Should I upgrade my pioneer bdp-lx71 bluray player

[strapped for cash]

That is interesting.

I wonder if the same could be true of my Cambridge Audio 651BD's first HDMI output, since Oppo and CA BDPs share some DNA?

 

[bigboss]

I think you mis-read that BB - he is not talking about the Oppo - he is talking about differences in players in general

Yes. The only time there will be a difference between players is when the player itself adds extra processing. Otherwise, all are identical in performance. You can turn off the extra processing in most players.

 

[strapped for cash]

You can turn off the extra processing in most players.

Though some players might force processing in ways that don't necessarily show up on the video test patterns used for hardware reviews.

 

[bigboss]

You can turn off the extra processing in most players.

Though some players might force processing in ways that don't necessarily show up on the video test patterns used for hardware reviews.

For example? If it doesn't show up in video test patterns, can you notice it?

 

[strapped for cash]

For example?

I'm speaking hypothetically. I only read updates to this thread in the last half hour.

If it doesn't show up in video test patterns, can you notice it?

Potentially, yes. There's no reason why test patterns would catch every potential instance of processing taking place. For instance, contrast or colour boosting wouldn't influence patterns testing for jaggies or aliasing.

Patterns are only designed to test certain aspects of video reproduction.

 

[bigboss]

For example?

I'm speaking hypothetically. I only read updates to this thread in the last half hour.

If it doesn't show up in video test patterns, can you notice it?

Potentially, yes. There's no reason why test patterns would catch every potential instance of processing taking place. For instance, contrast or colour boosting wouldn't influence patterns testing for jaggies or aliasing.

Patterns are only designed to test certain aspects of video reproduction.

Ok, but surely, there are objective tests to measure contrast and colour boosting?

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Boss Man - if you look you will find ..... 🙂 I have just taken this from it, - I didnt know that about the Oppos second hdmi output - maybe my suggestion was wrong. Really dont know the player "I've found there can be noticeable differences (if you know what you're looking for) between different players even when display chain calibrated for the different players. At last count I'd assessed about 16 models in the £4.5k to £200 range. The difference is typically due to video manipulation to differentiate image look and/or some type of error. One of the first players I noticed this on was the Denon 2500. It appeared to apply some type of by default luminance exaggeration to create the illusion of a sharper image in a similar may to the sharpness setting level 1 or 2 does on the QDEO Oppo's. It's also be proven by looking at the raw HDMI data output that different players can produce different data output even when using the same 1080p/24 content and output setting. Here's an example - Sony BDP-S580 3D Blu-ray Player - Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity The affect of colour space and HDMI Deep Colour setting format will depend on the combination of products. Product may internally processes using a native format that all other formats are converted to. The conversion process isn't lossless and this can affect the image. Usually high frequency chroma (colour) resolution is lost. Sometimes the difference are tiny and sometimes they are easier to observe especially on a larger image"

Hi

I can't find the thread you are talking about? I agree the Denon 2500 is different to the Oppo 103 both show a different picture from my experience.

Thanks for the info on the Oppo I will try out second HDMI. I have heard different stories at different times with what it can and can't do but I was never really sure. I will do some experimenting. Cheers.

 

[strapped for cash]

Ok, but surely, there are objective tests to measure contrast and colour boosting?

To throw your own question back at you, for example?

I'm guessing greyscale and colour accuracy could be remeasured across images output from different players, but I don't think Blu-ray players are tested this way, at least not as a standard test in technical reviews.

 

[emperor's new clothes]

Hi Gel
On page 1 you posted:
I have just compared my 71 with the Oppo 103, Cambridge Audio 751bd, Marantz 7007 and there was no difference. Oh yeah and Pioneer 55! Smile
Change of heart?
IMHO ellisdj is correct, taking care with optimising setup, cabling, TV calibration even mains conditioners 🙂 might make more difference than tiny PQ differences in BR output. Also no point in paying for a UD player if you are not going to use its CD/SACD/ audio capabilities.
There is an unexpected bonus with the UD7007 - superb Netflix HD streaming - worth the added cost alone IMHO.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Hi Gel On page 1 you posted: I have just compared my 71 with the Oppo 103, Cambridge Audio 751bd, Marantz 7007 and there was no difference. Oh yeah and Pioneer 55! Smile Change of heart? IMHO ellisdj is correct, taking care with optimising setup, cabling, TV calibration even mains conditioners 🙂 might make more difference than tiny PQ differences in BR output. Also no point in paying for a UD player if you are not going to use its CD/SACD/ audio capabilities. There is an unexpected bonus with the UD7007 - superb Netflix HD streaming - worth the added cost alone IMHO.

Huh? 🙂. No change in what I have seen. Still the same. 🙂.

