RE: Proac Studio 140 Mk2 yes or no ?

[SteveR750]

Proac Studio 140 Mk2 - The best of the four . A level in itself . the sound stage is spacious , rich focused and Neutral .

Thrilling speakers .the total picture is a touch of high end .

My dealer said that the Caspian will be much better with the Proac than My Kandy but nevertheless the results with the

Kandy was great .

I will check latter on the Focal and the Quadral with other dealer because my dealer is not enthusiastic about them and is not selling them at all .

Any thoughts ?

Only that you have perhaps identified the next two upgrade paths. The M2 is quite a jump up from the K2. I've noit heard the 140s so can't compare to the D18, Shanka and perhaps others have so their opinion might also be worth seeking.

I'm not being very helpful here

 

[ISAC69]

Proac Studio 140 Mk2 - The best of the four . A level in itself . the sound stage is spacious , rich focused and Neutral .

Thrilling speakers .the total picture is a touch of high end .

My dealer said that the Caspian will be much better with the Proac than My Kandy but nevertheless the results with the

Kandy was great .

I will check latter on the Focal and the Quadral with other dealer because my dealer is not enthusiastic about them and is not selling them at all .

Any thoughts ?

Only that you have perhaps identified the next two upgrade paths. The M2 is quite a jump up from the K2. I've noit heard the 140s so can't compare to the D18, Shanka and perhaps others have so their opinion might also be worth seeking.

I'm not being very helpful here

Hi Steve ,

The upgrade to the M2 is on my list but I can not afford it right now it will be in the next 1-2 years ...

Cheers .

 

[Shanka]

Hi,

Thought I posted this before, my apologies for the delay, my other choice bearing in mind you may be looking at the M2 in the future would be

Pmc 23 but more expensive, GB1i have a beautiful balanced and refined sound not as much bass as the 140's, the 23's seem a bit better all round.

Spendor A6 which I didn't like at first but again a refined sound but lacking a bit of punch at low volume but if you can listen loudly worth a listen.

KEF R500/700, I was not a huge fan of KEF, didn't like the Q700/900 but the R's are something else, if you can find them I'd give them a listen just to discount them if nothing else, I was suprised and the 700's have the bass of the 140's.

Proac D18's are more refined than the 140's which is saying something but a bit more laid back, not as much fun as the 140's,less bass.They may give better future upgrade options.

I have had my 140's for well over a year and am more than happy with them, work wonderfully with the M2 and I am so glad they do with the K2 as well, I agree with many of your other comments regarding the speakers I know so hopefully being of some use, any questions feel free to ask.

I may have said earlier the 140's do need a lot of space so make sure you try at home first.

Good Luck, have fun, you look like you are making progress.

 

[Shanka]

Hi,

Very happy with them any change would only be a sideways move , took a long time before deciding they were right for me.

The curse of this hifi quest and aided by the forum is fuelling your curiosity about how other speakers or other equipment will sound, slightly different but what is better, a purely subjective perspective and sometimes plagued by doubt.. The Itch !

I have no intention of changing my current set up although adding to it is a different matter.

Good luck in your decisions

 

[ISAC69]

Hi, Thought I posted this before, my apologies for the delay, my other choice bearing in mind you may be looking at the M2 in the future would be Pmc 23 but more expensive, GB1i have a beautiful balanced and refined sound not as much bass as the 140's, the 23's seem a bit better all round. Spendor A6 which I didn't like at first but again a refined sound but lacking a bit of punch at low volume but if you can listen loudly worth a listen. KEF R500/700, I was not a huge fan of KEF, didn't like the Q700/900 but the R's are something else, if you can find them I'd give them a listen just to discount them if nothing else, I was suprised and the 700's have the bass of the 140's. Proac D18's are more refined than the 140's which is saying something but a bit more laid back, not as much fun as the 140's,less bass.They may give better future upgrade options. I have had my 140's for well over a year and am more than happy with them, work wonderfully with the M2 and I am so glad they do with the K2 as well, I agree with many of your other comments regarding the speakers I know so hopefully being of some use, any questions feel free to ask. I may have said earlier the 140's do need a lot of space so make sure you try at home first. Good Luck, have fun, you look like you are making progress.

Hi Shanka ,

Many thanks for your help !

Unfortunately I can't find in my country any of the speakres you mentioned above , Are you not sure about the Proac 140 you have and thinking of upgrading them to one of the speakers you mentioned ?

