Difficult times for the HiFi forum

[Alec]

Just by the by (and at the risk of sounding like a kid on the IMdB yelling "you have to say IN MY OPINION"), many recommend things without experience. Some point it out or accept it implicitly ("well, that Marantz amp is well reviewed in the mag, and it's in your price range"), but many don't. Maybe people should always take care to say whether they have heard/seen something.

 

[SteveR750]

On an off topic (but slightly related) note, for those of you who follow electric vehicles, it is interesting to see the similarity between the conservative car buyers posting on US car magazine sites who still can't get their heads around a Tesla winning every accolade and award this year (and out dragging a BMW M5), and conservative hifi buyers when faced with a similar paradigm shift in their world.

I still have hifi mags from the 80s with (completely wrong) staircase diagrams of how digital sampling was going to work, and letter after letter saying that 'you wont find me buying one of those new fangled CDs...'

Ever tried filling up a Tesla at Tesco? Surely that's the real point, nowt to do with a Luddite attitude (though there wil be plenty of that aswell)

 

[Andrew Everard]

Ever tried filling up a Tesla at Tesco?

 

[The_Lhc]

(aside from everyone driving 300 yards+ with a 120mph swing speed etc etc)

Oh. Did I mention the 365 yd par 4 I went off the back of the green with my drive a couple of weeks ago (True story. Still ended up taking 5 though...)?

 

[SteveR750]

Always one smart***e!

Remember I live i Wales, we've never seen a "proper" electric car 🙂 but how long would it take to fill up your Leaf? and what heppens when you want to go on holiday to somewhere more remote than the home counties? Range fear is the key issue, not necessarily an ignorance of new technology.

 

[floyd droid]

Oh. Did I mention the 365 yd par 4 I went off the back of the green with my drive a couple of weeks ago (True story. Still ended up taking 5 though...)?

As the old saying goes ' Drive for show....' 😉

 

[The_Lhc]

Oh. Did I mention the 365 yd par 4 I went off the back of the green with my drive a couple of weeks ago (True story. Still ended up taking 5 though...)?

As the old saying goes ' Drive for show....' 😉

"... and then brag about it for-EVER!"

 

[The_Lhc]

and what heppens when you want to go on holiday to somewhere more remote than the home counties?

You'd take the other car. The Leaf doesn't have the luggage capacity for a family holiday.

Range fear is the key issue, not necessarily an ignorance of new technology.

The target audience is the one for whom the average journey is around ten miles, which is most people, apparently (it certainly isn't me though...).

 

[Andrew Everard]

but how long would it take to fill up your Leaf?

About four hours from empty, but you can always trickle-charge when and where you can.

and what heppens when you want to go on holiday to somewhere more remote than the home counties?

Given that you'll fall off the edge of the known world if you go beyond Berkshire, that would be the least of most owners' worries

Range fear is the key issue, not necessarily an ignorance of new technology.

Indeed, and when I visited the Nissan technology centre in Japan a few years back, they were already talking about hydrogen fuel-cells as the way forward, provided the infrastructure was put in place, and I got the impression electric technology was being considered more as an urban solution than a long-range one, where vehicles can be recharged more frequently or, as in a taxi system trialled in Tokyo, simply drive in for an ultra-fast battery-swap.

 

[Phileas]

I'd say potentially interesting times for the hi-fi forum, if there could be less shilling

I'm not having a go at you but I think you should be circumspect when making such general accusations.

(Sorry for bringing the thread back OT)

 

[Alec]

Everyone should always be very careful of making such accusations.

 

[steve_1979]

For the record, Steve, my previous comments wasn't aimed at you. I agree about 'them and us' schoolboy oneupmanship. We all preach from the same book, perhaps on different pages, but that's acceptable. The tone of some leaves a lot to be desired and totally uncalled for.

Maybe that's how forums are, don't really know...

No worries. 🙂

I clicked on the wrong post anyway. I ment to reply to JD's comment but quoted from yours by mistake. :doh:

Anyway, back to the electric cars...

 

[SteveR750]

Unless the battery manufactuers can make some technical step change then interchangeable battery packs are the only viable solution for mass transport. Nissan must have some faith in the likelihood of customer interest driving the demand for the infrastructure investment to have invested in the new battery cell assembly plant in the UK.

