hey prof , im thinking about buying a panasonic 46g10 , i know the black levels on that screen are not as deep as a kuro , but they are the closest out there , do you think i would gain much more insight into dark scenes with the panny vs a samsung 46b650 lcd , or any non led lcds out there , given it has 2m to 1 contrast ratio ???
Davey1984:I originally bought the PDP-LX5090 in March since then I have had 1 set replaced, now the other 5090 has developed problems. They have offered to try and resolve the issue and send a Engineer out but after paying £2100 for this Set, I can't be bothered with more hassle. So am I able to ask for a exchange towards something else ar RS?
I had the 5090, sans problems and did, at the time, not think there was any real alternative. Samsungs top LCD's came, imo, closest with somewhat less drawbacks than most of the competition (bar Sony's very top tv's) whilst still retaining some of the benefits of a Kuro.
That was some 8 months ago and things may have changed now. What's the issue with yours?
I had the 5090, sans problems and did, at the time, not think there was any real alternative. Samsungs top LCD's came, imo, closest with somewhat less drawbacks than most of the competition (bar Sony's very top tv's) whilst still retaining some of the benefits of a Kuro.
That was some 8 months ago and things may have changed now. What's the issue with yours?
professorhat
Well-known member
maxflinn:hey prof , im thinking about buying a panasonic 46g10 , i know the black levels on that screen are not as deep as a kuro , but they are the closest out there , do you think i would gain much more insight into dark scenes with the panny vs a samsung 46b650 lcd , or any non led lcds out there , given it has 2m to 1 contrast ratio ???
Having done some (though admittedly not thorough) research and demos into sets around this size (46" to 50"), I'm still not wholly convinced on LCD sets in the 46" and above sizes. Unfortunately quite a few of the places I visited only had the brightly lit showrooms and an incredibly bad signal feed into the sets to compare against (why showrooms do this beggars belief), but the plasmas still seemed to present a better picture to my eyes - but then that's just me and my preferences as I know a lot of people prefer LCDs over plasmas.
At any rate, once I'd demoed the Pioneer, I didn't need to think about anything else - it's truly stunning and I couldn't put off the nagging feeling if I didn't get one before they disappear I'd sincerely regret it. Sorry, this doesn't really help with your choices above (the two sets you mention above I didn't look at in detail I'm afraid) - the best bet honestly is to try and get somewhere where you can see them for yourself as it's the only way you'll know which you prefer. One thing's for sure, don't rely on the specs - they're written with marketing in mind and don't give you a true story on the actual performance.
Having done some (though admittedly not thorough) research and demos into sets around this size (46" to 50"), I'm still not wholly convinced on LCD sets in the 46" and above sizes. Unfortunately quite a few of the places I visited only had the brightly lit showrooms and an incredibly bad signal feed into the sets to compare against (why showrooms do this beggars belief), but the plasmas still seemed to present a better picture to my eyes - but then that's just me and my preferences as I know a lot of people prefer LCDs over plasmas.
At any rate, once I'd demoed the Pioneer, I didn't need to think about anything else - it's truly stunning and I couldn't put off the nagging feeling if I didn't get one before they disappear I'd sincerely regret it. Sorry, this doesn't really help with your choices above (the two sets you mention above I didn't look at in detail I'm afraid) - the best bet honestly is to try and get somewhere where you can see them for yourself as it's the only way you'll know which you prefer. One thing's for sure, don't rely on the specs - they're written with marketing in mind and don't give you a true story on the actual performance.
drummerman:
I had the 5090, sans problems and did, at the time, not think there was any real alternative. Samsungs top LCD's came, imo, closest with somewhat less drawbacks than most of the competition (bar Sony's very top tv's) whilst still retaining some of the benefits of a Kuro.
That was some 8 months ago and things may have changed now. What's the issue with yours?
