Power cable

[shadders]

It was only one member....and he only produced the list because he was specifically asked to. Pride didn't come into it....if he hadn't backed up his claim, he would have been accused of bluffing.

It doesn't matter what you do on forums, you'll be accused of something or other. I was impressed you came up with the requested list too, I'm guessing the 'askee' didn't expect a reply

No one had or has accused anyone of anything. Cno sent quite a lot of other forum links without any reference to which post to look in so other than read the whole lot tou could not find it. So far all ive read was the marketing endorsement.

You do however seem to be ignoring this...

http://www.studioconnections.co.uk/professional-recommendation.html

Hi,

My response to this was, a studio professional selling a cable he designed and had made to his friends (studio professionals) - are you sure there is no conflict of interest - given that some of these cables cost £1,900 per metre - sold as £3,800 per 2 metres.

If you check the designer of the cable - engineering degree - and check his company - Studio Connections - he has a divorce to pay for. This is circumstantial evidence - he was married to the secretary of Studio Connections (marriage as listed on findmypast - 1990) - she resigned as secretary of the company, and they have listed their own addresses (companies house listing).

If one were cynical - then this exorbitantly priced cable is to pay for the divorce, and he has his "mates" endorsing the products.

Never accept something at face value.

Regards,

Shadders.

Wow. You really don't want to believe any of this now do you.

If he/she reads this I trust you will enjoy your day in court!

Hi,

Why - i said it was circumstantial. Marriage is fact on findmypast.

Regards,

Shadders.

So circumstantial will now do? I thought you were all about EVIDENCE. Sad. Very sad.

Hi,

As i said - circumstantial. I also said if you were cynical. The rest - marriage, resignation of the secretary, different addresses of each - is fact - findmypast and companies house. Is there a divorce to pay for - probably - when you get divorced the majority of cases the mother gets the kids, and they cost money.

As i said circumstantial - but you do need to examine why a cable costs £3,800 per 2 metres - and you presented it as evidence that studios endorse cables.

I at least have done some research about the cable (technical responses from me earlier) and why a sound professional decided to design a have manufactured a cable, which is endorsed by his colleagues.

Why would a sound professional decide to manufacture a cable at £1,900 per metre, where you have to buy at least 2 metres at £3,800 ???

As i said never accept anything at face value. You too could investigate these areas rather than just offer it as EVIDENCE (as you put it) without any thought.

Regards,

Shadders,

I am a professional. I would not publicly endorse a product without being sure it was worthy of endorsement. These professionals did endorse Studio Connections cables and yet you suggest they are lying. You have just made yourself entirely implausible.

Hi,

I never stated lying, nor suggested it. They are endorsing a product which is sold by a colleague and this product is at an exorbitant price. How YOU interpret this is up to you.

Maybe ask yourself why they are endorsing these extremely expensive cables when :

https://www.production-room.com/categories/381/cables/

States :

"Monster [/b]is one of the world's leading manufacturer of high performance cables.Monster Cable[/b] is an indispensable component for music lovers, audiophiles, recording studios, sound professionals, musicians, custom-installers and home theatre enthusiasts. Monster's audio cables increase the clarity, dynamics and power of the audio signals that travel through them"

These cables are about 100x cheaper. Same type of marketing prose - they all seem to be doing it.

You can research as i have done - i have provided the websites i have used - you can do exactly the same - rather than just post a link to a website which has markting statments only.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[shadders]

It was only one member....and he only produced the list because he was specifically asked to. Pride didn't come into it....if he hadn't backed up his claim, he would have been accused of bluffing.

It doesn't matter what you do on forums, you'll be accused of something or other. I was impressed you came up with the requested list too, I'm guessing the 'askee' didn't expect a reply

No one had or has accused anyone of anything. Cno sent quite a lot of other forum links without any reference to which post to look in so other than read the whole lot tou could not find it. So far all ive read was the marketing endorsement.

You do however seem to be ignoring this...

http://www.studioconnections.co.uk/professional-recommendation.html

Hi,

My response to this was, a studio professional selling a cable he designed and had made to his friends (studio professionals) - are you sure there is no conflict of interest - given that some of these cables cost £1,900 per metre - sold as £3,800 per 2 metres.

If you check the designer of the cable - engineering degree - and check his company - Studio Connections - he has a divorce to pay for. This is circumstantial evidence - he was married to the secretary of Studio Connections (marriage as listed on findmypast - 1990) - she resigned as secretary of the company, and they have listed their own addresses (companies house listing).

If one were cynical - then this exorbitantly priced cable is to pay for the divorce, and he has his "mates" endorsing the products.

Never accept something at face value.

Regards,

Shadders.

Wow. You really don't want to believe any of this now do you.

If he/she reads this I trust you will enjoy your day in court!

Hi,

Why - i said it was circumstantial. Marriage is fact on findmypast.

Regards,

Shadders.

So circumstantial will now do? I thought you were all about EVIDENCE. Sad. Very sad.

Hi,

As i said - circumstantial. I also said if you were cynical. The rest - marriage, resignation of the secretary, different addresses of each - is fact - findmypast and companies house. Is there a divorce to pay for - probably - when you get divorced the majority of cases the mother gets the kids, and they cost money.

As i said circumstantial - but you do need to examine why a cable costs £3,800 per 2 metres - and you presented it as evidence that studios endorse cables.

I at least have done some research about the cable (technical responses from me earlier) and why a sound professional decided to design a have manufactured a cable, which is endorsed by his colleagues.

Why would a sound professional decide to manufacture a cable at £1,900 per metre, where you have to buy at least 2 metres at £3,800 ???

As i said never accept anything at face value. You too could investigate these areas rather than just offer it as EVIDENCE (as you put it) without any thought.

Regards,

Shadders,

I am a professional. I would not publicly endorse a product without being sure it was worthy of endorsement. These professionals did endorse Studio Connections cables and yet you suggest they are lying. You have just made yourself entirely implausible.

Which is a shame by the way, because up until now your objective "knowledge" has been welcome to me. However your are clearly more susceptible to spouting your own supposition than I thought, so I don't know what to think now.

Hi,

As i said - circumstantial and cynical.

This does not change the facts presented (marriage, colleagues, secretary resigning, different addresses etc) - how YOU interpret them is up to you.

Again - i stated a cynical interpretation. This does not dispute the facts (marriage, colleagues, secretary resigning, different addresses etc).

I question why a cable will cost £3,800 for 2 metres. It is a ludicrous cost for a bit of wire.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[Gazzip]

It was only one member....and he only produced the list because he was specifically asked to. Pride didn't come into it....if he hadn't backed up his claim, he would have been accused of bluffing.

It doesn't matter what you do on forums, you'll be accused of something or other. I was impressed you came up with the requested list too, I'm guessing the 'askee' didn't expect a reply

No one had or has accused anyone of anything. Cno sent quite a lot of other forum links without any reference to which post to look in so other than read the whole lot tou could not find it. So far all ive read was the marketing endorsement.

You do however seem to be ignoring this...

http://www.studioconnections.co.uk/professional-recommendation.html

Hi,

My response to this was, a studio professional selling a cable he designed and had made to his friends (studio professionals) - are you sure there is no conflict of interest - given that some of these cables cost £1,900 per metre - sold as £3,800 per 2 metres.

If you check the designer of the cable - engineering degree - and check his company - Studio Connections - he has a divorce to pay for. This is circumstantial evidence - he was married to the secretary of Studio Connections (marriage as listed on findmypast - 1990) - she resigned as secretary of the company, and they have listed their own addresses (companies house listing).

If one were cynical - then this exorbitantly priced cable is to pay for the divorce, and he has his "mates" endorsing the products.

Never accept something at face value.

Regards,

Shadders.

Wow. You really don't want to believe any of this now do you.

If he/she reads this I trust you will enjoy your day in court!

Hi,

Why - i said it was circumstantial. Marriage is fact on findmypast.

Regards,

Shadders.

So circumstantial will now do? I thought you were all about EVIDENCE. Sad. Very sad.

Hi,

As i said - circumstantial. I also said if you were cynical. The rest - marriage, resignation of the secretary, different addresses of each - is fact - findmypast and companies house. Is there a divorce to pay for - probably - when you get divorced the majority of cases the mother gets the kids, and they cost money.

As i said circumstantial - but you do need to examine why a cable costs £3,800 per 2 metres - and you presented it as evidence that studios endorse cables.

I at least have done some research about the cable (technical responses from me earlier) and why a sound professional decided to design a have manufactured a cable, which is endorsed by his colleagues.

Why would a sound professional decide to manufacture a cable at £1,900 per metre, where you have to buy at least 2 metres at £3,800 ???

As i said never accept anything at face value. You too could investigate these areas rather than just offer it as EVIDENCE (as you put it) without any thought.

Regards,

Shadders,

I am a professional. I would not publicly endorse a product without being sure it was worthy of endorsement. These professionals did endorse Studio Connections cables and yet you suggest they are lying. You have just made yourself entirely implausible.

Hi,

I never stated lying, nor suggested it. They are endorsing a product which is sold by a colleague and this product is at an exorbitant price. How YOU interpret this is up to you.

Maybe ask yourself why they are endorsing these extremely expensive cables when :

https://www.production-room.com/categories/381/cables/

States :

"Monster is one of the world's leading manufacturer of high performance cables.Monster Cable is an indispensable component for music lovers, audiophiles, recording studios, sound professionals, musicians, custom-installers and home theatre enthusiasts. Monster's audio cables increase the clarity, dynamics and power of the audio signals that travel through them"

These cables are about 100x cheaper. Same type of marketing prose - they all seem to be doing it.

You can research as i have done - i have provided the websites i have used - you can do exactly the same - rather than just post a link to a website which has markting statments only.

Regards,

Shadders.

The difference between you and I is that I actually own their cables. I am not just posting links, I am a primary source. You on the other hand are a tertiary web trawler just posting whatever you find on the internet. I currently use three of their power cables and one of their digital cables in my system. On what (apart from alleged divorce proceedings) do you base your view?

 

[shadders]

I at least have done some research about the cable (technical responses from me earlier) and why a sound professional decided to design a have manufactured a cable, which is endorsed by his colleagues.

Maybe the original owner of BT created the company because of a costly divorce? And before you start investigating me, my divorce is all paid up and done with.

Hi,

My point is - don't just accept what you are told. A cable company will state through endorsements how good their cable is - charge exorbitant amount for it - and rely upon the placebo effect for hifi people to purchase. More money is generally equated with a better product.

People on here offer their evidence without any thought behind it. One company selling mains regenerators or purifiers - not sure which - said in a youtube video that they had found a new form of noise. People actually believe this - and think they are being told accurate information.

No cable company has ever stated in the hifi arena, how they designed the cable to produce the stated benefits. If they did, it would be repeatable, and other people would make the cable a lot cheaper.

Since people on here do not have the engineering background, then they are easily fooled, the cable companies rely upon this in addition to the placebo effect.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[shadders]

It was only one member....and he only produced the list because he was specifically asked to. Pride didn't come into it....if he hadn't backed up his claim, he would have been accused of bluffing.

It doesn't matter what you do on forums, you'll be accused of something or other. I was impressed you came up with the requested list too, I'm guessing the 'askee' didn't expect a reply

No one had or has accused anyone of anything. Cno sent quite a lot of other forum links without any reference to which post to look in so other than read the whole lot tou could not find it. So far all ive read was the marketing endorsement.

You do however seem to be ignoring this...

http://www.studioconnections.co.uk/professional-recommendation.html

Hi,

My response to this was, a studio professional selling a cable he designed and had made to his friends (studio professionals) - are you sure there is no conflict of interest - given that some of these cables cost £1,900 per metre - sold as £3,800 per 2 metres.

If you check the designer of the cable - engineering degree - and check his company - Studio Connections - he has a divorce to pay for. This is circumstantial evidence - he was married to the secretary of Studio Connections (marriage as listed on findmypast - 1990) - she resigned as secretary of the company, and they have listed their own addresses (companies house listing).

If one were cynical - then this exorbitantly priced cable is to pay for the divorce, and he has his "mates" endorsing the products.

Never accept something at face value.

Regards,

Shadders.

Wow. You really don't want to believe any of this now do you.

If he/she reads this I trust you will enjoy your day in court!

Hi,

Why - i said it was circumstantial. Marriage is fact on findmypast.

Regards,

Shadders.

So circumstantial will now do? I thought you were all about EVIDENCE. Sad. Very sad.

Hi,

As i said - circumstantial. I also said if you were cynical. The rest - marriage, resignation of the secretary, different addresses of each - is fact - findmypast and companies house. Is there a divorce to pay for - probably - when you get divorced the majority of cases the mother gets the kids, and they cost money.

As i said circumstantial - but you do need to examine why a cable costs £3,800 per 2 metres - and you presented it as evidence that studios endorse cables.

I at least have done some research about the cable (technical responses from me earlier) and why a sound professional decided to design a have manufactured a cable, which is endorsed by his colleagues.

Why would a sound professional decide to manufacture a cable at £1,900 per metre, where you have to buy at least 2 metres at £3,800 ???

As i said never accept anything at face value. You too could investigate these areas rather than just offer it as EVIDENCE (as you put it) without any thought.

Regards,

Shadders,

I am a professional. I would not publicly endorse a product without being sure it was worthy of endorsement. These professionals did endorse Studio Connections cables and yet you suggest they are lying. You have just made yourself entirely implausible.

Hi,

I never stated lying, nor suggested it. They are endorsing a product which is sold by a colleague and this product is at an exorbitant price. How YOU interpret this is up to you.

Maybe ask yourself why they are endorsing these extremely expensive cables when :

https://www.production-room.com/categories/381/cables/

States :

"Monster is one of the world's leading manufacturer of high performance cables.Monster Cable is an indispensable component for music lovers, audiophiles, recording studios, sound professionals, musicians, custom-installers and home theatre enthusiasts. Monster's audio cables increase the clarity, dynamics and power of the audio signals that travel through them"

These cables are about 100x cheaper. Same type of marketing prose - they all seem to be doing it.

You can research as i have done - i have provided the websites i have used - you can do exactly the same - rather than just post a link to a website which has markting statments only.

Regards,

Shadders.

The difference between you and I is that I actually own their cables. I am not just posting links, I am a primary source. You on the other hand are a tertiary web trawler just posting whatever you find on the internet. I currently use three of their power cables and one of their digital cables in my system. On what (apart from alleged divorce proceedings) do you base your view?

Hi,

Whether you own the cables or not - i have presented facts - the divorce aspect is circumstantial (different addresses, resignation of the secretary position), but seems probable.

My view on cables is established on engineering - please see my earlier entries on the stated cable benefits in comparison to other known cable parameters. My statements on the company itself - does not influence my view on cables.

Someone charging £3,800 for a bit of wire - is disgraceful. Even the copper and silver content will be significantly less than this cost.

The endorsement of people in the same industry as the person selling - does seem to be a conflict of interest. This is a standard question. If it were a banker endorsing another banker for an exorbitantly priced product - i am certain people would think about conflicts of interest.

I have done some research and posted on the technical side - all you have done is post a link to the marketing prose where the endorsements are by colleagues, and offered this as evidence. You have not researched anything. That is part of the problem - no real evidence presented by the cable companies on why their product produces the sound as per the endorsements.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[Andrewjvt]

Cno sent quite a lot of other forum links without any reference to which post to look in so other than read the whole lot tou could not find it. So far all ive read was the marketing endorsement.

Only one of the seven links was a forum one....and it is a total guess as to whether the endorsements were genuinely held opinions, or not (and one's view on that will be be determined by one's stance on cables).

Ive been working in shefield while this has been going on and ive missed many many posts so i have not been on top of all this.
Just now ive arrived home and ive missed many quotes and pages.

I just want to clarify something incase it looks as if i had bad feeling toward you.(as i dont)

When i asked you to quote the studio was genuine as ive known you a long time on the forum and i know you would never make stuff up. I genuine wanted to be pointed to the article as i had no time to read. I still have not had as ive just got in.

 

[lindsayt]

Someone charging £3,800 for a bit of wire - is disgraceful. Even the copper and silver content will be significantly less than this cost.

