CD Transport - budget in the order of £1500

[BigH]

But would the Heed go with your DAC, you may need to buy the Heed DAC as well?

That remains to be seen as do any of the combinations. If it doesn't play well with it it won't be purchased.

So you are trying to match the cd transport with your DAC?

 

[The_Lhc]

But would the Heed go with your DAC, you may need to buy the Heed DAC as well?

That remains to be seen as do any of the combinations. If it doesn't play well with it it won't be purchased.

So you are trying to match the cd transport with your DAC?

No, he's spending 1500 quid so he can match it with his underpants! Stupid question...

 

[Native_bon]

There is of course, the rationale that not everyone wants a cheap source player. If you're not bothered with it, then no issues, but some consumers will want something different. It's important to be able to recognise that and not keep pitching the "you don't need a fancy CD player, you can get a cheap DVD player from Sainsbury's!*" line.

* - other supermarkets are available.

Get the oppo blueray player 105EU around 900 pounds.. I just got one. In a word stunning!! For some reason it sounds better though my M-dac than my rega dac.

Thank you for your constructive comments. You are right, I do not want a DVD player or one of those blue things. I want a top quality CD transport for playing CDs. Suggesting I replace the CD 8 SE with a £100 multiplayer is quite simply ridiculous and I doubt it's Hi Fi either.

 

[BigH]

But would the Heed go with your DAC, you may need to buy the Heed DAC as well?

That remains to be seen as do any of the combinations. If it doesn't play well with it it won't be purchased.

So you are trying to match the cd transport with your DAC?

No, he's spending 1500 quid so he can match it with his underpants! Stupid question...

Maybe stupid to you but to me it makes more sense to match both together, the Heed transport and DAC maybe a much better than anything and an Arcam rDAC .

 

[Anonymous]

First off, Lhc, get your own post if you want to answer for the OP.

Second, stop being a tw*t and offending as many people as possible (not just this posting either) - its not nice and tedious for everyone to read through your endless bickering.

Thirdly, and back to the OP...

the reason i ask why you want a CDT, is because if you want the best sound from CD's you can find that a CD player with its own DAC such as the Plinius will sound better than almost any CDT and DAC solution under £5k including the top flight Cyrus solution IMO. David's solution of CDT plus Power supply is sound, I just think you can get better sound from a complete CD player IMO if you buy second hand.

You can pick up the Blu on fleebay right now as its up for sale I think under £2k possibly subject to an offer price too, but no point getting this unless your matching the DAC as it wastes its potential.

I am yet to hear any streaming solution beats the best CD solutions without going very high in resolution, and think a CDT is a good idea for sound quality, i just think second hand CD players are best value given they are out of fashion, and The Plinius CD101 often goes second hand around £1,500. The Plinius used as a CDT is great into a QBD76, just pipped for naturalness in vocals and guitars using the PLinius DAC inside the CD player, but fast music plays best through the QBD dac.

 

[Anonymous]

First off, Lhc, get your own post if you want to answer for the OP.

Second, stop behaving like a tw*t and offending as many people as possible (not just this posting either) - its not nice and tedious for everyone to read through your endless bickering. Just chill out.

Thirdly, and back to the OP...

the reason i ask why you want a CDT, is because if you want the best sound from CD's you can find that a CD player with its own DAC such as the Plinius will sound better than almost any CDT and DAC solution under £5k including the top flight Cyrus solution IMO. David's solution of CDT plus Power supply is sound, I just think you can get better sound from a complete CD player IMO if you buy second hand.

You can pick up the Blu on fleebay right now as its up for sale I think under £2k possibly subject to an offer price too, but no point getting this unless your matching the DAC as it wastes its potential.

I am yet to hear any streaming solution beats the best CD solutions without going very high in resolution, and think a CDT is a good idea for sound quality, i just think second hand CD players are best value given they are out of fashion, and The Plinius CD101 often goes second hand around £1,500. The Plinius used as a CDT is great into a QBD76, just pipped for naturalness in vocals and guitars using the PLinius DAC inside the CD player, but fast music plays best through the QBD dac.

 

[Anonymous]

Can WHF delete the post where I'm assuming Lhc is a tw*t as I don't know he is one, but he is behaving like one.

 

[richardw42]

I always thought the Musical Fidelity M1 CDT & M1 DAC, looked good.

Prob would have got one, but my CD listening is well under 1%.

 

[BigColz]

First off, Lhc, get your own post if you want to answer for the OP.

Second, stop being a tw*t and offending as many people as possible (not just this posting either) - its not nice and tedious for everyone to read through your endless bickering.

Thirdly, and back to the OP...

the reason i ask why you want a CDT, is because if you want the best sound from CD's you can find that a CD player with its own DAC such as the Plinius will sound better than almost any CDT and DAC solution under £5k including the top flight Cyrus solution IMO. David's solution of CDT plus Power supply is sound, I just think you can get better sound from a complete CD player IMO if you buy second hand.

You can pick up the Blu on fleebay right now as its up for sale I think under £2k possibly subject to an offer price too, but no point getting this unless your matching the DAC as it wastes its potential.

I am yet to hear any streaming solution beats the best CD solutions without going very high in resolution, and think a CDT is a good idea for sound quality, i just think second hand CD players are best value given they are out of fashion, and The Plinius CD101 often goes second hand around £1,500. The Plinius used as a CDT is great into a QBD76, just pipped for naturalness in vocals and guitars using the PLinius DAC inside the CD player, but fast music plays best through the QBD dac.

I agree that all in one CD players can be better Transport -> DAC.. I don't know what streaming solutions you've heard but assuming you haven't heard Naim or Linn? I wasn't a believer until I heard one (i'd previously been running mac through Pre Xpd QX), they sound better than some CD players 2/3 times the price.. Plus they (most) have digital inputs so can be used as a DAC as well and could add CD-T as well.. Sorry this is off topic but I couldn't recommend enough trying a streamer

 

[ifor]

Maybe stupid to you but to me it makes more sense to match both together, the Heed transport and DAC maybe a much better than anything and an Arcam rDAC .

You are not very consistent in your arguements. A couple of pages back you were telling me all CDT were the same right down to £100 models and now you suggest I would need to match CDT to DAC.

 

[Craig M.]

Can WHF delete the post where I'm assuming Lhc is a tw*t as I don't know he is one, but he is behaving like one.

You could've edited your own post. Not much point though, now I've quoted this one.

 

[The_Lhc]

Can WHF delete the post where I'm assuming Lhc is a tw*t as I don't know he is one, but he is behaving like one.

Don't worry about it, it's the same difference.

 

[The_Lhc]

But would the Heed go with your DAC, you may need to buy the Heed DAC as well?

That remains to be seen as do any of the combinations. If it doesn't play well with it it won't be purchased.

So you are trying to match the cd transport with your DAC?

No, he's spending 1500 quid so he can match it with his underpants! Stupid question...

Maybe stupid to you but to me it makes more sense to match both together,

Yes, that wasn't what I was saying, I was saying it was a stupid question because it's obvious that he's trying to match the CD transport and DAC, so the question doesn't need asking.

 

[BigH]

Maybe stupid to you but to me it makes more sense to match both together, the Heed transport and DAC maybe a much better than anything and an Arcam rDAC .

You are not very consistent in your arguements. A couple of pages back you were telling me all CDT were the same right down to £100 models and now you suggest I would need to match CDT to DAC.

I still hold my view tha the dvd would be the way to go but you insist on spending £s on cd transport and DAC then you may as well get the best, I don't see the point of matching a cd to a dac and then changing the dac later why not get the best combination.

 

[BigH]

But would the Heed go with your DAC, you may need to buy the Heed DAC as well?

That remains to be seen as do any of the combinations. If it doesn't play well with it it won't be purchased.

So you are trying to match the cd transport with your DAC?

No, he's spending 1500 quid so he can match it with his underpants! Stupid question...

Maybe stupid to you but to me it makes more sense to match both together,

Yes, that wasn't what I was saying, I was saying it was a stupid question because it's obvious that he's trying to match the CD transport and DAC, so the question doesn't need asking.

Well I was saying that in my question I don't think it is the best way to do it, best to combine the 2, do you think buying a £1,500 cd transport to match a £300 dac is the best way to choose a cd transport.

 

[Anonymous]

Can WHF delete the post where I'm assuming Lhc is a tw*t as I don't know he is one, but he is behaving like one.

You could've edited your own post. Not much point though, now I've quoted this one.

I tried, hence it duplicated which has never happened before - editing on forums is not reliable

 

[The_Lhc]

Well I was saying that in my question I don't think it is the best way to do it, best to combine the 2, do you think buying a £1,500 cd transport to match a £300 dac is the best way to choose a cd transport.

From the OPs second post on this thread:

"Yes, I have a DAC already, but the "plan" is that it will be upgraded in due course."