There is a strange yellow tinge towards the left hand side of the screen which the engineer clearly pointed without really having a look at the Pioneer. Also IR was extremely severe with the engineer also agreeing. I believe I am just extremely unfortunate with this set. The 5090 is without the doubt the best set you can buy right now but those Panasonic NeoPDP Panels are very good, I have demoed the the 50" V10 Series and was highly impressed, it's not as good as the 5090 but it ain't far off and for around £1300 it's pretty good value.
I am not sure I could go back to LED/LCD now.
I had the 5090, sans problems and did, at the time, not think there was any real alternative. Samsungs top LCD's came, imo, closest with somewhat less drawbacks than most of the competition (bar Sony's very top tv's) whilst still retaining some of the benefits of a Kuro.
That was some 8 months ago and things may have changed now. What's the issue with yours?
There is a strange yellow tinge towards the left hand side of the screen which the engineer clearly pointed without really having a look at the Pioneer. Also IR was extremely severe with the engineer also agreeing. I believe I am just extremely unfortunate with this set. The 5090 is without the doubt the best set you can buy right now but those Panasonic NeoPDP Panels are very good, I have demoed the the 50" V10 Series and was highly impressed, it's not as good as the 5090 but it ain't far off and for around £1300 it's pretty good value.
I am not sure I could go back to LED/LCD now.
professorhat:
maxflinn:hey prof , im thinking about buying a panasonic 46g10 , i know the black levels on that screen are not as deep as a kuro , but they are the closest out there , do you think i would gain much more insight into dark scenes with the panny vs a samsung 46b650 lcd , or any non led lcds out there , given it has 2m to 1 contrast ratio ???
Having done some (though admittedly not thorough) research and demos into sets around this size (46" to 50"), I'm still not wholly convinced on LCD sets in the 46" and above sizes. Unfortunately quite a few of the places I visited only had the brightly lit showrooms and an incredibly bad signal feed into the sets to compare against (why showrooms do this beggars belief), but the plasmas still seemed to present a better picture to my eyes - but then that's just me and my preferences as I know a lot of people prefer LCDs over plasmas.
At any rate, once I'd demoed the Pioneer, I didn't need to think about anything else - it's truly stunning and I couldn't put off the nagging feeling if I didn't get one before they disappear I'd sincerely regret it. Sorry, this doesn't really help with your choices above (the two sets you mention above I didn't look at in detail I'm afraid) - the best bet honestly is to try and get somewhere where you can see them for yourself as it's the only way you'll know which you prefer. One thing's for sure, don't rely on the specs - they're written with marketing in mind and don't give you a true story on the actual performance.
maxflinn:hey prof , im thinking about buying a panasonic 46g10 , i know the black levels on that screen are not as deep as a kuro , but they are the closest out there , do you think i would gain much more insight into dark scenes with the panny vs a samsung 46b650 lcd , or any non led lcds out there , given it has 2m to 1 contrast ratio ???
Having done some (though admittedly not thorough) research and demos into sets around this size (46" to 50"), I'm still not wholly convinced on LCD sets in the 46" and above sizes. Unfortunately quite a few of the places I visited only had the brightly lit showrooms and an incredibly bad signal feed into the sets to compare against (why showrooms do this beggars belief), but the plasmas still seemed to present a better picture to my eyes - but then that's just me and my preferences as I know a lot of people prefer LCDs over plasmas.
At any rate, once I'd demoed the Pioneer, I didn't need to think about anything else - it's truly stunning and I couldn't put off the nagging feeling if I didn't get one before they disappear I'd sincerely regret it. Sorry, this doesn't really help with your choices above (the two sets you mention above I didn't look at in detail I'm afraid) - the best bet honestly is to try and get somewhere where you can see them for yourself as it's the only way you'll know which you prefer. One thing's for sure, don't rely on the specs - they're written with marketing in mind and don't give you a true story on the actual performance.
Davey1984:drummerman:
I had the 5090, sans problems and did, at the time, not think there was any real alternative. Samsungs top LCD's came, imo, closest with somewhat less drawbacks than most of the competition (bar Sony's very top tv's) whilst still retaining some of the benefits of a Kuro.
