lindsayt said:
I can answer none or no to most of these but I do not think that makes my opinion invalid or in anyway stops me helping my customers. I do not answer posts relating to your questions as I have insufficient knowledge but as has already been mentioned these questions are rare on this forum or others that I participate in.
Where I answer it is normally through direct experience with a view to help - and there are plenty of new users who appear to need some assistance. I have little experience in your chosen area but having supplied and installed millions of pounds of equipment, year on year has its benefits. Certianly I believe my expericence is more than enough for me to have a handle on the part of the industry I work in and crucially for me offer a high level of service to my customers.
Personally I welcome the contribution. Whilst most of us are probably a bit over enthusiastic about recommending our own stuff. And will prob have quite a limited experience of what's out there. I find the dealer contributions seem very unbiased and helpful. They have much broader experience and never have I thought they've been anything other than genuinely helpful. I'm sue if there was anything to worry about WHF would step in.
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Whereas I tend to think of it as an Oor Wullie/Broons thing. But then I have to since my brother wrote them.
I remember going out with somebody a long time ago who wondered what a boab (pronounced bow-ahb, as in "help ma boab!") was...
I remember going out with somebody a long time ago who wondered what a boab (pronounced bow-ahb, as in "help ma boab!") was...
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For a complete AV novice like myself I welcome different retailers comments/advice/opinions. Nobody is holding a gun to my head saying "You must buy from my shop or else". I'm not naive enough to think because a certain retailer suggests a certain system or pairing then that must be the perfect setup for my house and more importantly my ears and taste. You can't buy experience, and for this reason it pays to learn from people who know more about the subject than I do whether it be WHF staff, retailers or some of the people on here who kindly give people like myself good advice without any sort of hidden agenda. Long may it continue.
P.S. My wife would say that all I get when I come on here is bad advice because it keeps costing us a fortune!!! 🙂 😛ray:
P.S. My wife would say that all I get when I come on here is bad advice because it keeps costing us a fortune!!! 🙂 😛ray:
Tartan Man said:
Good hi-fi doesn't have to cost a fortune, below £2k (complete) should get you to an extremely high standard more or less 100% dependent upon the recording quality.
And yes - some dealers can help you get there 😉
y'know i just wonder if some people are 'anti dealer' full stop.I think you can safely say that when someone does A/V full time and is passionate about it enough to spend time answering all the (sometimes dumb) questions on here they should be given encouragement!
I used to sell A/V at retail years ago,and believe me putting up with people that say stupid things like "could you take the top off that amp for me,i think i'll build one myself" after you've spent an hour doing a demo is enough to warrant a medal IMO :wall:
I used to sell A/V at retail years ago,and believe me putting up with people that say stupid things like "could you take the top off that amp for me,i think i'll build one myself" after you've spent an hour doing a demo is enough to warrant a medal IMO :wall:
My 10p worth, for what it's worth...
There are good dealers, and not so good dealers. I've been to a few over the years and they range from the
1. Worst - "quite obvious which bit of kit they make the most commission on as they extole the virtues of it, almost exclusively and make slight digs at other products",
through 2. Slightly annoying - "gentle, friendly persuasion via almost subliminal cues",
to 3. Best - "only gives advice where asked for and NEVER tells you which components they prefer unless you force it out of them".
A good dealer will never tell you what to hear, or to spend 10% on cables, or reference magazine reviews.
Mentioning no names, I've bought a system from one in the first category... "Let me save you some money" - he said, "This amplifier is every bit as good as the one you've chosen, and £100 cheaper"... The fact that they had sole distribution rights to the particular brand wouldn't have anything to do with it would it? £££
Going to a dealer in the 2nd category is harder to spot... "Listen to the way the treble simply sparkles"... And suddenly, it does... It's an amazing thing the human brain, someone tells you to think about porridge...and you will. Anyone remember the song by Captain sensible...a cover version I know, but the one that went "Happy happy talking happy talk...talk about things you like to do...If you don't have a dream....etc"... Now some of you reading will have that in your head for the rest of the day! 🙂
The 3rd category dealer is harder to find, but luckily I got it with my last bunch of purchases... I called the shots, got to borrow demo equipment and take it home, and let me simply get on with it. Advice was given when I asked, but he almost refused to say which he preferred...That, I like. He even said to listen to the kit, not the reviews, which I think all too many people seem to do.
Some dealer advice on this site is useful, but where they start to a) Compare kit they have never tried, maybe claiming x is better than y because x is more expensive (even having never heard y), then I know not to take anything they say seriously.
Good dealer advice will be open and fair, truthful and based only on fact, not assumptions...
Again, mentioning no names, I have seen good and bad dealer advice on these forums...
There are good dealers, and not so good dealers. I've been to a few over the years and they range from the
1. Worst - "quite obvious which bit of kit they make the most commission on as they extole the virtues of it, almost exclusively and make slight digs at other products",
through 2. Slightly annoying - "gentle, friendly persuasion via almost subliminal cues",
to 3. Best - "only gives advice where asked for and NEVER tells you which components they prefer unless you force it out of them".
A good dealer will never tell you what to hear, or to spend 10% on cables, or reference magazine reviews.
Mentioning no names, I've bought a system from one in the first category... "Let me save you some money" - he said, "This amplifier is every bit as good as the one you've chosen, and £100 cheaper"... The fact that they had sole distribution rights to the particular brand wouldn't have anything to do with it would it? £££
Going to a dealer in the 2nd category is harder to spot... "Listen to the way the treble simply sparkles"... And suddenly, it does... It's an amazing thing the human brain, someone tells you to think about porridge...and you will. Anyone remember the song by Captain sensible...a cover version I know, but the one that went "Happy happy talking happy talk...talk about things you like to do...If you don't have a dream....etc"... Now some of you reading will have that in your head for the rest of the day! 🙂
The 3rd category dealer is harder to find, but luckily I got it with my last bunch of purchases... I called the shots, got to borrow demo equipment and take it home, and let me simply get on with it. Advice was given when I asked, but he almost refused to say which he preferred...That, I like. He even said to listen to the kit, not the reviews, which I think all too many people seem to do.
Some dealer advice on this site is useful, but where they start to a) Compare kit they have never tried, maybe claiming x is better than y because x is more expensive (even having never heard y), then I know not to take anything they say seriously.
Good dealer advice will be open and fair, truthful and based only on fact, not assumptions...
Again, mentioning no names, I have seen good and bad dealer advice on these forums...
CnoEvil said:
It would appear some of the "pupils" have a broader range of knowledge on the subject than the "teachers". Whilst the "teachers" have more in depth knowledge of their specialist topics within the subject.
To continue your analogy: what if you've got a geography teacher who has rarely travelled abroad, but who has travelled in the UK extensively with a pupil who has lived in 15 different countries including the UK? They will each have a different perspective on the world.
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