Gazzip
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lindsayt said:
I just don't think live and recorded sounds "present" in the same way. I actually prefer recorded music if I am going to be completely honest. Does that make me a heretic?
Al ears
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Can I just say to the OP that I have had a couple of Black Rhodium interconnects in my system in the past, a good while ago though. I found them to be well constructed and the certainly lasted well. Cannot say they were anything special otherwise, they just did the job (neither brilliant nor poor, lets say a good average).
I would not know what there more modern cables are like compared to similarly priced competition though.
I would not know what there more modern cables are like compared to similarly priced competition though.
lindsayt said:
Steinway put on a show demoing the Model D speakers the over £100k ones where they had people playing their grand pianos and the speakers playing as well and no one in the audience could tell the difference so they say
But it's all in the same room.
Fair play if in the mastering then transfer to cd they are able to fully capture what they are recording - I am sure that is possible
To then play it back somewhere completely different and for it to sound exactly the same is a tall order
Gazzip
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ellisdj said:
I find individual instruments and vocals on their own to be portrayed "as if I was there" on my system. However it is when an ensemble of music plays that I think the illusion falls apart a bit. Sonus Faber use solo violins playing to demonstrate their speaker's capabilities. I just think solos are a bit too easy to make sound really great through two channel for that to be a definitive demo of a loudspeaker's capability.
"Exactly the same" is really tricky.
"Comparable", is not so difficult to acheive with the right recordings and the right system.
"Comparable", is not so difficult to acheive with the right recordings and the right system.
SteveR750
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I'll add the caveat that comparing a recorded acoustic passage to the original live, I've yet to hear a stereo system that captures the 3d sound cues that we experience at the live event. I'll agree that a studio engineered track probably sounds close, if only because there is so much processing of the signal during the recording and mixing process. I seem to recall Daniel Lanois explaining he rcorded Larry Mullen playing in the studio toilets in Joshua tree to get the right sound he was looking for. I've not been to many gigs where the backline was playing in the gents!
So, comparing a simple crossed pair recording to the real thing, and the real thing wins every time; if for the fact that you'd never use your hi fi system in the original venue, so the comparison isn't really relevant. I've genuinely not heard a system capable of replaying a drum kit properly, which is probably as much a room effect than a system limitation. I'd be pleasantly surprised if a recording of a drum kit made in my lounge sounded close on replay back through my system.
So, comparing a simple crossed pair recording to the real thing, and the real thing wins every time; if for the fact that you'd never use your hi fi system in the original venue, so the comparison isn't really relevant. I've genuinely not heard a system capable of replaying a drum kit properly, which is probably as much a room effect than a system limitation. I'd be pleasantly surprised if a recording of a drum kit made in my lounge sounded close on replay back through my system.
matt49
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SteveR750 said:
If you mean the experience of having your eardrums smashed, your chest pummelled and your gut turned to jelly, then the Devialet Phantoms get pretty close.
SteveR750
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I have some of their twist speaker cable. It not very expensive and sounds great. The whole twist thing is a bit silly but it does keep them tidy.
BigH
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Why do a lot of people think live music is so great, many concerts Ive been to the sound is not that good, its unbalanced, even with jazz the drums and bass can drown out the piano. Vocals are often shouted to be heard. Also at concerts it depends where you are sitting or standing. At least on most recordings its been mixed so you can hear the instruments.
Gazzip
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Native_bon
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same here. I think the place you can really hear an instrument the way it sounds is when live recording in done in the studio & even sometimes you may not, if its accompanied & recorded with other instruments at the same time.Gazzip said:
SteveR750
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BigH said:
Absolutely, Wembley arena anyone?
However, don't confuse the sound of a live gig with the sound of a live instrument, played in front of you. Rock gigs are the worst, all that macho turn it up to 11 nonsense.
matt49
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There's huge variation in live sound at rock gigs, though I've still to hear a gig mixed in a way I'd want to hear it at home.SteveR750 said:
Classical music is a whole different experience. Although there are some halls with really duff acoustics, in general live sound is the benchmark.
Native_bon said:
here's the catch 22 though. You think you are hearing the instrument being recorded au naturel, but in fact it's anything but. In order to get the Instrument sounding how people want it to hear, there's usually quite a lot of eq, compression and reverb added to it.
That's why people talk about live music because it is the *only* way to hear instruments as if they were there in front of you, because they are.
Most recorded stuff, even the live stuff, get's dabbled around with, so what people like to think of as pure, actually isn't.
SteveR750
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There's plenty of opportunity to hear an instrument in its natural state, pub bands are a good example. No one PAs the drum kit, and it's there right under your nose. Similarly, a small ensemble in a small venue, be it jazz or classical; again they are not usually mic'd, and it's just you, them, and the room acoustic.
The interesting challenge is subtle but significant. How well does your home system replicate the instrument recorded in another room, and how well does it reproduce the sound of an instrument recorded in your listening room? In both cases of course, replay is done in your own listening room.
The interesting challenge is subtle but significant. How well does your home system replicate the instrument recorded in another room, and how well does it reproduce the sound of an instrument recorded in your listening room? In both cases of course, replay is done in your own listening room.
Native_bon
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I think you misunderstood me.. I did not say recorded. Playing the instrument live in the studio. Pre recorded. In other words, playing the instrument when recording it. Eg. piano, double bass, violin, drums.. e.t.c. This will also depend on weather the input parameters are neutral. Eq or compression can be added pre or post recording.cheeseboy said:
Amazingly - whoever said it was right by the looks of it - system replaying the live sound
This is a link to a system that even though its only a you tube video if you listen back on something half decent you can get half an idea of how good this would sound. - not a phone speaker obviously
Listening back on some Seinheiser £130 cans off my asus xonar sound card I can imagine how good this must be - the guys comments at the end says it all.
Cracking tune as well.
This is a link to a system that even though its only a you tube video if you listen back on something half decent you can get half an idea of how good this would sound. - not a phone speaker obviously
Listening back on some Seinheiser £130 cans off my asus xonar sound card I can imagine how good this must be - the guys comments at the end says it all.
Cracking tune as well.
Yep, ellisdj, a good recording like that Vanessa Fernandez on a good system is comparable with live.
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