Interconnect

[TrevC]

It's divine providence dave tried nothing but has 100% on everything

I don't comment on anything I know nothing about, but you, on the other hand......

 

[TrevC]

Mains quality is the second - it hinders a system ability to produce its full scale of sound and the system ability for the sound to be truly free of the speakers.

Utter bollocks.

 

[ellisdj]

It's divine providence dave tried nothing but has 100% experiece on everything

 

[ellisdj]

Your digital source won't sound the same as mine TrevC your 100% wrong on that one I can assure you

 

[TrevC]

Your digital source won't sound the same as mine TrevC your 100% wrong on that one I can assure you

Oh yes it will!

 

[ellisdj]

If it makes you feel better thinking that you carry on

 

[TrevC]

If it makes you feel better thinking that you carry on

If you think my digital sources must sound worse then you do the same. You are wrong about everything else, so why not that?

 

[ellisdj]

I didnt say worse I said not the same - it could be better but it wont be the same

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Yes they do - they have their own ring main purely for the AV system with its own fuse board.

All houses have a single mains input, so regardless of fannying about with extra wiring and fuse boxes everything on the mains in everyone's house is connected together.

Even more reason for mains filtering TrevC because not only is there noise on the mains created from your own house there is noise from all your neighbours as well.

Ignore TrevC he would keep a few quid in your pocket but if I was listening to what he suggests I wouldn't even bother listening.

My system is completely silent, no pops, clicks or interference of any kind even at full volume, so it is obviously better than your interference ridden stuff that needs filters.

Ignore Ellis Dj, he clearly has lots of money to waste but is technically clueless.

Doesnt mean it sounds good TrevC - but if it does to you fair play

Well, the amplifier and digital sources will sound the same as yours, so I'm happy.

so TrevC what is you current setup ? As I noticed that you think we are all mad for spending good money in getting the perfect setup .

 

[keeper of the quays]

I have a t amp which runs on batteries or 12v transformer. Can't say I noticed much difference between either power source, but my mate has just got two Cyrus power supplies to go with his Cyrus cdp and dac..and suddenly it got better? Good before..he had cdp/dac for a month before deciding on power supplies as well...well worth it..but he is like me..cables galore! Changing this one for that one..to see how it sounds with this bit of kit! Then swapping it for another cable..lol...inbetween this lunacy we drink whisky..and I must admit when Cyrus kit is in standby model it looks pretty cool..

 

[BigH]

I didnt say worse I said not the same - it could be better but it wont be the same

Your system seems more for home cinema?

 

[chebby]

Yes they do - they have their own ring main purely for the AV system with its own fuse board.

All houses have a single mains input, so regardless of fannying about with extra wiring and fuse boxes everything on the mains in everyone's house is connected together.

Even more reason for mains filtering TrevC because not only is there noise on the mains created from your own house there is noise from all your neighbours as well.

Ignore TrevC he would keep a few quid in your pocket but if I was listening to what he suggests I wouldn't even bother listening.

My system is completely silent, no pops, clicks or interference of any kind even at full volume, so it is obviously better than your interference ridden stuff that needs filters.

Ignore Ellis Dj, he clearly has lots of money to waste but is technically clueless.

Doesnt mean it sounds good TrevC - but if it does to you fair play

Well, the amplifier and digital sources will sound the same as yours, so I'm happy.

so TrevC what is you current setup ? As I noticed that you think we are all mad for spending good money in getting the perfect setup .

Hopefully nothing more expensive than a cheap, old DVD player and a Behringer amp and loudspeakers from off the local tip (with freeby leads) or i'll be very disappointed.

I want to see that 'hair shirt' system really, really scratchy and pest ridden or i'll suspect the man of enjoying himself.

 

[ellisdj]

I didnt say worse I said not the same - it could be better but it wont be the same 

Your system seems more for home cinema? 

It's 50/50 for me in terms of usage but 1 system to do both so it has to lean towards cinema. I think you can have 1 system be excellent at both if you buy the right bits and do all the right things.

 

[radiorog]

Just incase you are still reading this canham, I was looking at interconnects in this price range and went for atlas element as had previous atlas cables which were excellent. The elements are mighty fine cable. I now have three sets of atlas interconnects and all are superb. People who say interconnects don't alter the sound simply don't know what they are talking about. They should try out better kit and see for themselves.

 

[TrevC]

Just incase you are still reading this canham, I was looking at interconnects in this price range and went for atlas element as had previous atlas cables which were excellent. The elements are mighty fine cable. I now have three sets of atlas interconnects and all are superb. People who say interconnects don't alter the sound simply don't know what they are talking about. They should try out better kit and see for themselves.

It's difficult to imagine differences when you know there can't possibly be any. Same goes for mains stuff, no possible differences there either.

 

[TrevC]

so TrevC what is you current setup ? As I noticed that you think we are all mad for spending good money in getting the perfect setup .