I agree. Probably the best we can do is to take the mickey out of such cables. Mickey taking with a serious message: if you want to buy them go ahead, but please go in with your eyes and ears wide open.

 

[lindsayt]

I can't believe he spent more on Russ Andrews cables than his amp and turntable combined, including taking the time to replace the captive mains cables with IEC sockets. But fair play to him, he's taken the time to listen, come to his own conclusions, and posted it for all to benefit from.

If I was him, I'd have just tried a couple to exoensive cables against a basic one (just in case one of the expensive ones was just "jewellery"), rather than messing around with ones that are one step up price wise from the freebies.

Well spotted David.

That's totally counter-intuitive (bonkers) replacing captive leads with horrible IEC sockets. Does he realise how small the electical contact area is in IEC's?

Viz Top Tip. For anyone wanting to max out their classic NAD & Marantz power leads simply keep the captive cables and fit Commando plugs and add a couple of £5.86 ferrite rings.

 

[Alantiggger]

Read all that you can about the subject online.

You will find that the folks with too much money to spend (and not miss) ....... CAN indeed hear differences with whatever wire or cable, hi-fi snobery perhaps ?

Read lots, try different cables/wires..... make your own mind up ... Like that old b&w program shows, some Are *crazy*

*ROFL*

 

[ellisdj]

Shadders you will go searching for anything to find a line of arguement to try and ensure that you dont have to admit to being wrong.

Even to the point of looking up someones past marriage. I assume you was looking for dirt and must have been over joyed to find something.

£4000 for a 2 metre cable is average priced in the high end arena. I know of many that cost more than that.
So why you may see it as ludicrously expensive in a different arena that might be seen it as reasonable.
So its actually the seller doing his colleagues a turn not charging them more for them not trying to cream them to pay for his divorce

That might be why they are giving him public credit as a thank you for selling them to them so cheaply.

Imagine this situatuon after years of listening with off the shelf "professional" cables - they try out something else and the revelation of improvement to the quality of sound is so high they will pay the price for it as the thought of going to back to listening the way it sounded before is more unbearable than parting with some money.

Sounds like its gone like that to me

 

[Gazzip]

It was only one member....and he only produced the list because he was specifically asked to. Pride didn't come into it....if he hadn't backed up his claim, he would have been accused of bluffing.

It doesn't matter what you do on forums, you'll be accused of something or other. I was impressed you came up with the requested list too, I'm guessing the 'askee' didn't expect a reply

No one had or has accused anyone of anything. Cno sent quite a lot of other forum links without any reference to which post to look in so other than read the whole lot tou could not find it. So far all ive read was the marketing endorsement.

You do however seem to be ignoring this...

http://www.studioconnections.co.uk/professional-recommendation.html

Hi,

My response to this was, a studio professional selling a cable he designed and had made to his friends (studio professionals) - are you sure there is no conflict of interest - given that some of these cables cost £1,900 per metre - sold as £3,800 per 2 metres.

If you check the designer of the cable - engineering degree - and check his company - Studio Connections - he has a divorce to pay for. This is circumstantial evidence - he was married to the secretary of Studio Connections (marriage as listed on findmypast - 1990) - she resigned as secretary of the company, and they have listed their own addresses (companies house listing).

If one were cynical - then this exorbitantly priced cable is to pay for the divorce, and he has his "mates" endorsing the products.

Never accept something at face value.

Regards,

Shadders.

Wow. You really don't want to believe any of this now do you.

If he/she reads this I trust you will enjoy your day in court!

Hi,

Why - i said it was circumstantial. Marriage is fact on findmypast.

Regards,

Shadders.

So circumstantial will now do? I thought you were all about EVIDENCE. Sad. Very sad.

Hi,

As i said - circumstantial. I also said if you were cynical. The rest - marriage, resignation of the secretary, different addresses of each - is fact - findmypast and companies house. Is there a divorce to pay for - probably - when you get divorced the majority of cases the mother gets the kids, and they cost money.

As i said circumstantial - but you do need to examine why a cable costs £3,800 per 2 metres - and you presented it as evidence that studios endorse cables.

I at least have done some research about the cable (technical responses from me earlier) and why a sound professional decided to design a have manufactured a cable, which is endorsed by his colleagues.

Why would a sound professional decide to manufacture a cable at £1,900 per metre, where you have to buy at least 2 metres at £3,800 ???

As i said never accept anything at face value. You too could investigate these areas rather than just offer it as EVIDENCE (as you put it) without any thought.

Regards,

Shadders,

I am a professional. I would not publicly endorse a product without being sure it was worthy of endorsement. These professionals did endorse Studio Connections cables and yet you suggest they are lying. You have just made yourself entirely implausible.

Which is a shame by the way, because up until now your objective "knowledge" has been welcome to me. However your are clearly more susceptible to spouting your own supposition than I thought, so I don't know what to think now.

Hi,

As i said - circumstantial and cynical.

This does not change the facts presented (marriage, colleagues, secretary resigning, different addresses etc) - how YOU interpret them is up to you.

Again - i stated a cynical interpretation. This does not dispute the facts (marriage, colleagues, secretary resigning, different addresses etc).

I question why a cable will cost £3,800 for 2 metres. It is a ludicrous cost for a bit of wire.

Regards,

Shadders.

...and yet golden eared studio professionals (13 such studios have been presented in this thread by myself and Cno) are prepared to pay such large sums of money for these pieces of wire. Funny that...

