Arguments for and against calibration

[GSB]

Would this be an alternative to calibration do you think...OR would you still need the calibration done first to get the beneifit from the Darbee..???and if the Darbee is that good, would you still neeed the calibration..??? intersting 8)

Yeah,tv still needs calibration.....remember,calibration will give you the correct ratio's to display the best image your set is cabable of.

 

[mr malarky]

Evenin all

I have been thinking about getting my GT50-50in calibrated but to be honest I have very little knowledge about the procedure, I have tried to look for in depth info but at no avail, Can some one explain the procedure, my first interest is how is it exactly it is carried out, as I understand a laptop is needed and the software but is the laptop connected to the tv, if so which way via HDMI or the DVI Port I think it is, I would be very intersted to understand a little about the procedure, as I am sure others would, It may seem a dumb question but this maybe a reason why some do not have callibration done, so I suppose I fall in that catorgory.

Thanks 8)

There are no dumb questions - only dumb answers.

 

[strapped for cash]

How about in true Two Ronnies style, we call you Mr Fork Ash?

(and four TVs) later. Note to self: I really need to stop buying TVs...

:O What's the list?

Well, I prefer the Two Ronnies to Max Mosley, so I guess that's progress.

In order, I've owned a Panasonic 42G10; Panasonic 42V20; Panasonic 50GT50 (actually x 3, so technically I've owned six TVs during this period); and a Panasonic 50VT65 (calibrated, since we're on the calibration thread). I'm done now until I buy an OLED TV in four-to-five year's time.

 

[mr malarky]

I'm done now until I buy an OLED TV in four-to-five year's time.

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Amen to that!

 

[strapped for cash]

Would this be an alternative to calibration do you think...OR would you still need the calibration done first to get the beneifit from the Darbee..???and if the Darbee is that good, would you still neeed the calibration..??? intersting 8)

A Darbee isn't a substitute for professional calibration.

The Darbee is an image processor that uses a sharpening algorithm to create the impression of greater detail. Technically the Darbee is "anti-calibration," since the source elements are deliberately altered, to quite some degree. Some people like this processing; but it won't improve greyscale, colour, and gamma accuracy, which is what a calibrator will do if you employ their services.

 

[ellisdj]

I have just read 2 post there which are a bit deluded - no offence intended

For starters using a test disc to set the brightness and contrast is not even close to doing a full calibration. That is about 5% of it.

Its setting the greyscale that makes all the difference in the world and out of the box they are nowhere near accurate. The Pioneer 500 / 5090 and the 600's etc were quite close out of the box, but still pushed red heavily and required a lot of work to get setup at its best.

A Pioneer 500a setup badly may look similar to an LCD but with blacks. A 500A calibrated properly has the ability to blow your socks off with its image - thats the difference, and thats whats being missed byu those usign it without one

Look at this

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457

Scroll down until you see the jennifer aniston before and after greyscale shots - while one is darker and thats not 100% accurate of what an average tv image will look like the difference in the clairty between the 2 shots - i.e one is flat - the other she stands out gives you an idea of the difference.

 

[strapped for cash]

Amen to that!

I've told myself similar things before, however.

 

[mr malarky]

Amen to that!

I've told myself similar things before, however.

Haven't we all,

However, if I even look at another TV in the next four years I'll have to factor the cost of a divorce into the purchase price, which I suspect will make the cost of an upgrade rather prohibitive...

 

[strapped for cash]

if I even look at another TV in the next four years I'll have to factor the cost of a divorce into the purchase price

You make it sound like infidelity.

Maybe you can find another way to scratch the upgrade itch. I'm already considering another BDP. AV enthusiasm really is an incurable addiction.

 

[bigboss]

A Pioneer 500a setup badly may look similar to an LCD but with blacks.

Where did you get this information from?

 

[mr malarky]

if I even look at another TV in the next four years I'll have to factor the cost of a divorce into the purchase price

You make it sound like infidelity.

Maybe you can find another way to scratch the upgrade itch. I'm already considering another BDP. AV enthusiasm really is an incurable addiction.

It is indeed a road that never ends! Am pretty happy with the current denon on the bluray front, current thinking is to hold off and see if we move house next year - if we do and get a larger lounge then its either another set of RXFX for side surrounds or front height, or a second sub (or both...).

 

[GSB]

Amen to that!

I've told myself similar things before, however.

Haven't we all,

However, if I even look at another TV in the next four years I'll have to factor the cost of a divorce into the purchase price, which I suspect will make the cost of an upgrade rather prohibitive...

Amen to that!

 

[strapped for cash]

It is indeed a road that never ends! Am pretty happy with the current denon on the bluray front

What's your opinion of the 2012, now you've lived with it?

 

[ellisdj]

A Pioneer 500a setup badly may look similar to an LCD but with blacks.

Where did you get this information from?

Was poastred ealier tin the thread - hos fathers 500a looks no better than his Sony except for the blacks...

 

[bigboss]

A Pioneer 500a setup badly may look similar to an LCD but with blacks.

Where did you get this information from?

