Friesiansam
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The Tories are trying to abdicate their responsibility, so they can blame the public when it all goes badly wrong, as I think it surely will.
jjbomber
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As they should! As should Labour in Wales and the SNP in Scotland. Go to any airport to see thousands of stupid people.
GSV Ethics Gradient
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By that logic, the government should have let the pandemic run an unhindered course, should let people drink & drive, not mandate seatbelts etc.
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ThisIsJimmy
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Sigh....it feels like this is a never ending circle right now, and the government hasn't still learned from the previous 3 lockdowns. If you allow people to travel abroad or mingle until the vast majority of the planet get's vacinated, it allows the virus the ability to mutate constantly in the populations of multiple nations, and the developed vaccines which scientists put so much work into made redundant. The obvious answer to this is:
1. Bar international travel. Full Stop. For 12 - 24 months
2. Assist airline industry that will inevitably be impacted by this (still better than bailing out the UK economy for 6 months at a time.
3. Once rates go down, open up, but only domestically and let life get back to normal until the world sorts itself out.
4. Co-ordinated global re-opening
This though will probably be waaaaayyyy to much to hope for
Unfortunately the UK through the previous 3 lockdown bailouts has put us on a pretty precarious position with regards to how much we can borrow in relation to our GDP (they blew it in the previous lockdowns), so BoJo appears to be going for herd immunity now....
God help us all. Stay safe everyone.
1. Bar international travel. Full Stop. For 12 - 24 months
2. Assist airline industry that will inevitably be impacted by this (still better than bailing out the UK economy for 6 months at a time.
3. Once rates go down, open up, but only domestically and let life get back to normal until the world sorts itself out.
4. Co-ordinated global re-opening
This though will probably be waaaaayyyy to much to hope for
Unfortunately the UK through the previous 3 lockdown bailouts has put us on a pretty precarious position with regards to how much we can borrow in relation to our GDP (they blew it in the previous lockdowns), so BoJo appears to be going for herd immunity now....
God help us all. Stay safe everyone.
jjbomber
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A politicians job is to get elected. That overrides everything. The government have learned that people must go on holiday or they will get voted out.
So everyone knows another lockdown is coming in September. People would rather miss work than miss their holidays. The politicians have appeased the voters. They have learned from the previous lockdowns.
GSV Ethics Gradient
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I fear we're straying into politics, but if that's all you expect you don't really have the right to complain about anything a government does - if you legitimise populism over principle. I may frequently be disappointed, but expect rather more than you do!
Friesiansam
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A politician's desire is to get elected, their job is to serve their electorate. It is on the latter, that the present
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Gray
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People know the Government is damned whatever it does.
Labour are thanking the Lord that they're not the ones responsible for making the decisions (along with many of the electorate).
Labour are thanking the Lord that they're not the ones responsible for making the decisions (along with many of the electorate).
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GSV Ethics Gradient
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Talked to a friend who manages a ward at a local hospital last night. She confirmed that the admissions are a lot less serious than used to be the case, and that the overwhelming majority are the Great Unvaccinated. I won't go so far as to say what I really feel!
jjbomber
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Numbers here are getting scary. Main hospital is full, second hospital has converted the maternity unit to a COVID ward. Opening everything up for the summer holidays. What could possibly go wrong!!!
bigboss
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GSV Ethics Gradient
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Hard not to see an irony in the fact that the testing kits we've just used (after exposure to a niece who has a close friend who's tested positive) were manufactured in China. Negative, mercifully...
bigboss
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I went to watch cricket at Headingley couple of weeks ago, and I wore a mask throughout, except when eating or drinking.
Friesiansam
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My wife and I still use masks and, will continue to do so. Where we are in Somerset, west of Taunton, most people seem to be doing the same.
Gray
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DCarmi
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As I understand it you get it 6 months after the second jab which in my case will be January.
One wonders if this is how the future will be, given that the UK COVID rate seems to be just bobbling around the 1 in 70 mark, even if fewer people are dying (and mostly it's those who weren't jabbed).
michael hoy
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It will be hard for GP's to give both jabs at the same time. Most only allocate a 2min slot for giving the Flu jab.
And with COVID jab you have to have a 15 min wait after the jab.
DCarmi
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There has been a clinical trial where flu and COVID jabs were done at the same time. If successful then you could have a "conveyor belt" process much like the mass vaccination centres, one jab in each arm. There's plenty of unused space in towns you could set up a centre in and pharmacies can do the flu jab so perhaps the COVID one as well.
I guess it depends on how frequently we need the COVID jab, going forward.
I guess it depends on how frequently we need the COVID jab, going forward.
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