 

[ISAC69]

Hi

To tell you true I am confused now :wall: in other forums I got recommendations for the PROAC RESONSE D-18 saying that it is a different league

than the 140 , Is that correct ? I afraid that the sensitivity of the D-18 ( 88 db) will requier more powerfull and expensive amp ?

the results of the combo KANDY+ STUDIO 140 was pretty good Should I demo the D-18 as well :?

 

[CnoEvil]

Hi

To tell you true I am confused now :wall: in other forums I got recommendations for the PROAC RESONSE D-18 saying that it is a different league

than the 140 , Is that correct ? I afraid that the sensitivity of the D-18 ( 88 db) will requier more powerfull and expensive amp ?

the results of the combo KANDY+ STUDIO 140 was pretty good Should I demo the D-18 as well :?

IMO. You should demo anything within budget, as only you can decide what is much better than what......if the D18 is more than you are prepared to spend, there is no point.....otherwise, go and listen to how it sounds with the different levels of amp.

 

[ISAC69]

Hi

the D18 is more than I am prepared to spend but I am willing to make the efforts if they worth it .However my fears are that upgrading my amp will be a necessity with the D 18 and that I am not willing to do now ... Am I correct ?

 

[CnoEvil]

Hi

the D18 is more than I am prepared to spend but I am willing to make the efforts if they worth it .However my fears are that upgrading my amp will be a necessity with the D 18 and that I am not willing to do now ... Am I correct ?

If it's of any help, here's what I would do.

i would listen to the D18s with your amp, and then the more expensive one......If you much prefer the D18s when driven with the latter, but can live with them driven by the former (your amp), get them , and bide your time until it suits to upgrade your amp to the better one.

If you are the sort of person who would continue to worry about having gone for the wrong model, this approach might put your mind to rest, one way or the other.

 

[Shanka]

Good advice, let us know how you get on,

Have fun

 

[altruistic.lemon]

With a mate heard the Proacs you mention for an extended audition. Thought they would be fatiguing in the long term - initial impressions good, but after 10 minutes began to hear problems. Also heard the SF Toys in the same session, they are rich, warm, not my cup of tea but mate liked and an easy listen. Also heard the Totem Sttafs, which are a bit restricted in the bass and not a full as the other two. Thought them the pick, but find it hard to accept (or except?) that drivers under £100 can turn into speakers at the £1700 mark.

Anyways, if you like the Proacs, go for them.

 

[SteveR750]

Hi

the D18 is more than I am prepared to spend but I am willing to make the efforts if they worth it .However my fears are that upgrading my amp will be a necessity with the D 18 and that I am not willing to do now ... Am I correct ?

If it's of any help, here's what I would do.

i would listen to the D18s with your amp, and then the more expensive one......If you much prefer the D18s when driven with the latter, but can live with them driven by the former (your amp), get them , and bide your time until it suits to upgrade your amp to the better one.

If you are the sort of person who would continue to worry about having gone for the wrong model, this approach might put your mind to rest, one way or the other.

Agree with CNo here. You are talking about spending a lot of cash. I'm pretty sure there is a significant difference between the D18 and 140s, equally there is between an M2 and K2, but you really should make sure you're not wasting your money!

 

[ISAC69]

Hi ,

I heard the Proacs studio 140 for an extended audition yesterday again and decided that this is an ecxellent option for me and probably will buy them soon .I heard the proacs with ROKSAN CASPIAN as well and surprise surprise I did not like it ! I prefer the Kandy because for my taste the Caspian has too smooth sound and the bass is too soft , however noticed that the Caspian has better sound stage . I heard in the past the MUSICAL FIDELITY M6i and it is better and nore powerfull amp than the Caspian and for the long term upgrade it is the favorite one ( but I will have to demo it with proacs in the future when it will be relevant ) .

 

[CnoEvil]

I'm glad a plan is forming, both short and long term......the M6i is a great amp.

I take it you have discarded the idea of the D18s?

 

[ISAC69]

Hi CnoEvil

Yes I have discarded the idea of the D18s I prefer to save the money for amp upgrade in the future .

 

[ISAC69]

Hi

Next week I am going do demo again with my dealer the procas for a final decision . I am going to try them with MUSICAL FIDELITY M6i

and STORM AUDIO V55 VERTIGO , both amp are a combination of a real pre and real 2 mono powers all in one amp .the purpose of this :

1. to test the ability of the Proacs with more serious amps 8) 2. to check both this integrated amps for future upgrade :?

Any thoughts ?

Someone has an experience with such combination ?

