiM.
EDIT: And then some Jon Batiste and Hania Rani & Dobrawa Czocher. The cello on Biała Flaga sounds absolutely magnificent.
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Superb - thanks for asking!
We've just been listening to a lot of music, and that's what it's all about. Late evening listening tends to be streamed on the sofa through headphones and daytime listening through the speakers tends to be records. I got a couple of new records today (Out Of Time by R.EM. and Moon Safari by Air) that we've enjoyed.
The headphones I inherited from my dad seem pretty decent (Audio Technica ATH-ANC7B) but seem like the first easy upgrade to make. Having said that, I picked up a new set of ear pads for about a tenner and that's more or less made them "feel like new", so that upgrade doesn't need to be any time soon.
Yesterday we experimented with the digital Filter settings on the amp and couldn't really detect enough difference to choose a favourite. We also listened with and without rear speaker port bungs and decided that in general we prefer the sound without. My wife is planning to drive round to her parents in the next week or two to pick up a few more of her dad's records to bolster our collection.
And the WiiM is a revelation really. A side-by-side comparison of streamed music through any of our Sonos speakers and then through the amp and either the speakers or the headphones is frankly unfair - they're just miles apart.
And the little RX1s are lovely. They sound nice if a little bit reserved and they're jaw-droppingly pretty.
It's taken a whole fortnight and my eye keeps wandering and my mind keeps wondering.....
We're delighted with this new setup. It sounds like a huge leap from what we had before, is easy to use and we can quickly flick from vinyl to the WiiM; we're listening to music more than ever. It fits into the house without gobbling up lots of space and we've got a perfect listening spot. The problem is that it makes me wonder what an attainable best sound quality can be within a modest budget.
I'm conscious that we've probably made the largest audible leap in quality that we can in one go, shifting from streaming through single active Sonos speakers, to properly amplified source material through "proper" speakers. Obviously we can bump the quality of the digital source at some point if Spotify ever pull their finger out and offer lossless (or we can move to Tidal), but the next jumps would inevitably be upgrades.....
I think this system will primarily be about streaming music with the turntable as a secondary source for my wife. I don't think that turntable will need to be upgraded in the next 5+ years. Bookshelf speakers will remain appropriate for the size of the room and the budget is sensible - I wouldn't yet want to spend more than £1,000 on a single item, unless there was sufficient oomph to justify it.
What is the most logical order to think about improving these component parts, hypothetically speaking? I don't fully understand the value that larger separate streaming units give over the WiiM, so my instinct is that it would be the (brand new!) amp or older speakers that would be the first thing to look at, and I'm not sure that passive speaker tech can really have evolved much in rather a long time.
We're delighted with this new setup. It sounds like a huge leap from what we had before, is easy to use and we can quickly flick from vinyl to the WiiM; we're listening to music more than ever. It fits into the house without gobbling up lots of space and we've got a perfect listening spot. The problem is that it makes me wonder what an attainable best sound quality can be within a modest budget.
I'm conscious that we've probably made the largest audible leap in quality that we can in one go, shifting from streaming through single active Sonos speakers, to properly amplified source material through "proper" speakers. Obviously we can bump the quality of the digital source at some point if Spotify ever pull their finger out and offer lossless (or we can move to Tidal), but the next jumps would inevitably be upgrades.....
I think this system will primarily be about streaming music with the turntable as a secondary source for my wife. I don't think that turntable will need to be upgraded in the next 5+ years. Bookshelf speakers will remain appropriate for the size of the room and the budget is sensible - I wouldn't yet want to spend more than £1,000 on a single item, unless there was sufficient oomph to justify it.
What is the most logical order to think about improving these component parts, hypothetically speaking? I don't fully understand the value that larger separate streaming units give over the WiiM, so my instinct is that it would be the (brand new!) amp or older speakers that would be the first thing to look at, and I'm not sure that passive speaker tech can really have evolved much in rather a long time.
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