 

[shadders]

Shadders you will go searching for anything to find a line of arguement to try and ensure that you dont have to admit to being wrong.

Even to the point of looking up someones past marriage. I assume you was looking for dirt and must have been over joyed to find something.

£4000 for a 2 metre cable is average priced in the high end arena. I know of many that cost more than that. So why you may see it as ludicrously expensive in a different arena that might be seen it as reasonable. So its actually the seller doing his colleagues a turn not charging them more for them not trying to cream them to pay for his divorce

That might be why they are giving him public credit as a thank you for selling them to them so cheaply.

Imagine this situatuon after years of listening with off the shelf "professional" cables - they try out something else and the revelation of improvement to the quality of sound is so high they will pay the price for it as the thought of going to back to listening the way it sounded before is more unbearable than parting with some money.

Sounds like its gone like that to me

Hi,

I presented facts, with one circumstantial statement, that is all. I asked if there was a conflict of interest. I was not looking for dirt, but a possible reason why a studio professional would design a cable with an exorbitant price. I don't think that after 60 years of recording that there is now a sudden revelation in cable sound.

From science and engineering I know that cables cannot sound different if adequately designed.

You continue to want to believe that cables make a difference, so you accept anything you are told about them. My approach is to examine all aspects. Recall it was you that referenced the YouTube video where it was claimed the mains conditioner manufacturer had discovered a new type of noise. You believe anything you are told, but refuse to accept expectation bias, as it discounts what you believe you hear.

I don't think someone designs such an expensive cable because existing cables don't perform adequately. As above, recording has been around for over 60 years, and the cables available today are more than sufficient. There is no altruism here from the cable company, else they would sell for a reasonable cost.

The endorsements are in my opinion laughable. They read as if recording experiences up until the point where the company created the cable, were terrible, and now suddenly the new cable has made everything so much better. Surely, you must think, hold on, that is quite a claim from the colleagues of the designer of the cable.......

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[shadders]

It was only one member....and he only produced the list because he was specifically asked to. Pride didn't come into it....if he hadn't backed up his claim, he would have been accused of bluffing.

It doesn't matter what you do on forums, you'll be accused of something or other. I was impressed you came up with the requested list too, I'm guessing the 'askee' didn't expect a reply

No one had or has accused anyone of anything. Cno sent quite a lot of other forum links without any reference to which post to look in so other than read the whole lot tou could not find it. So far all ive read was the marketing endorsement.

You do however seem to be ignoring this...

http://www.studioconnections.co.uk/professional-recommendation.html

Hi,

My response to this was, a studio professional selling a cable he designed and had made to his friends (studio professionals) - are you sure there is no conflict of interest - given that some of these cables cost £1,900 per metre - sold as £3,800 per 2 metres.

If you check the designer of the cable - engineering degree - and check his company - Studio Connections - he has a divorce to pay for. This is circumstantial evidence - he was married to the secretary of Studio Connections (marriage as listed on findmypast - 1990) - she resigned as secretary of the company, and they have listed their own addresses (companies house listing).

If one were cynical - then this exorbitantly priced cable is to pay for the divorce, and he has his "mates" endorsing the products.

Never accept something at face value.

Regards,

Shadders.

Wow. You really don't want to believe any of this now do you.

If he/she reads this I trust you will enjoy your day in court!

Hi,

Why - i said it was circumstantial. Marriage is fact on findmypast.

Regards,

Shadders.

So circumstantial will now do? I thought you were all about EVIDENCE. Sad. Very sad.

Hi,

As i said - circumstantial. I also said if you were cynical. The rest - marriage, resignation of the secretary, different addresses of each - is fact - findmypast and companies house. Is there a divorce to pay for - probably - when you get divorced the majority of cases the mother gets the kids, and they cost money.

As i said circumstantial - but you do need to examine why a cable costs £3,800 per 2 metres - and you presented it as evidence that studios endorse cables.

I at least have done some research about the cable (technical responses from me earlier) and why a sound professional decided to design a have manufactured a cable, which is endorsed by his colleagues.

Why would a sound professional decide to manufacture a cable at £1,900 per metre, where you have to buy at least 2 metres at £3,800 ???

As i said never accept anything at face value. You too could investigate these areas rather than just offer it as EVIDENCE (as you put it) without any thought.

Regards,

Shadders,

I am a professional. I would not publicly endorse a product without being sure it was worthy of endorsement. These professionals did endorse Studio Connections cables and yet you suggest they are lying. You have just made yourself entirely implausible.

Which is a shame by the way, because up until now your objective "knowledge" has been welcome to me. However your are clearly more susceptible to spouting your own supposition than I thought, so I don't know what to think now.

Hi,

As i said - circumstantial and cynical.

This does not change the facts presented (marriage, colleagues, secretary resigning, different addresses etc) - how YOU interpret them is up to you.

Again - i stated a cynical interpretation. This does not dispute the facts (marriage, colleagues, secretary resigning, different addresses etc).

I question why a cable will cost £3,800 for 2 metres. It is a ludicrous cost for a bit of wire.

Regards,

Shadders.

...and yet golden eared studio professionals (13 such studios have been presented in this thread by myself and Cno) are prepared to pay such large sums of money for these pieces of wire. Funny that...

Hi,

Do they say that they are the best cables ever, or is it just marketing to state that they use a specific brand of cable?

What makes you think they are golden eared?

What makes you think that they paid large sums of money for the cable?

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[CnoEvil]

Ive been working in shefield while this has been going on and ive missed many many posts so i have not been on top of all this. Just now ive arrived home and ive missed many quotes and pages.

I just want to clarify something incase it looks as if i had bad feeling toward you.(as i dont)

When i asked you to quote the studio was genuine as ive known you a long time on the forum and i know you would never make stuff up. I genuine wanted to be pointed to the article as i had no time to read. I still have not had as ive just got in.

Thank you for clarifying your position.....but it's probably best not to post specific details on a quickly moving thread, when you are concentrating on work. *wink*

As it happens, it wasn't you that asked for me to produce the list of studios (it was lpv), with links to provide evidence. You asked me to provide statements from those studios, saying that cables make a difference.

All I have done in this thread, is provide evidence to support my statements, address the comments that wrongly summed up what I have said and suggest the OP try it for himself.

Anyway my friend.....Happy Easter.

 

[Frank Harvey]

I can't believe he spent more on Russ Andrews cables than his amp and turntable combined, including taking the time to replace the captive mains cables with IEC sockets. But fair play to him, he's taken the time to listen, come to his own conclusions, and posted it for all to benefit from.
If I was him, I'd have just tried a couple to exoensive cables against a basic one (just in case one of the expensive ones was just "jewellery"), rather than messing around with ones that are one step up price wise from the freebies.

Well spotted David.

That's totally counter-intuitive (bonkers) replacing captive leads with horrible IEC sockets. Does he realise how small the electical contact area is in IEC's?

Viz Top Tip. For anyone wanting to max out their classic NAD & Marantz power leads simply keep the captive cables and fit Commando plugs and add a couple of £5.86 ferrite rings.

Or just get better components in the first place!

 

[ellisdj]

They either paid large sums for the cable due to the divorce and corruption or they didnt.
Now your twisting it so they didnt pay large sums and are promotive as a result... make your mind up. Maybe they paid rrp with a bit of discount as is normal because they thought it was worth it - imagine that.

Its funny you bring up the video I linked to - because there was no form of new noise discoverd, good attempt at a spin, just a demonstration of how the typical engineering solution of sending noise to earth doesnt work as the earth in a building is not a path to ground its actually an antennae for more noise.
Nothing new there just a new way of looking at how old fashioned engineering is now not as correct as engineers might think in this regard.

You will now spin this back to cables and their engineering has not changed yada yada.

Edit - whats funny about that video you can watch it time and time again and hear the changes demonstrated time and time and time again. A video shot in front of industry professionals more than capable of seeing a slight volume change or anything stupid like that.

 

[Gazzip]

It was only one member....and he only produced the list because he was specifically asked to. Pride didn't come into it....if he hadn't backed up his claim, he would have been accused of bluffing.

It doesn't matter what you do on forums, you'll be accused of something or other. I was impressed you came up with the requested list too, I'm guessing the 'askee' didn't expect a reply

No one had or has accused anyone of anything. Cno sent quite a lot of other forum links without any reference to which post to look in so other than read the whole lot tou could not find it. So far all ive read was the marketing endorsement.

You do however seem to be ignoring this...

http://www.studioconnections.co.uk/professional-recommendation.html

Hi,

My response to this was, a studio professional selling a cable he designed and had made to his friends (studio professionals) - are you sure there is no conflict of interest - given that some of these cables cost £1,900 per metre - sold as £3,800 per 2 metres.

If you check the designer of the cable - engineering degree - and check his company - Studio Connections - he has a divorce to pay for. This is circumstantial evidence - he was married to the secretary of Studio Connections (marriage as listed on findmypast - 1990) - she resigned as secretary of the company, and they have listed their own addresses (companies house listing).

If one were cynical - then this exorbitantly priced cable is to pay for the divorce, and he has his "mates" endorsing the products.

Never accept something at face value.

Regards,

Shadders.

Wow. You really don't want to believe any of this now do you.

If he/she reads this I trust you will enjoy your day in court!

Hi,

Why - i said it was circumstantial. Marriage is fact on findmypast.

Regards,

Shadders.

So circumstantial will now do? I thought you were all about EVIDENCE. Sad. Very sad.

Hi,

As i said - circumstantial. I also said if you were cynical. The rest - marriage, resignation of the secretary, different addresses of each - is fact - findmypast and companies house. Is there a divorce to pay for - probably - when you get divorced the majority of cases the mother gets the kids, and they cost money.

As i said circumstantial - but you do need to examine why a cable costs £3,800 per 2 metres - and you presented it as evidence that studios endorse cables.

I at least have done some research about the cable (technical responses from me earlier) and why a sound professional decided to design a have manufactured a cable, which is endorsed by his colleagues.

Why would a sound professional decide to manufacture a cable at £1,900 per metre, where you have to buy at least 2 metres at £3,800 ???

As i said never accept anything at face value. You too could investigate these areas rather than just offer it as EVIDENCE (as you put it) without any thought.

Regards,

Shadders,

I am a professional. I would not publicly endorse a product without being sure it was worthy of endorsement. These professionals did endorse Studio Connections cables and yet you suggest they are lying. You have just made yourself entirely implausible.

Which is a shame by the way, because up until now your objective "knowledge" has been welcome to me. However your are clearly more susceptible to spouting your own supposition than I thought, so I don't know what to think now.

Hi,

As i said - circumstantial and cynical.

This does not change the facts presented (marriage, colleagues, secretary resigning, different addresses etc) - how YOU interpret them is up to you.

Again - i stated a cynical interpretation. This does not dispute the facts (marriage, colleagues, secretary resigning, different addresses etc).

I question why a cable will cost £3,800 for 2 metres. It is a ludicrous cost for a bit of wire.

Regards,

Shadders.

...and yet golden eared studio professionals (13 such studios have been presented in this thread by myself and Cno) are prepared to pay such large sums of money for these pieces of wire. Funny that...

Hi,

Do they say that they are the best cables ever, or is it just marketing to state that they use a specific brand of cable?

What makes you think they are golden eared?

What makes you think that they paid large sums of money for the cable?

Regards,

Shadders.

Matt Colton, Alchemy Mastering, London[/b]

Mastering Engineer of the year 2013.

“Studio Connections cable provides a clear step forward in both the analogue and digital domain from anything else I have heard. The degree of realism and connection to the music that is achieved by using these cables is incredible. On one recording, just by changing the analogue cable runs, all of a sudden it sounded like the drummer was in the room with us. The piano lost the sense of ‘honkiness’ that was clouding it, and we could hear the air and space around it to a much greater extent. It’s like you aren’t hearing the cable anymore, and are engaging with the recording more than before.”

Matt Colton (Coldplay, Muse, James Blake, George Michael, Hot Chip, Metronomy, Laura Marling , FKA Twigs, New Order , Manic Street Preachers)

...that's two out of the three covered. I guess we will never know what he paid for them.

 

[ellisdj]

Nice post Gazzip - very nice.

The relevance of the mastering engineer being able to hear more clearly, we can take that from his comments, then leading to being awarded the accolade of Mastering Engineer of the year seems quite interesting....

 

[Frank Harvey]

Well whichever way you look at it, these cables have impressed Abbey Road studios. They don't have to use them, they don't have to be associated with this supposed voodoo surround cables of any type, but they are, out of choice. That says a lot in my opinion.

I'm going to get a listen to these cables. Which is more than some will do on this thread.

 

[shadders]

They either paid large sums for the cable due to the divorce and corruption or they didnt. Now your twisting it so they didnt pay large sums and are promotive as a result... make your mind up. Maybe they paid rrp with a bit of discount as is normal because they thought it was worth it - imagine that.

I never said that - you interpreted it that way. I provided the facts, but with one circumstantial statement.

Its funny you bring up the video I linked to - because there was no form of new noise discoverd, good attempt at a spin, just a demonstration of how the typical engineering solution of sending noise to earth doesnt work as the earth in a building is not a path to ground its actually an antennae for more noise. Nothing new there just a new way of looking at how old fashioned engineering is now not as correct as engineers might think in this regard.

It was not spin - they actually stated they believe they discovered a new form of noise. My reply to the thread was where are the engineering papers on this. Where is your evidence for "Nothing new there just a new way of looking at how old fashioned engineering is now not as correct as engineers might think in this regard". What engineering publications have you read where it states this ?. Which aspects of engineering are not correct ?

You will now spin this back to cables and their engineering has not changed yada yada.

Edit - whats funny about that video you can watch it time and time again and hear the changes demonstrated time and time and time again. A video shot in front of industry professionals more than capable of seeing a slight volume change or anything stupid like that.

You still want to believe what you are told by marketing people and the company because you believe that they are correct. What new noise have they discoevered ?. Where is the engneering paper etc ?. There is none.

This is why people post on the cable threads - to state the scientific/engineering case, but as per your previous reference to oldphrt, you state it is negative because it disagrees with your beliefs.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[shadders]

It was only one member....and he only produced the list because he was specifically asked to. Pride didn't come into it....if he hadn't backed up his claim, he would have been accused of bluffing.

It doesn't matter what you do on forums, you'll be accused of something or other. I was impressed you came up with the requested list too, I'm guessing the 'askee' didn't expect a reply

No one had or has accused anyone of anything. Cno sent quite a lot of other forum links without any reference to which post to look in so other than read the whole lot tou could not find it. So far all ive read was the marketing endorsement.

You do however seem to be ignoring this...

http://www.studioconnections.co.uk/professional-recommendation.html

Hi,

My response to this was, a studio professional selling a cable he designed and had made to his friends (studio professionals) - are you sure there is no conflict of interest - given that some of these cables cost £1,900 per metre - sold as £3,800 per 2 metres.

If you check the designer of the cable - engineering degree - and check his company - Studio Connections - he has a divorce to pay for. This is circumstantial evidence - he was married to the secretary of Studio Connections (marriage as listed on findmypast - 1990) - she resigned as secretary of the company, and they have listed their own addresses (companies house listing).

If one were cynical - then this exorbitantly priced cable is to pay for the divorce, and he has his "mates" endorsing the products.

Never accept something at face value.

Regards,

Shadders.

Wow. You really don't want to believe any of this now do you.

If he/she reads this I trust you will enjoy your day in court!

Hi,

Why - i said it was circumstantial. Marriage is fact on findmypast.

Regards,

Shadders.

So circumstantial will now do? I thought you were all about EVIDENCE. Sad. Very sad.

Hi,

As i said - circumstantial. I also said if you were cynical. The rest - marriage, resignation of the secretary, different addresses of each - is fact - findmypast and companies house. Is there a divorce to pay for - probably - when you get divorced the majority of cases the mother gets the kids, and they cost money.

As i said circumstantial - but you do need to examine why a cable costs £3,800 per 2 metres - and you presented it as evidence that studios endorse cables.

I at least have done some research about the cable (technical responses from me earlier) and why a sound professional decided to design a have manufactured a cable, which is endorsed by his colleagues.

