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[ellisdj]

They dont only benefit amplifiers TrevC.

Would you say all power supplies reduce all the noise on the power line - course not.

Look at the long established brand Bryston - used in many studios around the world and lots of high end listening rooms. Long in favour of no mains conditioning none of that nonsense. Well they make their own

This is from the 4th Iteration of amplier - the cubed range

The Cubed Series is a statement design platform ideal for music enthusiasts, home theater installations and professional audio applications. . Engineering achievements are at the forefront of the new designs, featuring a patented super-linear, low noise input buffer jointly developed by Bryston and the late Ph.D. engineer Dr. Ioan Alexandru Salomie. The Cubed Series also has a more robust RF and audio frequency noise filtering circuit before the power supplies to prevent unwanted anomalies on the power line from interfering even minutely with the audio signal.

Why would they bother if it was not a problem?

What happens if you dont have their quality of power supply stage design in your gear, and what about the rest of your gear - is it designed to this standard in terms of power supply design I doubt it.

What if you dont have a dedicated mains feed to your equipment its just on the same supply as the rest of the house with computers, tv's fridge freezers - the thought of that many smps power supplies on your mains is enough to cause an audiophile to have a coronary

 

[TrevC]

They dont only benefit amplifiers TrevC.

Would you say all power supplies reduce all the noise on the power line - course not.

Look at the long established brand Bryston - used in many studios around the world and lots of high end listening rooms. Long in favour of no mains conditioning none of that nonsense. Well they make their own

This is from the 4th Iteration of amplier - the cubed range

The Cubed Series is a statement design platform ideal for music enthusiasts, home theater installations and professional audio applications. . Engineering achievements are at the forefront of the new designs, featuring a patented super-linear, low noise input buffer jointly developed by Bryston and the late Ph.D. engineer Dr. Ioan Alexandru Salomie. The Cubed Series also has a more robust RF and audio frequency noise filtering circuit before the power supplies to prevent unwanted anomalies on the power line from interfering even minutely with the audio signal.

Why would they bother if it was not a problem?

What happens if you dont have their quality of power supply stage design in your gear, and what about the rest of your gear - is it designed to this standard in terms of power supply design I doubt it.

What if you dont have a dedicated mains feed to your equipment its just on the same supply as the rest of the house with computers, tv's fridge freezers - the thought of that many smps power supplies on your mains is enough to cause an audiophile to have a coronary

You are just clueless. Nobody has a dedicated mains feed just for the hifi, and even if they did it wouldn't affect the performance of it.

 

[ellisdj]

Yes they do - they have their own ring main purely for the AV system with its own fuse board.

This is what I have - a dedicated 6mm2 mains from a single fuse board to a 1 pair of sockets Furutech - this links via 4mm2 to another double mains plug Furutech. Thats the only sockets on this loop.

So my system is not on the same ring main as other things in the house - such as computers, routers, laptops, phone chargers, fridge freezers - tons of smps power supplies.

I am sure there is more than 1 person who has done this. I bet some people have a dedicated earth rod in the garden as well just for these sockets. I didnt do that.

Even with this done my system all pretty much runs off the Isotek Titan and sounds much better for it.

 

[BigH]

They dont only benefit amplifiers TrevC.

Would you say all power supplies reduce all the noise on the power line - course not.

Look at the long established brand Bryston - used in many studios around the world and lots of high end listening rooms. Long in favour of no mains conditioning none of that nonsense. Well they make their own

This is from the 4th Iteration of amplier - the cubed range

The Cubed Series is a statement design platform ideal for music enthusiasts, home theater installations and professional audio applications. . Engineering achievements are at the forefront of the new designs, featuring a patented super-linear, low noise input buffer jointly developed by Bryston and the late Ph.D. engineer Dr. Ioan Alexandru Salomie. The Cubed Series also has a more robust RF and audio frequency noise filtering circuit before the power supplies to prevent unwanted anomalies on the power line from interfering even minutely with the audio signal.

Why would they bother if it was not a problem?

What happens if you dont have their quality of power supply stage design in your gear, and what about the rest of your gear - is it designed to this standard in terms of power supply design I doubt it.

What if you dont have a dedicated mains feed to your equipment its just on the same supply as the rest of the house with computers, tv's fridge freezers - the thought of that many smps power supplies on your mains is enough to cause an audiophile to have a coronary

But a mains lead will not get rid of noise? Mains conditioning is different from changing a mains lead?

 

[BigH]

Yes they do - they have their own ring main purely for the AV system with its own fuse board.

This is what I have - a dedicated 6mm2 mains from a single fuse board to a 1 pair of sockets Furutech - this links via 4mm2 to another double mains plug Furutech. Thats the only sockets on this loop.