That was some 8 months ago and things may have changed now. What's the issue with yours?
There is a strange yellow tinge towards the left hand side of the screen which the engineer clearly pointed without really having a look at the Pioneer. Also IR was extremely severe with the engineer also agreeing. I believe I am just extremely unfortunate with this set. The 5090 is without the doubt the best set you can buy right now but those Panasonic NeoPDP Panels are very good, I have demoed the the 50" V10 Series and was highly impressed, it's not as good as the 5090 but it ain't far off and for around £1300 it's pretty good value.
I am not sure I could go back to LED/LCD now.
Those Kuro's are certainly not without their (well documented) problems but ImageRetention is not usually one them, neither is the 'yellow tinge'. There where a number of things I found annoying about the sets, the relative lack of brightness and dimming on high brightness screen content probably being the biggest ones but compared to the compromises other technologies/manufacturers sets had it was tolerable, just about. Especially at the price they sold for eventually which was around a quarter less than what I paid. Never thought much of Panasonic Plasmas other than the behemot they featured at the bristol show which was truly extraordinary imo.
I had the 5090, sans problems and did, at the time, not think there was any real alternative. Samsungs top LCD's came, imo, closest with somewhat less drawbacks than most of the competition (bar Sony's very top tv's) whilst still retaining some of the benefits of a Kuro.
That was some 8 months ago and things may have changed now. What's the issue with yours?
There is a strange yellow tinge towards the left hand side of the screen which the engineer clearly pointed without really having a look at the Pioneer. Also IR was extremely severe with the engineer also agreeing. I believe I am just extremely unfortunate with this set. The 5090 is without the doubt the best set you can buy right now but those Panasonic NeoPDP Panels are very good, I have demoed the the 50" V10 Series and was highly impressed, it's not as good as the 5090 but it ain't far off and for around £1300 it's pretty good value.
I am not sure I could go back to LED/LCD now.
Those Kuro's are certainly not without their (well documented) problems but ImageRetention is not usually one them, neither is the 'yellow tinge'. There where a number of things I found annoying about the sets, the relative lack of brightness and dimming on high brightness screen content probably being the biggest ones but compared to the compromises other technologies/manufacturers sets had it was tolerable, just about. Especially at the price they sold for eventually which was around a quarter less than what I paid. Never thought much of Panasonic Plasmas other than the behemot they featured at the bristol show which was truly extraordinary imo.
hi drummerman , i seem to recall you were going to sell your kuro , if so , what did you replace it with ??
Well RS agreed to an exchange or even a refund. The big problem is what set I go for now having had the best HDTV for the past 8 months.
Drummerman - Do you still have your PDP-LX5090?
Drummerman - Do you still have your PDP-LX5090?
bigboss
Moderator
If RS have a 5090 in stock, I would go for it. I think the next best TV currently available is the Panasonic TH-50VX100 (not available in Richer Sounds, but if you get a refund, you can buy it elsewhere).
http://www.tlcbroadcast.co.uk/panasonic-th-50vx100-ex-demo-1080p-full-hd-50-plasma-display-p-741.html?ref=6
Otherwise, the Panasonic V10 is always an excellent option.
http://www.tlcbroadcast.co.uk/panasonic-th-50vx100-ex-demo-1080p-full-hd-50-plasma-display-p-741.html?ref=6
Otherwise, the Panasonic V10 is always an excellent option.
bigboss:
If RS have a 5090 in stock, I would go for it. I think the next best TV currently available is the Panasonic TH-50VX100 (not available in Richer Sounds, but if you get a refund, you can buy it elsewhere).
http://www.tlcbroadcast.co.uk/panasonic-th-50vx100-ex-demo-1080p-full-hd-50-plasma-display-p-741.html?ref=6
Otherwise, the Panasonic V10 is always an excellent option.