 

[ellisdj]

There is a 7007 oppo 103 and 105 group test going on at the minute.
Only by an amateur but he has a nice system - more than capable of showing any differences in both video and audio.

Think it will take him quite a long time to test it all so interested to know what he thinks

I want to do the same test here if anyone wants to lend me a 103/105.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

There is a 7007 oppo 103 and 105 group test going on at the minute. Only by an amateur but he has a nice system - more than capable of showing any differences in both video and audio. Think it will take him quite a long time to test it all so interested to know what he thinks I want to do the same test here if anyone wants to lend me a 103/105.

David has already tested both Oppo's and said no difference in picture quality, the only difference will be through analogue outputs. The Marantz is basically the same as the Oppo too - done. 🙂

 

[Series1boy]

Couple more questions please gents: I'm due to have the vt65b calibrated in a week or so and was wandering with the lx71 what the best picture mode was? I've seen on a couple of other forums to set it to professional. What about the other modes, would you advise to have these calibrated with the tv for day and night etc?

Also my denon 2113 receiver, I've set this to pass through for the Hdmi and also wandered if I would lose any picture quality with this amp because it was only £400 or so. I'm running chord active Hdmi cables too.

Thanks

 

[ellisdj]

I think the professional mode is what I remember being the best - however I think your best to try it against the pdp and pioneer modes and see what you think is best for movement.

Then set it and don't change it after the calibration - although it wont change things by much - just adds some processing or contrast / brightness not the end of the world.

 

[Series1boy]

Hi again,

looking at 3d now and I'm interested in the denon 1713ud to partner with my 2113 amp. Has any body had any experience with this player? Again I'm only interested in picture quality so the transport will be fine for me and will be running everything over Hdmi.

Ive also got the pioneer bdp-450 and marantz 5007 in mind, any feedback / preferences would be appreciated.

cheers

 

[radam40]

Hi together,

I bought a used LX71 one year ago and it works really good for 3 month. The latest update 1.74 is already installed.

But for last 9 month I had serious problems with loading BD's. It's really strange, because in one moment the BD is loading for a few times without any problems. But then stopping the BD and loading it again I get the "Can't play" or "Unkown disc" message. I tried this not with only one but with several BDs.

It only happens with BDs, DVD and CD worked fine.

Finally, I also tried to fix it with a BD cleaning disc (ednet) with no success.

Does anybody know what could be wrong with the LX71 and what else can I do?

Thanks,

Roland

 

[simonlewis]

Have you tried a firmware update ?

 

[simonlewis]

Have you tried a firmware update ?

 

[simonlewis]

Have you tried a firmware update ?

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Hi together,

I bought a used LX71 one year ago and it works really good for 3 month. The latest update 1.74 is already installed.

But for last 9 month I had serious problems with loading BD's. It's really strange, because in one moment the BD is loading for a few times without any problems. But then stopping the BD and loading it again I get the "Can't play" or "Unkown disc" message. I tried this not with only one but with several BDs.

It only happens with BDs, DVD and CD worked fine.

Finally, I also tried to fix it with a BD cleaning disc (ednet) with no success.

Does anybody know what could be wrong with the LX71 and what else can I do?

Thanks,

Roland

What Blu-Rays are they?

 

[radam40]

As I mentioned above, the latest Firmware is already installed: 1.74

The one BD that has the most issues to run is Eagles - Farewell I. It has been released in 2013.

It's annoying, that in one moment the BD runs and the next moment not, but I don't want to trash the LX 71, because it has such a great Audio analog section.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

As I mentioned above, the latest Firmware is already installed: 1.74

The one BD that has the most issues to run is Eagles - Farewell I. It has been released in 2013.

It's annoying, that in one moment the BD runs and the next moment not, but I don't want to trash the LX 71, because it has such a great Audio analog section.

Some discs don't play, it's just the way it is. Are 95 per cent playing?

 

[radam40]

Yes, the most BDs are running.

In this moment I just tried to run the Eagles BD and this time it's playing.

The strange thing is that it's not a disc that doesn't play at all 🙂 It sometimes playing, somtimes not. I was thinking about an issue with the Bluray lense, but I don't know.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Yes, the most BDs are running.

In this moment I just tried to run the Eagles BD and this time it's playing.

The strange thing is that it's not a disc that doesn't play at all 🙂 It sometimes playing, somtimes not. I was thinking about an issue with the Bluray lense, but I don't know.

I think it could just be the player. Some don't play on mine but the majority do so it doesn't concern me. Most new Blu-Rays play straight away too. There are some known issues with the Pioneer 91 but the 71 is pretty reliable from what I know. If it keeps happening let us know again.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I think the first Fantastic Four was an issue on mine, it would start and then stop, it behaved pretty weirdly.

Some just didn't play at all. It could be the lense, but not 100 per cent convinced.