So my system is not on the same ring main as other things in the house - such as computers, routers, laptops, phone chargers, fridge freezers - tons of smps power supplies.

I am sure there is more than 1 person who has done this. I bet some people have a dedicated earth rod in the garden as well just for these sockets. I didnt do that.

Even with this done my system all pretty much runs off the Isotek Titan and sounds much better for it.

Why have a ring if its just for the hifi?

 

[pauln]

They dont only benefit amplifiers TrevC.

Would you say all power supplies reduce all the noise on the power line - course not.

Look at the long established brand Bryston - used in many studios around the world and lots of high end listening rooms. Long in favour of no mains conditioning none of that nonsense. Well they make their own

This is from the 4th Iteration of amplier - the cubed range

The Cubed Series is a statement design platform ideal for music enthusiasts, home theater installations and professional audio applications. . Engineering achievements are at the forefront of the new designs, featuring a patented super-linear, low noise input buffer jointly developed by Bryston and the late Ph.D. engineer Dr. Ioan Alexandru Salomie. The Cubed Series also has a more robust RF and audio frequency noise filtering circuit before the power supplies to prevent unwanted anomalies on the power line from interfering even minutely with the audio signal.

Why would they bother if it was not a problem?

To make money?

That's why they are in business presumably?

 

[ellisdj]

I didnt say mains lead I said mains supply - some else threw leads in - although these still make big differences if you have right ones off the right supply

It has to be a ring to go back to the board? or is that wrong?

 

[Deleted member 116933]

Yes they do - they have their own ring main purely for the AV system with its own fuse board.

This is what I have - a dedicated 6mm2 mains from a single fuse board to a 1 pair of sockets Furutech - this links via 4mm2 to another double mains plug Furutech. Thats the only sockets on this loop.

So my system is not on the same ring main as other things in the house - such as computers, routers, laptops, phone chargers, fridge freezers - tons of smps power supplies.

I am sure there is more than 1 person who has done this. I bet some people have a dedicated earth rod in the garden as well just for these sockets. I didnt do that.

Even with this done my system all pretty much runs off the Isotek Titan and sounds much better for it.

Got to say it! he's actually correct in regards to feedback loops the bain of most subwoofer owners. And that same feedback can be heard in the amp's noise floor if you listen carfully (and i mean carfully) so in turn if you can reduce the amps nosie floor a little it will improve the sound. Also giving it a decated power supply would make a difference as well as it can call upon the whole power supply from the wall rather than shearing it between serveral devices. Thats just logical to me. Mians conditioners though im not to sure but my sparky friend say's they do make a differance

I havn't posted on here in a while and this is mostly why, poeple argueing rather than disccussing. Or posting rude comments as to why you wont hear a differeance! Just beacuse you can't dosnt meant thay can't. But there are limits.

I believe that those free wires are pumped out at such a high rate by the cheapest bidder with proably little to no quality control that it would be probably beneficial to buy some £20 cables just for the build qaulity alone. If there is a jump in sound quality (let you be the judge of that) thats a bonus

 

[ellisdj]

Or you could add a second sub to increase your overall output

 

[pauln]

I didnt say mains lead I said mains supply - some else threw leads in - although these still make big differences if you have right ones off the right supply

It has to be a ring to go back to the board? or is that wrong?

It's wrong as is virtually everything you say.

It can be a spur, just like the one feeding your cooker, assuming it's electric.

 

[ellisdj]

I thought you had to have a ring i.e to and from the board - then could have a spurs off the ring?

I am not an electrician so forgive a slight error there if it is one - its also semi irrelevant - but I do know how to get a system to sound Really Good - so whatever else you think I say is wrong - trust me that one is 100% right

 

[BigH]

I didnt say mains lead I said mains supply - some else threw leads in - although these still make big differences if you have right ones off the right supply

It has to be a ring to go back to the board? or is that wrong?

I thought you were talking about power leads? How can you change the electric outside the location? Most people use standard power supply?

Yes its wrong, you don't need a ring. A ring is if you want sockets in different locations, ie different rooms. I think uk is the only country to use rings, meant to save on wiring. The best way is to run a radial 20 amp back to the consumer unit however this will not keep them separate from the rest of the house, because everything is ultimately connected together at the supply anyway.

 

[ellisdj]

Sorry Radial Looks more accurate than ring - wrong use of word, again not an electrician.

The feed past the meter gets seperated via a junction box and goes to my single spur fuse board for the AV system only and to the main fuse board for the rest of the house.

Either way there is nothing else on this line - dont know the benefit of this individually - it was all part of a big renovation project, but it surely cant hurt. A lot of people must have this done or similar

 

[BigH]

Sorry Radial Looks more accurate than ring - wrong use of word, again not an electrician.

The feed past the meter gets seperated via a junction box and goes to my single spur fuse board for the AV system only and to the main fuse board for the rest of the house.

Either way there is nothing else on this line - dont know the benefit of this individually - it was all part of a big renovation project, but it surely cant hurt. A lot of people must have this done or similar

Yes it should help, however unless you have noisy mains probably not notice, on mine I never get interference from fridges, thermostats etc so I have not bothered. Sounds like you are spending a lot of money?

 

[ellisdj]

It wasnt that much extra on top of the work that was done at the time, extension and renovation. But while the ceilings were down and mess could be made it made sense to do it.

I think different to you - I think there is noise being added to the system all the time - in the mains on the earth - generated by airbourne rfi, self generated rfi by all the clocks etc in digital gear and def on the mains from other sources like smps power supplies everywhere. Tackling this is one of the keys to a more natural better sound - a sound to rival and better vinyl with all the convienience and flexibility / library management of digital - thats the goal

Who needs vinyl when digital sounds this good

 

[TomSawyer]

... just wondering whether we could turn stated positions into an instructive discussion that the OP and I might benefit from?

...so that would be "no" then?

 

[ellisdj]

... just wondering whether we could turn stated positions into an instructive discussion that the OP and I might benefit from?

...so that would be "no" then?

Good point - sorry - it couldnt be further away LOL

 

[TrevC]

Yes they do - they have their own ring main purely for the AV system with its own fuse board.

All houses have a single mains input, so regardless of fannying about with extra wiring and fuse boxes everything on the mains in everyone's house is connected together.

 

[TrevC]

Ignore EllisDJ, he has no clue about anything.

 

[ellisdj]

Yes they do - they have their own ring main purely for the AV system with its own fuse board.

 

All houses have a single mains input, so regardless of fannying about with extra wiring and fuse boxes everything on the mains in everyone's house is connected together.

Even more reason for mains filtering TrevC because not only is there noise on the mains created from your own house there is noise from all your neighbours as well.

Ignore TrevC he would keep a few quid in your pocket but if I was listening to what he suggests I wouldn't even bother listening.

 

[TrevC]

Yes they do - they have their own ring main purely for the AV system with its own fuse board.

All houses have a single mains input, so regardless of fannying about with extra wiring and fuse boxes everything on the mains in everyone's house is connected together.

Even more reason for mains filtering TrevC because not only is there noise on the mains created from your own house there is noise from all your neighbours as well.

Ignore TrevC he would keep a few quid in your pocket but if I was listening to what he suggests I wouldn't even bother listening.

My system is completely silent, no pops, clicks or interference of any kind even at full volume, so it is obviously better than your interference ridden stuff that needs filters.

Ignore Ellis Dj, he clearly has lots of money to waste but is technically clueless.

 

[ellisdj]

Yes they do - they have their own ring main purely for the AV system with its own fuse board.

All houses have a single mains input, so regardless of fannying about with extra wiring and fuse boxes everything on the mains in everyone's house is connected together.

Even more reason for mains filtering TrevC because not only is there noise on the mains created from your own house there is noise from all your neighbours as well.

Ignore TrevC he would keep a few quid in your pocket but if I was listening to what he suggests I wouldn't even bother listening.

My system is completely silent, no pops, clicks or interference of any kind even at full volume, so it is obviously better than your interference ridden stuff that needs filters.

Ignore Ellis Dj, he clearly has lots of money to waste but is technically clueless.

Doesnt mean it sounds good TrevC - but if it does to you fair play

 

[davidvann]

ellisdj, you know your wrong ,your forgetting trev c is the living God of all things hifi,in other post he talks of no god but how can he say that when he is the Lord of hifi.we should all bow before him, praise the lord he lives amongst us.

hope this helps

david

 

[TrevC]

ellisdj, you know your wrong ,your forgetting trev c is the living God of all things hifi,in other post he talks of no god but how can he say that when he is the Lord of hifi.we should all bow before him, praise the lord he lives amongst us.

hope this helps

david

I hate misinformation but gods rely on it for their very existence. :O)

 

[TrevC]

Yes they do - they have their own ring main purely for the AV system with its own fuse board.

All houses have a single mains input, so regardless of fannying about with extra wiring and fuse boxes everything on the mains in everyone's house is connected together.

Even more reason for mains filtering TrevC because not only is there noise on the mains created from your own house there is noise from all your neighbours as well.

Ignore TrevC he would keep a few quid in your pocket but if I was listening to what he suggests I wouldn't even bother listening.

My system is completely silent, no pops, clicks or interference of any kind even at full volume, so it is obviously better than your interference ridden stuff that needs filters.

Ignore Ellis Dj, he clearly has lots of money to waste but is technically clueless.

Doesnt mean it sounds good TrevC - but if it does to you fair play

Well, the amplifier and digital sources will sound the same as yours, so I'm happy.