Anyway, back to stamping out these ruthless technocrats marching across the web armed with their active speakers and wild beliefs.

 

[Electro]

but how long would it take to fill up your Leaf?

About four hours from empty, but you can always trickle-charge when and where you can.

and what heppens when you want to go on holiday to somewhere more remote than the home counties?

Given that you'll fall off the edge of the known world if you go beyond Berkshire, that would be the least of most owners' worries

Range fear is the key issue, not necessarily an ignorance of new technology.

Indeed, and when I visited the Nissan technology centre in Japan a few years back, they were already talking about hydrogen fuel-cells as the way forward, provided the infrastructure was put in place, and I got the impression electric technology was being considered more as an urban solution than a long-range one, where vehicles can be recharged more frequently or, as in a taxi system trialled in Tokyo, simply drive in for an ultra-fast battery-swap.

Hydrogen powered vehicles are already available and are the future of road transport and just about everything else imo .

It is possible to power your house with this vehicle when you are not using it , so the car powers your house rather than your house charging the car 🙂

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-57406767-48/hondas-fcx-clarity-can-power-a-home-for-6-days/

 

[John Duncan]

I nominate this thread for the furthest veer off topic ever.

 

[The_Lhc]

but how long would it take to fill up your Leaf?

About four hours from empty, but you can always trickle-charge when and where you can.

I understood 30 minutes on a fast charger would give you 80 miles? I might have mis-read but I think that's what Kryten said...

 

[The_Lhc]

Hydrogen powered vehicles are already available and are the future of road transport and just about everything else imo .

See, told you nobody listens...

 

[steve_1979]

I nominate this thread for the furthest veer off topic ever.

It's much more interesting now though.

 

[steve_1979]

but how long would it take to fill up your Leaf?

About four hours from empty, but you can always trickle-charge when and where you can.

I understood 30 minutes on a fast charger would give you 80 miles? I might have mis-read but I think that's what Kryten said...

The Battery University website says that lithium-ion batteries don't like being charged quickly.

 

[John Duncan]

I nominate this thread for the furthest veer off topic ever.

It's much more interesting now though.

Finally, we agree 🙂

 

[steve_1979]

I nominate this thread for the furthest veer off topic ever.

It's much more interesting now though.

Finally, we agree 🙂

:dance:

 

[floyd droid]

The Battery University website says that lithium-ion batteries don't like being charged quickly.

Ye gods I bet you are a bundle of fun down the pub

 

[fr0g]

Back on topic.

I think the original post was made by someone in a bad mood. Shame.

Anyone who "agrees" with it obviously really loves active speakers. Ahem.

Johns post was probably the sanest.

Either way Mr Lemon, you will be heartened (maybe) that panel speakers are now on my list of "must audition" for my (hopefull) autumn upgrade.

I was thinking MG 1.7 with a suitable amp.

So I thank you for that. But please stop being such a grumpy grotbag.

And please. Everyone. There are NO Avi shills here. I have ADM9Ts for my PC. I love them. They are excellent speakers, probably the best I could do for under £2000, more if I was to include amp/passive combinations. But if anyone for one moment thought I was a "shill", I would honestly think they were writing from a white padded room with a pen in their teeth tapping out letters on a rubber keyboard.

The single reason so many suggest Avi when it comes to actives is that for a long time they have had the only reasonably affordable living-room friendly boxes and have sold loads.

That's changing thankfully, but their business model keeps the value down, so the likes of the Xeos can't really compete on a level playing field.., much like BK subs, which imo are also incredible VFM,

 

[oldric_naubhoff]

Unless the battery manufactuers can make some technical step change then interchangeable battery packs are the only viable solution for mass transport.

not necessarily:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/alternative_energy/2013/03/graphene_supercapacitors_small_cheap_energy_dense_replacements_for_batteries.html

if you're inpatient you can skip to paragraph 8.

 

[steve_1979]

The Battery University website says that lithium-ion batteries don't like being charged quickly.

Ye gods I bet you are a bundle of fun down the pub

:cheers:

Oh you should have been there the time when I subjected my friends to a load of MP3 vs FLAC ABX tests. That was a real barrel of laughs that was. :shifty: