Gazzip said:
So far no difference at all using jriver
New software upgrade it all tags quicker also
Maybe it's not down to the file type
I keep a backup of my music on an external HD in case of a PC disk failure. Copying via USB 3 to a HD is much quicker than using a NAS on ethernet.
But they contain identical information, so how can they sound different?
ellisdj said:
But they contain identical information, so how can they sound different?
Andrewjvt said:
More importantly in my view if your main drive is a SSD, your PC will reboot much much more quickly, and I believe a SSD will last longer, and it produces less heat.
Early days and no direct comparisons but I can't hear any difference between flac and wave, Ellis
I can't hear any difference, Ellis
Ellis, I can't hear a difference
Ellis where are you come back here haha
I'm enjoying redoing all the discs
I have lots of work so keep sticking in one every few minutes
I can't hear any difference, Ellis
Ellis, I can't hear a difference
Ellis where are you come back here haha
I'm enjoying redoing all the discs
I have lots of work so keep sticking in one every few minutes
If you really want me to mess you up i would say its because your ripping in jriver not dbpoweramp.
Time to start again.
Also what are you ripping to ssd or hd?
Time to start again.
Also what are you ripping to ssd or hd?
Hhd laptop I'm afraidellisdj said:
That's all I have
What do you have against jriver
It has bit perfect checking and all
I personally love it
Nothing andrew mate I havent used it in years so no Idea what its like now. I was just getting you at it
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But they contain identical information, so how can they sound different?
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Okay this is my story and I'm sticking to it.
Mac mini lossless itunes to NAD 390 via optical compared to Sony BDP 720 connected via coax - no differance
Jriver on 30 day free trail converts libary to flac , no differance to the Sony or itunes via optical.
Switch things around use usb from Mini to NAD , I'm now listening jriver usb to nad in the room , itunes to airplay around the house.
jriver expires and I go back to itunes in the room WTF ? tiny stage, no bass and a harsh treble (this is a NAD amp remember <S>) I'm moving speakers and checking connections.
I switch back to the optical connection everything is back to fine.
This has to be the way the DAC is decoding the different inputs.
So 5 billion words later , they can sound different
But they contain identical information, so how can they sound different?
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Okay this is my story and I'm sticking to it.
Mac mini lossless itunes to NAD 390 via optical compared to Sony BDP 720 connected via coax - no differance
Jriver on 30 day free trail converts libary to flac , no differance to the Sony or itunes via optical.
Switch things around use usb from Mini to NAD , I'm now listening jriver usb to nad in the room , itunes to airplay around the house.
jriver expires and I go back to itunes in the room WTF ? tiny stage, no bass and a harsh treble (this is a NAD amp remember <S>) I'm moving speakers and checking connections.
I switch back to the optical connection everything is back to fine.
This has to be the way the DAC is decoding the different inputs.
So 5 billion words later , they can sound different
But they contain identical information, so how can they sound different?
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Okay this is my story and I'm sticking to it.
Mac mini lossless itunes to NAD 390 via optical compared to Sony BDP 720 connected via coax - no differance
Jriver on 30 day free trail converts libary to flac , no differance to the Sony or itunes via optical.
Switch things around use usb from Mini to NAD , I'm now listening jriver usb to nad in the room , itunes to airplay around the house.
jriver expires and I go back to itunes in the room WTF ? tiny stage, no bass and a harsh treble (this is a NAD amp remember <S>) I'm moving speakers and checking connections.
I switch back to the optical connection everything is back to fine.
This has to be the way the DAC is decoding the different inputs.
So 5 billion words later , they can sound different
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Sorry but I'm not quite sure what you mean
Please explain again
Btw I'm already about 70 discs in
Yes but maybe not different but softer or louder.
Only example I have is optical out on my TV is much quieter than optical out on my Blu-ray
Same disc same dac
I would like clarification from someone that knows does digital out have an output level?
Only example I have is optical out on my TV is much quieter than optical out on my Blu-ray
Same disc same dac
I would like clarification from someone that knows does digital out have an output level?
JamesMellor said:
I haven't a clue what you said, but WAV and FLAC sound the same, they are the same as far as the music goes. Compressing and decompressing is easy to do and very easy to test to make sure it is bit perfect.
Last year i had a spin on the Jriver Mac version, personally id never have bought it. Was curious so had a free trial.
To me it seemed a wee bit if a faff to use. Sounded good.
Flac - today i shoved a usb stick with some 16/44.1 into my network player/peasant thing and to be honest it didnt sound wildly different to Spotify Premium. Not enough of a difference to make me start archiving a massive collection of preferred codecs.
I dont own a nas drive.
I often wonder what people do with thier nas drives. Surely nobody listens to everything on it. Lets be honest weve all got albums on cd that we never listen to, but just dont chuck out.
Why do people painstakingly rip/catalogue anything they can get thier hands on and then skip past it?
To me it seemed a wee bit if a faff to use. Sounded good.
Flac - today i shoved a usb stick with some 16/44.1 into my network player/peasant thing and to be honest it didnt sound wildly different to Spotify Premium. Not enough of a difference to make me start archiving a massive collection of preferred codecs.
I dont own a nas drive.
I often wonder what people do with thier nas drives. Surely nobody listens to everything on it. Lets be honest weve all got albums on cd that we never listen to, but just dont chuck out.
Why do people painstakingly rip/catalogue anything they can get thier hands on and then skip past it?
I guess I'm saying my DAC amp "translates" opitcal/coax the same reguradless of file type. On the USB input the two formats sound different, this could well be a failure of the DAC amp software. I have seen on this forum a guy commenting his new mac with just USB3 outputs sounds different to his old optical out.
I'm thinking different formats may sound different with different DACs
James
I'm thinking different formats may sound different with different DACs
James
steve_1979
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steve_1979
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I agree , but save an excel file and open it in works or word , its all there but over four pages , open it in numbers and its all there but at an 80% page size when printed, open a word file in pages fill it in save it and open it in word the forumilas dont work and everything is xxxx's.
After that try open office.
The data can be presented differently
After that try open office.
The data can be presented differently
steve_1979
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WAV and FLAC files sound 100% identical. FLAC is just a type of file compression like a ZIP file for you computer. Once the data is unpacked from the FLAC file exactly the same information is presented to the DAC as would be from a WAV file.
Think about it like this. If you have a DOC document file on you computer and you compress it to a ZIP file it will take up half the disk space but when you uncompress the ZIP file back to it's original DOC format it's still exactly the same as before. There won't be any letters changed or words missing just because it was converted from a DOC to ZIP and back to a DOC again. The uncompressed document information is 100% unchanged and identical to the original in every way.
The same applies to FLAC files. Once they are uncompressed the information in them is 100% exactly the same as the information on the original audio CD or WAV file.
100% IDENTICAL ! ! !
It's called 'lossless' for a reason guys.
Think about it like this. If you have a DOC document file on you computer and you compress it to a ZIP file it will take up half the disk space but when you uncompress the ZIP file back to it's original DOC format it's still exactly the same as before. There won't be any letters changed or words missing just because it was converted from a DOC to ZIP and back to a DOC again. The uncompressed document information is 100% unchanged and identical to the original in every way.
The same applies to FLAC files. Once they are uncompressed the information in them is 100% exactly the same as the information on the original audio CD or WAV file.
100% IDENTICAL ! ! !
It's called 'lossless' for a reason guys.
Just rip a track to FLAC and WAV and open them in Soundforge, Audicity or any other software of the like.
Claiming WAV is different or sounds better is beyond silly.
Claiming WAV is different or sounds better is beyond silly.
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