It's because although the differences can be shown to exist they also appear as small. That's not what their marketing blurb says.
Native_bon
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Let's not forget cumulative differences. From mains to digital to analogue to speaker cables. then the difference gets much profound.insider9 said:
Samd
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insider9 said:
If manufacturers can extol the virtues of dog muck, then they can exaggerate the virtues of improved dog muck.
Sorry but I genuinely believe something is either missing or missed.
Samd said:
Not quite... I'm not the first person in the world who's done such a thing. Nordost have done similar measurements too. Only thing that's missing is it probably doesn't align with their financial interest. Otherwise they'd continue to do so.
https://nordost.com/downloads/NewApproachesToAudioMeasurement.pdf
Insider,
I am afraid that Nordost piece was written by someone in marketing.
How about something written by someone who actually knows what he is talking about:
http://www.libinst.com/AES%20Audio%20Differencing%20Paper.pdf
I am afraid that Nordost piece was written by someone in marketing.
How about something written by someone who actually knows what he is talking about:
http://www.libinst.com/AES%20Audio%20Differencing%20Paper.pdf
Can you confirm the guage, strands and length of all 3 wires, please?
I'd also recommend doing many tests on each wire and checking the average incase each reading is slightly different.
I'd also recommend doing many tests on each wire and checking the average incase each reading is slightly different.
Andrewjvt said:
I've compared as much as I could. There are differences. Unless there's something wrong with the methodology only explanation is that they measure differently. I'll quote my comment about the cables so I don't have to type it again.
The Law of Cables.
1. If you heard Cables sound different - You didn't.
2. If your Wife heard Cables sound different - She didn't
3. If you did a blind ABX test that showed a difference - You did it wrong
4. If you conducted the ABX test correctly - It doesn't count, if it's not Peer Reviewed
5. If you measured a difference - You measured the wrong thing
6. If you measured the right thing - You did it wrong, so it doesn't count.
*unknw* *dash1*
1. If you heard Cables sound different - You didn't.
2. If your Wife heard Cables sound different - She didn't
3. If you did a blind ABX test that showed a difference - You did it wrong
4. If you conducted the ABX test correctly - It doesn't count, if it's not Peer Reviewed
5. If you measured a difference - You measured the wrong thing
6. If you measured the right thing - You did it wrong, so it doesn't count.
*unknw* *dash1*
CnoEvil said:
That's your fault as well *biggrin*
I will be making mine though with non-hifi branded bits. I'll probably start a separate thread after I'm back from gym.
CnoEvil said:
Cno, if I told you to go and measure something with a wonky ruler, that measured differently depending on its mood, time of day, suggestions it had received about likely length to be measured, you would rightly suggest I am mad.
Yet you persist in 'let your ears be the judge' when all available evidence is that ears are no better than my wonky ruler at objective judgement.
You then try to justify your view of reality by dismissing technical arguments why the differences you hear are not due to changes in sound but your perception of the sound.
You are centainly at liberty to do this - it is after all a public forum, but don't be surprised when others call out this viewpoint as fundamentally flawed.
andyjm said:
Not only am I not surprised, I expect it.
You are knowledgeable and polite and I agree with you on a lot of areas....I just disagree on this...but C'est La Vie.
ok thanksinsider9 said:
So now my point.
I think you need to conduct the test again many times on the SAME cable to see if you also get small differences, Similar to the difference between the different cables.
Vladimir said:
No, as it's something you can say about somebody else's Wife (at a distance, on a Forum)! *diablo*
Andrewjvt said:
I did that Andrew. This was used as my baseline. 20 measurements of the a cable were compared. This was done for each cable. I even did averaging around midninght that day for each cable. Comparisons of each cable show differences which are about 3 times smaller than of different cables. Averaging graphs were not posted on this thread, as they only reaffirm above conclusions. It's measurable.
andyjm said:
Project already started *ok*
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Insider and Andy, as you know I have been thinking about this as well. I don't know if you have seen these tests, but they are insteresting and even entertaining:
Mains: http://archimago.blogspot.com/2014/02/measurements-power-cable-redux.html
Speaker cable: http://archimago.blogspot.com/2015/06/measurements-speaker-cables-wires.html
RCA interconnect: http://archimago.blogspot.com/2013/05/measurements-analogue-rca-interconnects.html
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