Why would a sound professional decide to manufacture a cable at £1,900 per metre, where you have to buy at least 2 metres at £3,800 ???

As i said never accept anything at face value. You too could investigate these areas rather than just offer it as EVIDENCE (as you put it) without any thought.

Regards,

Shadders,

I am a professional. I would not publicly endorse a product without being sure it was worthy of endorsement. These professionals did endorse Studio Connections cables and yet you suggest they are lying. You have just made yourself entirely implausible.

Which is a shame by the way, because up until now your objective "knowledge" has been welcome to me. However your are clearly more susceptible to spouting your own supposition than I thought, so I don't know what to think now.

Hi,

As i said - circumstantial and cynical.

This does not change the facts presented (marriage, colleagues, secretary resigning, different addresses etc) - how YOU interpret them is up to you.

Again - i stated a cynical interpretation. This does not dispute the facts (marriage, colleagues, secretary resigning, different addresses etc).

I question why a cable will cost £3,800 for 2 metres. It is a ludicrous cost for a bit of wire.

Regards,

Shadders.

...and yet golden eared studio professionals (13 such studios have been presented in this thread by myself and Cno) are prepared to pay such large sums of money for these pieces of wire. Funny that...

Hi,

Do they say that they are the best cables ever, or is it just marketing to state that they use a specific brand of cable?

What makes you think they are golden eared?

What makes you think that they paid large sums of money for the cable?

Regards,

Shadders.

Matt Colton, Alchemy Mastering, London

Mastering Engineer of the year 2013. “Studio Connections cable provides a clear step forward in both the analogue and digital domain from anything else I have heard. The degree of realism and connection to the music that is achieved by using these cables is incredible. On one recording, just by changing the analogue cable runs, all of a sudden it sounded like the drummer was in the room with us. The piano lost the sense of ‘honkiness’ that was clouding it, and we could hear the air and space around it to a much greater extent. It’s like you aren’t hearing the cable anymore, and are engaging with the recording more than before.”Matt Colton (Coldplay, Muse, James Blake, George Michael, Hot Chip, Metronomy, Laura Marling , FKA Twigs, New Order , Manic Street Preachers)

...that's two out of the three covered. I guess we will never know what he paid for them.

Hi,

Do you really believe that the entire recording industry has had such a bad experience that this new cable provides the revelatory experience as above or other statements on the website.

Endorsements from colleagues do need to be examined with extra scrutiny. Are there any conflicts of interest ?.

Think of it this way - all cable manufacturers have similar claims. There is NEVER a presentation of the scientific facts on why the design is superior. There are no new scientific or engineering revelations - a cable is a cable, and if adequately designed, the behaviour of the cable in the audio band and low RF frequencies will be known.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[muljao]

No wonder countries go to war when ther can be this much bickering over a power cable *blum3*

 

[ellisdj]

Go back and watch that video again and tell me where they say they have discovered a new form of noise - because that is nonesense.

The man speaking is Garth Powell lead engineer at furmann for many years - leading commercial power management systems company.

He just says that he has been allowed time and budget to look at things couldnt at Furmann.

Then he explains what he has learnt then demonstrates the benefit / solutions to that.

No mention of a new noise discovery. Maybe you didn't watch it or you didn't understand it. Was it too technical him plugging and aerial cable into the earth socket on the power plug in the building. Then rather than it sending the radio signal to ground and there being no signal - the radio signal quality actually appeared to people in the room to be improved by the earth. Hence for radio waves earth in that building is not ground its actually more noise

I thought that was pretty obvious and clear - a great demonstration of the problem

 

[shadders]

Well whichever way you look at it, these cables have impressed Abbey Road studios. They don't have to use them, they don't have to be associated with this supposed voodoo surround cables of any type, but they are, out of choice. That says a lot in my opinion.

I'm going to get a listen to these cables. Which is more than some will do on this thread.

Hi,

There is a problem, in that scientific and engineering fact is discounted because peole state they can hear differences and believe the differences are real.

As i have stated before, i have tried cables of different costs, tried biwiring - and could hear no difference and was told i had not done it right, the cables were not expensive enough, my equipment was not high end enough etc.

Your statement highlighted infers that cables sound different. Would you then state that only people who believe that cables make a difference can respond to cable threads ?

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[shadders]

Go back and watch that video again and tell me where they say they have discovered a new form of noise - because that is nonesense.

The man speaking is Garth Powell lead engineer at furmann for many years - leading commercial power management systems company.

He just says that he has been allowed time and budget to look at things couldnt at Furmann.

Then he explains what he has learnt then demonstrates the benefit / solutions to that.

No mention of a new noise discovery. Maybe you didn't watch it or you didn't understand it. Was it too technical him plugging and aerial cable into the earth socket on the power plug in the building. Then rather than it sending the radio signal to ground and there being no signal - the radio signal quality actually appeared to people in the room to be improved by the earth. Hence for radio waves earth in that building is not ground its actually more noise

I thought that was pretty obvious and clear - a great demonstration of the problem

Hi,

There was a claim that they had discovered something new - noise, possibly something else - was 9 months ago when i viewed the video - but it was an fundamental scientific and engineering claim. There have been no new papers on this - i checked at the time.

Possibly you are not referring to the video i watched as referenced by you 9 months ago.

My point - you believe everything you are shown or told, and do not question what you are told. It "seems" that if it is correlation with your beliefs, then it is true, if it is not commensurate with your beliefs, then it is negativity.

Regards,

Shadders.