Mine varies according to whatever it is I'm repairing. Currently I'm testing an elderly Pioneer tuner amp that's supposed to have an intermittent fault, but the missus doesn't like it because it has no remote.

 

[TomSawyer]

It's difficult to imagine differences when you know there can't possibly be any.

TrevC, can you explain why this is. It's clearly something you have no doubt about but I struggle to understand why an interconnect is different to any other part of the signal path where the quality of the conductor, the screening against RFI and the quality of junctions can degrade the final result.

 

[TrevC]

It's difficult to imagine differences when you know there can't possibly be any.

TrevC, can you explain why this is. It's clearly something you have no doubt about but I struggle to understand why an interconnect is different to any other part of the signal path where the quality of the conductor, the screening against RFI and the quality of junctions can degrade the final result.

I would like you to explain why you think a piece of screened wire can degrade the signal in a non-critical application like an interconnect used at line levels. Who told you that? They lied. Almost any piece of wire will work well in terms of connecting the signal. You could even do it with a coat hanger. http://gizmodo.com/363154/audiophile-deathmatch-monster-cables-vs-a-coat-hanger

Forget about the screening, all the red and blacks are good in that department, they use very well screened wire. When rewiring a turntable I used a cut up freebie, the £20 better looking one I wanted to use hummed.

 

[TomSawyer]

I would like you to explain why you think a piece of screened wire can degrade the signal in a non-critical application like an interconnect used at line levels. Who told you that? They lied.

No one told me, there's no conspiracy and I'm not trying to catch you out. I'm new and trying to understand. I'm open minded but not prepared to believe anything just because someone says-so so I ask questions.

in the absence of knowledge, one must deduce, and the fact that RCA connections are coax I thought implies a danger of RFI, hence a decent coax cable. This seems to be backed up by the fact that XLR is the alternative. The fact that cheap crimped connections are prone to corrosion, I assumed meant that good soldered connections were better. I also assumed that good separation between the screen and the centre was better (based on aerial coax).

Happy to have all this debunked, that's the point of asking, but saying I'm wrong and have been lied to isnt the compelling case I was hoping for.

 

[TrevC]

I would like you to explain why you think a piece of screened wire can degrade the signal in a non-critical application like an interconnect used at line levels. Who told you that? They lied.

No one told me, there's no conspiracy and I'm not trying to catch you out. I'm new and trying to understand. I'm open minded but not prepared to believe anything just because someone says-so so I ask questions.

in the absence of knowledge, one must deduce, and the fact that RCA connections are coax I thought implies a danger of RFI, hence a decent coax cable. This seems to be backed up by the fact that XLR is the alternative. The fact that cheap crimped connections are prone to corrosion, I assumed meant that good soldered connections were better. I also assumed that good separation between the screen and the centre was better (based on aerial coax).

Happy to have all this debunked, that's the point of asking, but saying I'm wrong and have been lied to isnt the compelling case I was hoping for.

Check out the interconnect and mains stuff reviews on this website. Absolute balderdash, all of them.

 

[hybridauth_Google_112658120703314018098]

I'm not an expert but understood that screening WAS important on interconnects, just as it is with RF cables. Termination quality also. Yes you can use a coathanger (just as you can with an aerial) but don't expect the best results.

That's an entirely different thing from "believing" high end cable reviews that infer almost magical qualities on expensive interconnects. A well made, well screened cable doesn't have to cost a lot.

 

[TomSawyer]

I'm not an expert but understood that screening WAS important on interconnects, just as it is with RF cables. Termination quality also. Yes you can use a coathanger (just as you can with an aerial) but don't expect the best results.

That's an entirely different thing from "believing" high end cable reviews that infer almost magical qualities on expensive interconnects. A well made, well screened cable doesn't have to cost a lot.

That's pretty much the conclusion I'd come to: it was worth upgrading from a freebie to, say, a £20 cable, but not to a £100 or £1000 one.

 

[TrevC]

My point is If you plug any interconnect cable in and it works on both channels and is not intermittent in any way there is no point in replacing it. The connection is satisfactorily made. The coathanger experiment demonstrated that audible differences were not detected by listeners.

 

[TomSawyer]

My point is If you plug any interconnect cable in and it works on both channels and is not intermittent in any way there is no point in replacing it. The connection is satisfactorily made. The coathanger experiment demonstrated that audible differences were not detected by listeners.

Fair enough, but there's a difference between simple continuity (working without intermittences) and cleanliness, surely? What was the RFI environment for the coat hanger experiment? Some people live beside 132kV bulk feeder stations, others by IGBT drives for elevators. Putting a cable into the signal chain that acts like an aeriel doesn't seem sensible for anyone who doesn't live in a Faraday cage.

 

[ellisdj]

Doesn't matter 7 ransoms in God knows what conditions couldn't hear a difference between a coat hanger. That's obviously representative of 50 billion humans or however many there are