 

[CnoEvil]

Hi

Next week I am going do demo again with my dealer the procas for a final decision . I am going to try them with MUSICAL FIDELITY M6i

and STORM AUDIO V55 VERTIGO , both amp are a combination of a real pre and real 2 mono powers all in one amp .the purpose of this :

1. to test the ability of the Proacs with more serious amps 8) 2. to check both this integrated amps for future upgrade :?

Any thoughts ?

Someone has an experience with such combination ?

The M6i is an excellent amp and should drive the Proacs superbly.

The Storm Audio also looks a very good alternative and a more unusual choice....maybe a touch warmer than the M6i. Here are a couple of reviews if you haven't seen them - go to Kog Audio -> Reviews -> Follow link to Storm Audio reviews (it won't let me link directly)

and: http://www.hifinews.co.uk/news/article/storm-audio-v55-vertigo-pound;3490/9377

This should be a very intriguing demo, so let us know how it goes.

 

[Singslinger]

I think you have made an excellent decision to go with the Studio 140 - and this is from someone who owns the D18s. There really isn't that much difference between the two speakers; at a stretch it might be possible to argue that the D 18s have better highs while the 140s put out more bass, but there really isn't much in it IMO. Incidentally my local ProAc dealer (who could have the pick of any model he wants) uses the 140 at home.

Also, I think matching the 140s with the powerful MF6i is a good idea. They would work well with a moderately powered tube amp but when I last heard them, they were being driven by a Karan integrated which puts out 180 w and they were really singing.

 

[ISAC69]

Hi

With the KANDY there is planty of bass in the MISSION MX5 but never boomy on the contrary it is very smooth and punchy.

the problem with the MISSION that there are not detailed enough it sounds great in rock , pop and punk but in classical and jazz the sound is blury I understood that the proac are in a different leauge but I hope that the Kandy will not affect less or over bass with them I will have to demo and decide.

 

[SteveR750]

Whilst my ears completely disagree with your comparison of the K2 and M2, I do agree that going for the 140s (again, I found a big jump from them to the D18s, mostly in the midrange / detail) and a better amp is thr right way. The M6i + 140 is probably going to be more satisfying than the D18 + K2

 

[Shanka]

Hi, I agree with M6i/140 will be better than K2/D18, I found the M6i had loads of power but presentation too smooth for my liking, I described the M6i as a bit too rich and creamy but that is down to personal taste, it is an excellent amp. I really don't think K2 will get anything like the best of D18's, I personally felt the M2 only really got to grip with D18's at higher volumes but agree with previous comments that although 140's have more bass than D18's thay have a much sweeter , more refined sound. I think you just need to find what is right for you, I would ensure you try your choice at home first as that could change what you are hearing a lot. At the moment I have a stinking cold but wish a good christmas and new year to all members here, thanks for all advice, comments, responses, etc....... Good Luck with your listening, have fun.

 

[ISAC69]

Merry Christmas to all !

I demo'ed today with my dealer the Proacs with cabels of Chord Chorus 2 ( second hand which I bought it in less of a half price amzaing cabel a serious upgrade aodiophil component for every system ! ) and Tellurium black speakers cabels with :

MUSICAL FIDELITY M6i a very powerfull amp endless bass and power , sound stage was good but when the music get complex the details are

tending to be lost especially in classical and jazz .

STORM AUDIO V55 VERTIGO [/b]I was absolutely shocked ! an amazing amp maybe a little beat less powerfull that the MF M6i but has a perfect sound stage , every note and is in order and every detail is revealed . the bass is excatly as it should be very smooth and punchy .mid and high are perfectly balanced . it is a perfect match . I am upgrading my speakers now and in the future the Storm Audio is in the top of my list !

 

[CnoEvil]

You are putting together a very nice set up and I'm glad you liked the TQ Blacks.....it all just shows the importance of demoing.

It takes a very good amp to push the M6i into second place (is the Storm more expensive?)....at least you now know where you are heading. :shifty:

 

[ISAC69]

You are putting together a very nice set up and I'm glad you liked the TQ Blacks.....it all just shows the importance of demoing.

It takes a very good amp to push the M6i into second place (is the Storm more expensive?)....at least you now know where you are heading. :shifty:

The Storm is more expensive costs 3490.00 GBP . the MF was defeated in knock out by the Storm Audio :O

 

[CnoEvil]

The Storm is more expensive costs 3490.00 GBP . the MF was defeated in knock out by the Storm Audio :O

Sometimes that extra £1k is worth paying! :shifty:

Nb. You are in Leema Tucana 11 and Electrocompaniet ECI-5 Mk11 territory. :twisted: