BEST 50+ Inch TV

[Anonymous]

Panasonic

Cnet Test Results: Black Level rose from 0.008fL to 0.023fL by 1500 hours
This represents an ~66% reduction in the Contrast Ratio at identical settings--eg. 5000:1 down to 1700:1

some user build a google spredshet with the mll reports from a lot of diferent users/owners of 11/12 G

from 20 hours to 2000 hours and the measurement blacks from very diferent inchs sets - its very intersting

Panasonic 11G/12G black levels have seemingly doubled over night? (google this)

comparasion to other sets black levels ill try search tomorrow, have to have so rest , tomorrow big day

not much time to spend here but it was good talking today.. take care

cya max

M. Miguel

 

[Anonymous]

sorry about the links , honestly i didnt know they were present but im so tired , i know you will take care of them

thank you all

cya tomorrow

 

[Anonymous]

Highly recommend Sony KDL55X4500 as one of my neighbour gatta last week, itz amazing.

 

[chelsea2010]

Understood Stormpilot,

I suppose the real problem is the market, (as I have said in previous mail) are manufacturers just don't spend the same amount of cash in R&D and quality materials in making sets as they use to. I understand recession and everything, but its really not good for the consumer at all. I mean I'm looking at sets 2 year old (SAD), because as for picture quality, sets have not surpassed the predecessors e.g Kuro PDP-LX6090.

I will look into the Panasonic ones but when you want to spend 3k upwards on a set it seem the market is not supply models to accommodate the consumer retrospective to how the market was 2 years ago.

What our peoples thoughts on this??? Its good to get peoples opinions?

 

[chelsea2010]

How good is good ????

 

[Anonymous]

CM7:
sorry about the links , honestly i didnt know they were present but im so tired , i know you will take care of them

thank you all

cya tomorrow

I hope the Panasonic does turn out to have problems, because it seems that your self esteem is entirely entwined with it not being the right choice.

 

[AEJim]

chelsea2010:
Understood Stormpilot,

I suppose the real problem is the market, (as I have said in previous mail) are manufacturers just don't spend the same amount of cash in R&D and quality materials in making sets as they use to. I understand recession and everything, but its really not good for the consumer at all. I mean I'm looking at sets 2 year old (SAD), because as for picture quality, sets have not surpassed the predecessors e.g Kuro PDP-LX6090.

I will look into the Panasonic ones but when you want to spend 3k upwards on a set it seem the market is not supply models to accommodate the consumer retrospective to how the market was 2 years ago.

What our peoples thoughts on this??? Its good to get peoples opinions?

I had the same problem at the other end of the spectrum, I wanted a 46-50" TV for a reasonable price but found most had lower quality panels so you'd have to pay more for "gimmicks" you'd never use to get a better picture. I think you are getting at the same point from the quality side - development in outright picture performance seems to be suffering to chase the 3D/Internet/Freeview HD and all the other options. You'd think by now the Kuro's would have been at least equalled if not bettered.

I don't think there is a "top" quality screen currently available as 3D jumped in and took precedence over outright performance so the best is still the older Pioneer Kuro's, which can still be found if that's what you're after.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record I settled on the LG PK350 (US Version is PK550 if you want to do some more research) at around £650 because the panel and processing is the same as the PK990 (£1600) which WHF rated at 5-star. In-fact it's a little better as you can turn off the locked sharpening mode of the PK990 resulting in finer detail and slightly better blacks (.0132 fL measured), colours and motion are very good indeed and it's technically a competitor to the Pana G20/V20 at half the price. Only real downside is a very reflective screen - this is either an issue or not depending on the viewing environment. I keep mentioning this screen as many keep on about far more expensive screens which will not necessarily be better - I'm trying to help save people some money! It does look dire in the shops though Even fresh out of the box at home it's a hundred times better, I don't know why they do it... I'll shut up again now

 

[TKratz]

Ok, let's calm down a minute.

I agree, that the attitude from Panasonic is wrong. They have ignored to address this issue in a serious way, and that have probably scared and annoyed a lot Panasonic owners and potentiel buyers.

When that is said I think the Panasonic black level issue is hugely overrated!

So let's take it from the beginning once again. All TVs loose contrast level over time. To compensate for this loss, most manufacturers build in an algorithm to steadily increase brightness over time. The build in algorithm on some of the Panasonic 2009 models have been too agressive and resulted in this remarkeble loss in black level. This is not a hardware malfunction, and in principle Panasonic should be able to fix this with a firmware update.

So should you disregard Panasonic 2010 plasmas because of the 2009 problems? I don't see why you should. Otherwise you should also disregard:

- Sony, because of the backlight bleeding in many 2009 models

- Philips, because of the inability to obtain a correct picture for some 2009 models

I am sure the list can be continued to contain more or less every manufacturer!

 

[6th.replicant]

AEJim:...At the risk of sounding like a broken record I settled on the LG PK350... ...I'll shut up again now
Please, don't "shut up"!

The more that we're aware that there is a current TV with decent PQ, not overloaded with umpteen spurious (and costly) gimmicks, nor plagued with suspect reliability, then so much the better.

FWIW, the LG PK350 is now on my shortlist (assuming that it is 1080p and 24fps...). And the current Panasonics are not.

Many thanks, AEJim.

 

[Anonymous]

12th:CM7:

sorry about the links , honestly i didnt know they were present but im so tired , i know you will take care of them

thank you all

cya tomorrow

I hope the Panasonic does turn out to have problems, because it seems that your self esteem is entirely entwined with it not being the right choice.

If you spend more time reading more of this forum posts and others i think you would have a better and more produtive atitude..

I never said that panasonic was or not the best choice right now , if you rewind few posts backs i was convinced that it would be the right choice , in fact december 2009 even paid advance for a 50v10 that never come due to stock failure , and pansonic after said it would give me the sucessor for the same price (50v20) then i waited and waited and then it came public all the issues you know about .. thats why i dint bought the pana, cause having doubts about the preimium performance and features that you paid the extra for me it wouldnt be the safest/wise choice ..

No one knows (yet) if the real problems studied and proved in 2009 sets are solved in 2010 sets (to early ) but studies are being made .. meanwhile for everyone who needs a tv i wouldnt not recommend it with 100% sure that is the best tv

This is evident and compreenshive i think ..

I bought a samsung , eventough i dont have the best tv at the moment i have a tv that as a very good price/quality relation

very good performance and PQ and satisfy me near 90% .. Like Samsung you can buy other brands as LG plasma, for instance the reviewd and 5 star awarded , and have a very good Tv set without need to spend extra cash for supost extra quality and picture performance with a unknowed life time ..

Bootom line - there are good alternatives to panasonic , i particular wouldnt call it the King

and if you need a tv and is not urgent my best advice /safer is to wait a few longer :

This way you able to make sure if the problems were really solved/not and if you are making a good investment or just paying for something that degrades very quicly and loose its premium qualities while you watch it !

I am thinking right ?

 

[Anonymous]

TKratz:

Ok, let's calm down a minute.

I agree, that the attitude from Panasonic is wrong. They have ignored to address this issue in a serious way, and that have probably scared and annoyed a lot Panasonic owners and potentiel buyers.

When that is said I think the Panasonic black level issue is hugely overrated!

So let's take it from the beginning once again. All TVs loose contrast level over time. To compensate for this loss, most manufacturers build in an algorithm to steadily increase brightness over time. The build in algorithm on some of the Panasonic 2009 models have been too agressive and resulted in this remarkeble loss in black level. This is not a hardware malfunction, and in principle Panasonic should be able to fix this with a firmware update.

So should you disregard Panasonic 2010 plasmas because of the 2009 problems? I don't see why you should. Otherwise you should also disregard:

- Sony, because of the backlight bleeding in many 2009 models

- Philips, because of the inability to obtain a correct picture for some 2009 models

I am sure the list can be continued to contain more or less every manufacturer!

I agree with you partially but really dont understand why panasonic knowing all about this havent yet realease a FW to fix the problem..???

Its June , theres a lot of insatisfaid costumers and potential buyers, not very good publicity ...

..when i was deciding what to do and having read about this issues i have been very keen to all the owners thread i could find, and if you look for it there are a lot of users and complains adress to panasonic simply ignored or receiving the answer "that is nothing to fix" ..

If i boughted a 2009 set and was afected i would surely wanted it fixed !

 

[AEJim]

*edit - meant to quote 6th Replicant and reply!

Does indeed handle 24p no probs at all and is 1080p, looks great with the PS3 on Blu-Ray. All you miss out on over the more expensive models is extra HDMI's, Freeview HD (standard Freeview is included) and some of the networking, you do get USB though. The other models also have "THX" day/night options which should mean a better out-of-the-box colour temp, though the standard "Expert" 1 or 2 settings on the 350 come close and have more accurate colours than most. Should you wish to calibrate (as I've been trying) the options are as extensive as it gets - 20 point IRE with RGB filters built in etc.

The other option, should you want the same picture WITH all the toys is the PK590 - I've seen you can now get it from one of the large electrical chains (that sound like Indian food) with a discount code for £682! They really are great for the money - I worked in Audio-T for a while a couple of years back and saw the best of the screens around (inc Kuro's) and these new LG's are better than all I saw bar those Pioneers! The added bonus is that for plasma's they're pretty compact too, just over 2" deep, slimmer than my 32" Panasonic LXD700 it replaced

 

[6th.replicant]

AEJim:...The added bonus is that for plasma's they're pretty compact too, just over 2" deep...
Ooh, just had a peep at a pic of a LG 50PK350 - pleasingly simple and elegant design, perfect for wall-hanging. When not in use, it can double-up as a 'poor man's Rothko' [click here].

 

[Anonymous]

CM7:
If you spend more time reading more of this forum posts and others i think you would have a better and more produtive atitude..

Why? Forums aren't popularity contests. Whenever there's anything said about the Panasonic range, you will be here saying the same things, usually several times. You may be right. Obviously I hope you're not, but if so, que sera. It's only a telly.

 

[Anonymous]

v20 mate