They currently don't have another 5090 in stock. Max budget is £2000. I think I will invest in the TH-50V10 but it's hard to find it in stock for the right price at the moment.
If RS have a 5090 in stock, I would go for it. I think the next best TV currently available is the Panasonic TH-50VX100 (not available in Richer Sounds, but if you get a refund, you can buy it elsewhere).
http://www.tlcbroadcast.co.uk/panasonic-th-50vx100-ex-demo-1080p-full-hd-50-plasma-display-p-741.html?ref=6
Otherwise, the Panasonic V10 is always an excellent option.
They currently don't have another 5090 in stock. Max budget is £2000. I think I will invest in the TH-50V10 but it's hard to find it in stock for the right price at the moment.
bigboss
Moderator
The V10 is available here:
http://www.directtvs.co.uk/Panasonic_TX-P50V10B_50_Inch_HD_Ready_Plasma_TV_TX-P50V10B/version.asp?refsource=dtfroogle
http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/9223419/Panasonic-Viera-NeoPDP-V10-Series-50-TX-P50V10-HD-1080p-Freesat-Freeview-Slim-Plasma-TV/Product.html?&_$ja=tsid:11518%7Ccc:%7Cprd:9223419%7Ccat:LCD
http://www.directtvs.co.uk/Panasonic_TX-P50V10B_50_Inch_HD_Ready_Plasma_TV_TX-P50V10B/version.asp?refsource=dtfroogle
http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/9223419/Panasonic-Viera-NeoPDP-V10-Series-50-TX-P50V10-HD-1080p-Freesat-Freeview-Slim-Plasma-TV/Product.html?&_$ja=tsid:11518%7Ccc:%7Cprd:9223419%7Ccat:LCD
bigboss:
The V10 is available here:
http://www.directtvs.co.uk/Panasonic_TX-P50V10B_50_Inch_HD_Ready_Plasma_TV_TX-P50V10B/version.asp?refsource=dtfroogle
http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/9223419/Panasonic-Viera-NeoPDP-V10-Series-50-TX-P50V10-HD-1080p-Freesat-Freeview-Slim-Plasma-TV/Product.html?&_$ja=tsid:11518%7Ccc:%7Cprd:9223419%7Ccat:LCD
Both had sold out mate. Managed to get it from AVAddicts though for £1400 with 5 year warranty.I was lucky to get the last one, just about everywhere has sold out and are not expecting any more stock until after Christmas.
The V10 is available here:
http://www.directtvs.co.uk/Panasonic_TX-P50V10B_50_Inch_HD_Ready_Plasma_TV_TX-P50V10B/version.asp?refsource=dtfroogle
http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/9223419/Panasonic-Viera-NeoPDP-V10-Series-50-TX-P50V10-HD-1080p-Freesat-Freeview-Slim-Plasma-TV/Product.html?&_$ja=tsid:11518%7Ccc:%7Cprd:9223419%7Ccat:LCD
Both had sold out mate. Managed to get it from AVAddicts though for £1400 with 5 year warranty.I was lucky to get the last one, just about everywhere has sold out and are not expecting any more stock until after Christmas.
maxflinn:hi drummerman , i seem to recall you were going to sell your kuro , if so , what did you replace it with ??
I'm just using a Panasonic LCD. I simply sold it because I started a business and needed to put everything into it, as you do.
regards
I'm just using a Panasonic LCD. I simply sold it because I started a business and needed to put everything into it, as you do.
regards
drummerman:
maxflinn:hi drummerman , i seem to recall you were going to sell your kuro , if so , what did you replace it with ??
I'm just using a Panasonic LCD. I simply sold it because I started a business and needed to put everything into it, as you do.
regards
cheers , good luck with the business ...
maxflinn:hi drummerman , i seem to recall you were going to sell your kuro , if so , what did you replace it with ??
I'm just using a Panasonic LCD. I simply sold it because I started a business and needed to put everything into it, as you do.
regards
cheers , good luck with the business ...
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