Was poastred ealier tin the thread - hos fathers 500a looks no better than his Sony except for the blacks...

You need to scale down on those drinks mate!

 

[BenLaw]

How about in true Two Ronnies style, we call you Mr Fork Ash?

(and four TVs) later. Note to self: I really need to stop buying TVs...

:O What's the list?

Well, I prefer the Two Ronnies to Max Mosley, so I guess that's progress.

In order, I've owned a Panasonic 42G10; Panasonic 42V20; Panasonic 50GT50 (actually x 3, so technically I've owned six TVs during this period); and a Panasonic 50VT65 (calibrated, since we're on the calibration thread). I'm done now until I buy an OLED TV in four-to-five year's time.

I'm sensing a pattern. I'm guessing the OLED will be from Panasonic's 'G' range.

 

[ellisdj]

A Pioneer 500a setup badly may look similar to an LCD but with blacks.

Where did you get this information from?

Was poastred ealier tin the thread - hos fathers 500a looks no better than his Sony except for the blacks...

You need to scale down on those drinks mate!

 

[mr malarky]

It is indeed a road that never ends! Am pretty happy with the current denon on the bluray front

What's your opinion of the 2012, now you've lived with it?

Mostly all positive, have stuck with denon players for years (going back to DVD decks with scart outputs) and have always been happy with the picture quality, wanted the 2012 as still have a few SACD's and DVD-audio discs I play on occasion. Only criticisms would be:

loading times can be a bit clunky at times.

the remote control is a bit of a brick.

sometimes, on 'Universal' discs, if you leave it on pause for too long the 'Universal' screensaver appears and you cannot get back to the film without pressing 'stop' and then starting again from the chapter select menu.

for picture and sound quality though I honestly couldn't fault it.

 

[strapped for cash]

I'm sensing a pattern. I'm guessing the OLED will be from Panasonic's 'G' range.

You're assuming there's some guiding logic informing my TV buying decisions; if only...

 

[strapped for cash]

Mostly all positive, have stuck with denon players for years (going back to DVD decks with scart outputs) and have always been happy with the picture quality, wanted the 2012 as still have a few SACD's and DVD-audio discs I play on occasion. Only criticisms would be:

loading times can be a bit clunky at times.

the remote control is a bit of a brick.

sometimes, on 'Universal' discs, if you leave it on pause for too long the 'Universal' screensaver appears and you cannot get back to the film without pressing 'stop' and then starting again from the chapter select menu.

for picture and sound quality though I honestly couldn't fault it.

Cheers mate.

I've got my eye on a CA 651BD, but it'd be ex-display, which gives me some pause.

 

[BenLaw]

I'm sensing a pattern. I'm guessing the OLED will be from Panasonic's 'G' range.

You're assuming there's some guiding logic informing my TV buying decisions; if only...

I'm really not! Subconscious at best.

 

[Paul.]

A Pioneer 500a setup badly may look similar to an LCD but with blacks.

Where did you get this information from?

Was poastred ealier tin the thread - hos fathers 500a looks no better than his Sony except for the blacks...

You need to scale down on those drinks mate!

E series is plasma, ES is led. My TV is a Samsung plasma, so only your whole sentence is incorrect

 

[mr malarky]

Mostly all positive, have stuck with denon players for years (going back to DVD decks with scart outputs) and have always been happy with the picture quality, wanted the 2012 as still have a few SACD's and DVD-audio discs I play on occasion. Only criticisms would be:

loading times can be a bit clunky at times.

the remote control is a bit of a brick.

sometimes, on 'Universal' discs, if you leave it on pause for too long the 'Universal' screensaver appears and you cannot get back to the film without pressing 'stop' and then starting again from the chapter select menu.

for picture and sound quality though I honestly couldn't fault it.

Cheers mate.

I've got my eye on a CA 651BD, but it'd be ex-display, which gives me some pause.

how much is that CA going for?

 

[strapped for cash]

how much is that CA going for?

£300. If it was brand new, I'd probably do it.

Upscaling is the main reason I'm considering the CA, as the 651 does an exemplary job in this regard. Upscaling is reasonable on my Panny, but I'm certainly not getting the best from DVDs. (And I still own many films on DVD that are yet to receive a BD release.)

 

[ellisdj]

A Pioneer 500a setup badly may look similar to an LCD but with blacks.

Where did you get this information from?

Was poastred ealier tin the thread - hos fathers 500a looks no better than his Sony except for the blacks...

You need to scale down on those drinks mate!

E series is plasma, ES is led. My TV is a Samsung plasma, so only your whole sentence is incorrect

it actually makes no difference what the tv's are - setting them up by eye only is accounting for the differences you are not seeing - the sentence remains.

i can't believe people argue against a calibration it's completely deluded! £££££ on kit but not interested in actually seeing it properly its mental

Your samsung plasma is supposed to be very good after a calibration - before its generally all over the place according to reviews http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Samsung-E6500-PS-51E6500-60E6500-3D-Plasma-Smart-TV-Review_356/Test_Results.html http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps60e6500-ps51e6500-201207262022.htm?page=Calibration