Cambridge Audio Question....Richer Sounds?

mushroomgod

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Hi, Iv been out of the loop for a while, and Im slowly working my way back in..Iv been reading reviews of amps, cd players and speakers all week and I noticed two things....

1 Cambridge Audio only seems to be for sale at Richer sounds....when did this happen?, I seem to remember seeing CA gear in Sevenoaks and other places a few years back but not anymore?

2 Is Cambridge Audio gear really as good as the WHF review make out, they seem to gives everything CA 5 stars?

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matthewpiano

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1. In the UK, Richer Sounds is sole distributor for Cambridge Audio and, as a result, we enjoy better prices than the rest of the world.

2. CA gear is as good as anything else out there, and tends to be better value for money at its price point than most because of that advantageous tie-up with Richer Sounds.
 

John Duncan

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Long time ago - certainly since the 'A' series, so I'm thinking maybe even 6 years?

And yes - Cambridge Audio gear is great value for money. I was never that keen on the Azur amps, but loved the 640c v2 I had. That's not to say that there aren't other stuff out there that you may think is just as good, if not better, for the price.
 
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Hmm - same owner, offices in same building, one company has exclusive rights to distribute products from the other ... yes, I believe they're totally independent entities, just like Audi and Volkswagen...
 

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Tarquinh:Hmm - same owner, offices in same building, one company has exclusive rights to distribute products from the other ... yes, I believe they're totally independent entities, just like Audi and Volkswagen...

So? You should see when Stuff and Gramophone are in the same pub. "Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" doesn't cover it.
 
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I auditioned the Marantz PM6002, NAD C325BEE and CA Azur 540 v2 at the weekend, and the CA won hands down for me - great sound, great price ... I love it
 

matthewpiano

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drhoss:I auditioned the Marantz PM6002, NAD C325BEE and CA Azur 540 v2 at the weekend, and the CA won hands down for me - great sound, great price ... I love it

Just out of interest, what speakers and source did you use? What was it you preferred about it?
 
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matthewpiano:JohnDuncan:matthewpiano:Does it really matter who owns who?

No. But saying they do when they don't, and insinuating that's a bad thing, does.

Agreed JD.

Me too.
 
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Ive read threads about Richer Sounds and Cambridge Audio many times before.

It is blatantly obvious that the Richer Sounds staff do their best to sell Cambridge Audio products above others. To say they dont is ridiculous. Why people try to deny this is beyond me. If you like the CA gear,buy it. If not ,dont. Their salesmen arent Derren Brown trained.

Another thing. Cambridge Audio and Richer Sounds are two different companies. Richer Sounds has exclusive rights to distribute CA products in the UK.

Cambridge Audio is however an Audio Partnership brand as is Mordant Short, Gale and Opus Technologies.

Guess who owns 51% of Audio Partnership?

Julian Richer. Id imagine he has some say over how Cambridge Audio products is sold in his stores!

So please no more Julian Richer has nothing to do with Cambridge Audio please.

Now for another cable argument!!
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Sorry but my own experience of Richer Sounds has been that they offer very balanced advice. I've never found them overly pushy about CA or Mordaunt-Short, particularly in the last couple of years, and I've heard staff talk very positively about other brands in store. Even so, you have to accept that sales staff in any organisation are there to earn a living and put together deals which combine satisfaction for the customer with profitability for the company.

Anyway, regardless of all this who owns who rubbish, the fact is that the CA gear is one of many options available to buyers. It suits many people and provides performance well beyond its price point, but there are other brands such as Rotel, NAD, Marantz, and Pioneer who also produce excellent equipment. Its the buyer's responsibility to research their options and make the best choice for them.
 

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mushroomgod:
Is Cambridge Audio gear really as good as the WHF review make out, they seem to gives everything CA 5 stars?

Reaaly? Maybe you'd care to take a look at all our Cambridge Audio reviews in one place, from two-star reviews upwards - same treatment as any other manufacturer.

However, the company has also made some cracking kit, which has a lot to do with excellent engineering and superb value for money - which is why when it gets the price/performance ratio right, it gains great reviews from both ourselves and others.
 
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Matthewpiano I completely agree with you and people will always have different experiences of sales people when purchasing goods from any store.

What does get annoying is when a thread starts off with, 'He has nothing to do with them', then ends up,' what does it matter if he does'.

Usually followed by some sarcasm from some members who then back track claiming they didnt mean to be sarcastic at all!
 
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When I was shopping around for an amp my local Richer Sounds guys (London Bridge branch) recommended that I get NAD 325BEE (even though they didn't have any in stock) versus CA that they had in stock. I bought a DacMagic there later on but never felt like they tried to push me towards CA or other Audio Partnership products. This is one experience but enough to prove that not all RS stores do what is claimed here.
 

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Hmmm my experience of richer sounds is that they didnt offer any real advice at all, certainly nothing of any insight anyway; it seems to me to be simply a pile it high sell it cheap place.
 

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funnyenough, i mentioned my expereince of Richer in my Sonos thread a couple of days ago.

As i was getting 4 items and they were busy. I was in there ages. I saw CA being actively pushed every time somone asked for something. To the extent that the CA stuff is all turned on and wired up for a listen and other stuff isnt. You come in asking for the arcam solo mini. its turned off, on the top shelf in a corner, and you get steered towards a CA mini onebox. that has a card saying try the ipod challenge. then the staff 'without offering to demo the arcam'. push the CA as being far superior sonically. You come in asking for a NAD amp, and they start talking about how exited they are about the the new CA amp thats just arrived.

This behaviour I saw with my own two eyes while I waited around.