 

[Anonymous]

I agree that all in one CD players can be better Transport -> DAC.. I don't know what streaming solutions you've heard but assuming you haven't heard Naim or Linn? I wasn't a believer until I heard one (i'd previously been running mac through Pre Xpd QX), they sound better than some CD players 2/3 times the price.. Plus they (most) have digital inputs so can be used as a DAC as well and could add CD-T as well.. Sorry this is off topic but I couldn't recommend enough trying a streamer

I heard Linn full rig - thouroughly didnt like the sound - personal prefference, and price wise is another league (I demod the Klimax top end set up).

I really like Naim stuff though, but it didn't better the Plinius CD player. I have another thread that talks about streaming (sonos) and that I may move to Naim for streaming quality - but to be clear, I know its not better than my CD player, i just love the control.

 

[BigH]

Well I was saying that in my question I don't think it is the best way to do it, best to combine the 2, do you think buying a £1,500 cd transport to match a £300 dac is the best way to choose a cd transport.

From the OPs second post on this thread:

"Yes, I have a DAC already, but the "plan" is that it will be upgraded in due course."

Even more reason to match them together.

 

[ifor]

Well I was saying that in my question I don't think it is the best way to do it, best to combine the 2, do you think buying a £1,500 cd transport to match a £300 dac is the best way to choose a cd transport.

From the OPs second post on this thread:

"Yes, I have a DAC already, but the "plan" is that it will be upgraded in due course."

Correct. As has been explained the new DAC is to come before a new CDT so the CDT would not be played through the Arcam rDAC.

 

[BigColz]

I agree that all in one CD players can be better Transport -> DAC.. I don't know what streaming solutions you've heard but assuming you haven't heard Naim or Linn? I wasn't a believer until I heard one (i'd previously been running mac through Pre Xpd QX), they sound better than some CD players 2/3 times the price.. Plus they (most) have digital inputs so can be used as a DAC as well and could add CD-T as well.. Sorry this is off topic but I couldn't recommend enough trying a streamer

I heard Linn full rig - thouroughly didnt like the sound - personal prefference, and price wise is another league (I demod the Klimax top end set up).

I really like Naim stuff though, but it didn't better the Plinius CD player. I have another thread that talks about streaming (sonos) and that I may move to Naim for streaming quality - but to be clear, I know its not better than my CD player, i just love the control.

Yeah you have to be carefull because you heard it in a Linn system it would have been affected by the amps etc.. You need to hear them in your system (or one you like the sound of). I don't like Naim sound at all and only tried it out of interest but it really is amazing, unbelievably natural and analogue sounding.. Yes i'm sure your CD player is fantastic at a similar price point Electro EC 1UP is meant to be incredible.. I think mine for £1900 is extremely good VFM. Give the NDX and ND5 a home dem in your system if your thinkin of moving from sonos.. :cheers:

 

[ifor]

Sorry this is off topic but I couldn't recommend enough trying a streamer.

No need to apologise. I admit I've not yet heard a Hi Fi streamer, but currently I can't get my head round why pulling the data from a hard disc should be any better than pushing it.

 

[CnoEvil]

Sorry this is off topic but I couldn't recommend enough trying a streamer.

No need to apologise. I admit I've not yet heard a Hi Fi streamer, but currently I can't get my head round why pulling the data from a hard disc should be any better than pushing it.

I was also going to tip-toe in with the streamer suggestion, as it does away with all "what transport" dilemmas (which imo do make a difference); as well as all the inherent problems associated with a mechanical spinning disc.

I am quite convinced that a (well conceived) streamer, comfortably outperforms the equivalent CDP. I think the CDP (not necessarily CD) is on the decline, and so it may not be wise to invest a substantial sum in it.

 

[char_lotte]

Now that is a good point...

 

[fr0g]

Sorry this is off topic but I couldn't recommend enough trying a streamer.

No need to apologise. I admit I've not yet heard a Hi Fi streamer, but currently I can't get my head round why pulling the data from a hard disc should be any better than pushing it.

Because playing a CD involves a fast spinning non-sealed disk. If the disk and player are 100% clean then the effect will be the same. But the dirtier they get, the more error correction occurs, until you start getting drop-outs.

Or conversely, you use something like EAC (Exact audio copy) or dbPoweramp to create a bit-perfect copy of the CD. They include all the error checking and will check resultant rips against a database to make sure they are perfect.

Then you play from an air-tight, sealed hard disk, or better still a SSD which has no moving parts at all. So now everytime you playback the album, song, whatever, you get a bit-perfect rendition. Make a backup of your rips and you have a perfect, indestrucable (save a comet hitting the earth), identical copy of all your music.

And when you buy a streamer, make sure it can playback "gapless". Some of the silly priced ones can't. And it's been proven that the likes of Squeezebox, Sonos etc are bit-perfect. So feed to a modern DAC and you have as good a sound as the most esoteric transport you can imagine.