Now, it doesnt bother me. If your too wooly to do your own research and are happy to listen to a complete stranger and let them steer u into a completely different direction then that up to you.

But I do think its relevant that people know about the link and that the staff are often heavily biased.IMO in most industries the sales staff push what they get most commission from.
 

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RS store managers are personally responsible for balancing profit and loss in their own stores, and have comparatively high levels of responsibility vested in them compared to managers in most other chains, so I think the differences in approach across the stores is probably down to the ethos of the manager.

Ultimately every store and/or sales person will have their favourite products and, yes, staff are going to be driven partially by commission levels and what is best for their company. However, this is often balanced by the fact that customer satisfaction is also very important - if the customer is disatisfied and returns the product that commission is lost and the company has lost a sale that it could have gained by recommending a different product.
 

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Tarquinh:Also, both companies owned by same person.

Troublemaking again, Tarquinh?

As mentioned above, the relationship between the two has been clarified on several occasions on these forums.
 

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Andrew Everard:

Tarquinh:Also, both companies owned by same person.

Troublemaking again, Tarquinh?

As mentioned above, the relationship between the two has been clarified on several occasions on these forums.

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method man

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its not really a conspiracy theory though is it.LOL.The facts are plain to see. theres no theory.

Ive now read the post by the CEO of cambridge Audio. It doesnt mentionwho owns what, but does allude to why CA were set up in the first place. which rather confrim my beliefs from 10 years ago or more.

If youve bought CA and like CA, then good for you. But the link and the bias is clearly there.

As for customer satisfaction I have £1600.00 worth of kit at the front door. all boxed up waiting for the retailer to open to take it all back. I was pushed the new CA azure amp, and not offered any alternatives, to go with the KEF speakers. As i pointed out to him. 'ok ill try it, but I know nothing about this amp it may well be coming straight back'. which it is.

I saw two ladies in their 20s'30s come in and ask about the arcam solo. the huy didnt even let them listen to it. instead done 10 minutes on a CA alternative. demo, the lot. confused them with patter. when they pointed at the powered down arcam and said that they had read about them, he just kept comparing it unfavourably with the CA unit. In the ned they walked with nothing. and he let them.

sometimes the customer knows what he wants. if the solo is so inferior, why not play it and let the customer hear. but there can always be the excuse. the speakers arent wired, the units not powered, and anyway its not as good as the CA one etc...
 

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method man:its not really a conspiracy theory though is it.LOL.

The facts are plain to see. theres no theory.

Indeed:

Cambridge Audio CEO:
Audio Partnership owns and controls the Cambridge Audio brand and
Richer Sounds is a completely separate business that has exclusive
distribution rights to sell Cambridge in the UK. Overseas we also have
50+ distributors who now make up the majority of our business so we
are far from being an "own brand" or "Richer brand" that some
occasionally call us. Maybe this could have been argued the case
10 years ago, but not now!

AP has complete freedom to manage its business and develop
products as it wishes, but of course we listen to our customers,
including Richer Sounds, to help us decide the best products to make
for their/our customers. Richer were keen on Dacmagic as they could see
the potential in this, and many other countries agreed too, but when it
came to our 840 range, this was developed specifically with major
overseas markets in mind where the potential and hunger for bigger
products is large.

Mordaunt-Short Ltd is a stand-alone business owned 50% by myself,
but also enjoying Audio Partnership resources and is again sold all
over the world and in Europe through Marantz who are our distribution
partner. We work well with Marantz and they in turn with their many UK
customers who include Richer Sounds.

Like pretty much every hi-fi/AV store in the UK Richer do
incentivise their colleagues, but I should stress that much more can be
earned on a sale by delivering great customer satisfaction, something
Richer measure very well and in fact very fanatically. They do
genuinely care about the customer at a high level in the business and
this filters down. Having seen how this works I genuinely believe this
does ensure that customers are not misled and sold the wrong product.
They really do work hard at this and jump on any occasional instances
that arise.

Also,... pretty much every hi-fi/AV store in the UK offers some kind
of commission to their sales team/s, those that maybe didn't have now
in the large part gone out of business because they couldn't survive
without doing this to motivate their people. And pretty much every
retailer and salesperson have their favourite products that they regularly
and enthusiastically recommended.

That said, whilst Cambridge and Mordaunt-Short do both regularly
come highly recommended at Richer they are far from the only brands
they recommend, testified by the vast quantities of Marantz, Onkyo,
NAD, Harman Kardon, Wharfedale, Tannoy, Kef etc., etc. that they sell.
They also make money from selling them too (and their buyers regularly
ask me why they can make as much from other brands - the answer is of
course in their low Cambridge retail prices).

Of course, like any brand, it's my job to motivate Richer Sounds
sales colleagues to promote my brand and we put a lot of effort into
this of course in the form of training etc., helped by the reviews and
awards we get in the magazines and online. Yes, Cambridge Audio
products are exclusive to Richer Sounds in the UK and both we and they
are proud of this. Richer are proud to recommend Cambridge because it's
genuinely good value product that delivers high levels of value to
their customers. We at Cambridge are proud to sell it through them as
we are able to train their people up on the merits of the product and
with their direct route to market they are also able to sell at highly
competitive prices. The result here is a genuine win-win for the
customer.

At the end of the day, people's music choice and the hi-fi
components they feel give them the most enjoyable experience from their
favourite music are a personal thing and that's why
listening/auditioning is so important. Reviews are one thing but your
own ears and tastes are another! Richer Sounds have over the last 2
years installed around 20 demo rooms to up their game on this and I
encourage you to use them!

James Johnson-Flint CEO, Audio Partnership Plc / Cambridge Audio Ltd / Mordaunt Short Ltd
 

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