Are separates on borrowed time?

[John Duncan]

Good point. If Ashley unbans everybody we can all discuss this over there in a civilised fashion.

 

[The_Lhc]

ADM owners have no product to sell

Actually that's not strictly true. I'm not suggesting people on that forum are receiving commission on new sales but they are getting a reward, namely that every time someone new buys an AVI product the existing owners get an increased sense of group approval, the feeling that their own choice has been validated, that sense of group belonging and approval is a massive (albeit subconscious) motivator for most people, so they'll promote (aggressively sometimes) their own choice and put down anything else that doesn't fit in to the group.

It happens everywhere, in fact it's the driver behind pretty much every argument on this forum (and everywhere else), see the iPhone/Android threads (guilty) or the MA Apex thread on here is great example of group self-assurance.

 

[listening-in97]

Wow! Thank you for that great description. I will be listening for just what you mentioned when I demo the Brio this weekend. Part of my interest lies in its phono ability as I intend to add a turntable later, and restart from scratch an LP library. So the system is geared towards record-playing, with decent playback of digital 24-bit files. Cheers for your help.

 

[John Duncan]

in fact it's the driver behind pretty much every argument on this forum (and everywhere else)

+1

 

[John Duncan]

But I suppose it reassures those who live in denial of a better[?] way of listening.

What a poor, unenlightened soul I am.

 

[professorhat]

I feel reassured by that.

 

[Clare Newsome]

 

[Overdose]

That's just wrong.

(but what a sister!)

 

[Anonymous]

Why can't this all be 'thrashed out' on the AVI forum?

Why does WHF? have to be the 'forum of choice' for arguing about AVI forum politics and personalities?

No-one comes here to moan about the Naim forum's business or Hifi Wigwam issues.

Please take it home to where it belongs.

Pesumably this post is for the benefit of DM and David? As it's generally only them that seem to keep mentioning AVI's owners, and they are doing so on here, not there..

 

[bigboss]

I was quite impressed by the Xeos bigboss. They sounded tighter than other Dynaudios, which I welcome. I think that while wireless speakers are never truly wireless, many people will be drawn to the fact that there will only be a mains cable running to each speaker - everything else plugs into the transmitter situated with your sources. I'd say it's about as neat a solution as you can get at the moment, and could kick start demand for this type of product.

Thanks David. This is kind of solution I would be interested in. At first, I thought they were expensive, but in fact you get a lot for the money, on paper at least. Have to resist an audition for a few months until finances stabilise, because I know I might end up buying. :hand:

 

[John Duncan]

Pesumably this post is for the benefit of DM and David? As it's generally only them that seem to keep mentioning AVI's owners, and they are doing so on here, not there..

Am bored now

 

[Anonymous]

Pesumably this post is for the benefit of DM and David? As it's generally only them that seem to keep mentioning AVI's owners, and they are doing so on here, not there..

Am bored now

Me too, i don't care for politics, i just want to hear peoples views on the kit, and give mine..

 

[John Duncan]

Pesumably this post is for the benefit of DM and David? As it's generally only them that seem to keep mentioning AVI's owners, and they are doing so on here, not there..

Am bored now

Me too, i don't care for politics, i just want to hear peoples views on the kit, and give mine..

Uhuh.

 

[listening-in97]

Thanks again Sizzers for sharing your thoughts. I get what you are saying now - the CDP (bright-ish) coupled with revealing speakers led to the problem. Where I live, in Hong Kong, only a few shops sell the Brio, with only a few speaker brands on-hand but which are way out of my price range to demo it with.

So while I will listen to the Brio in-store, I have to buy it blind and them take it to eight other shops to try it out with the speakers that I think might work. No home tryouts here. But can I take it that you feel a Brio even with revealing speakers would still be ok, maybe tamped down with right speaker cable? Nice singer that Katie Melua. I wonder what you think of Sheila Chandra, check out "The Enchantment" on youtube, though their audio does not do justice to the lossless versions of her work.

Discussing qualities like "decay" and "soundstage" is tricky here in this city when the salesperson only knows two dozen words in English. My fault though for not learning their language.

So it's a big leap off the cliff with the Brio and I truly appreciate all the opinons from you guys.

Cheers

 

[drummerman]

Why can't this all be 'thrashed out' on the AVI forum?

Why does WHF? have to be the 'forum of choice' for arguing about AVI forum politics and personalities?

No-one comes here to moan about the Naim forum's business or Hifi Wigwam issues.

Please take it home to where it belongs.

Why? The original post is clearly related to AVI and some could argue, a challenge to many here. At least I think that was the intention knowing Max a little, bless him. - Of course, it is impossible to discuss AVI without mentioninng the co-owner. Quite odd, because no one talks about Martin which goes quietly about making good products.

Does anyone even know what Naim's owners are called? - See, thats the difference.

Its all in good spirits though I hope and I am sure Ashley will both understand, agree and laugh about it with us ...

regards

 

[drummerman]

Wow! Thank you for that great description. I will be listening for just what you mentioned when I demo the Brio this weekend. Part of my interest lies in its phono ability as I intend to add a turntable later, and restart from scratch an LP library. So the system is geared towards record-playing, with decent playback of digital 24-bit files. Cheers for your help.

You're most welcome pet

Did I mention I'm half deaf ... ?

regards

 

[fr0g]

Wow! Thank you for that great description. I will be listening for just what you mentioned when I demo the Brio this weekend. Part of my interest lies in its phono ability as I intend to add a turntable later, and restart from scratch an LP library. So the system is geared towards record-playing, with decent playback of digital 24-bit files. Cheers for your help.

You're most welcome pet

Did I mention I'm half deaf ... ?

regards

I just did a little wee, that's pretty funny

 

[John Duncan]

Does anyone even know what Naim's owners are called?

Uhuh.

Its all in good spirits though I hope and I am sure Ashley will both understand, agree and laugh about it with us ...

You a funny guy.

 

[Sizzers]

Thanks again Sizzers for sharing your thoughts. I get what you are saying now - the CDP (bright-ish) coupled with revealing speakers led to the problem. Where I live, in Hong Kong, only a few shops sell the Brio, with only a few speaker brands on-hand but which are way out of my price range to demo it with.

So while I will listen to the Brio in-store, I have to buy it blind and them take it to eight other shops to try it out with the speakers that I think might work. No home tryouts here. But can I take it that you feel a Brio even with revealing speakers would still be ok, maybe tamped down with right speaker cable? Nice singer that Katie Melua. I wonder what you think of Sheila Chandra, check out "The Enchantment" on youtube, though their audio does not do justice to the lossless versions of her work.

Discussing qualities like "decay" and "soundstage" is tricky here in this city when the salesperson only knows two dozen words in English. My fault though for not learning their language.

So it's a big leap off the cliff with the Brio and I truly appreciate all the opinons from you guys.

Cheers

The honest answer is I don't know.Again, I believe the root problem is the Apollo. Unfortunately I cannot access my Marantz player to do a proper comparison and give an opinion (that is definitely not bright!). I've read of a number of people hooking up the Brio with the RS1's and being ecstatic, and others not so. Regardless of what they're hooked up to they're pretty revealing - as are my Focal's - and I think that clarity and detail is a trade-off with warmth.If it were me I would go and listen to the speakers in the other shops before listening/buying the Brio and asking others for their opinions in a seperate post. The speakers are going to be the greatest shaper of the sound you're looking for so that's where I would start.Apologies I can't be of more help, but I do wish you the best of luck (and I'm listening to "The Flood" as I type lol).

The honest answer is I don't know.

Again, I believe the root problem is the Apollo. Unfortunately I cannot access my Marantz player to do a proper comparison and give an opinion (that is definitely not bright!). I've read of a number of people hooking up the Brio with the RS1's and being ecstatic, and others not so. Regardless of what they're hooked up to they're pretty revealing - as are my Focal's - and I think that clarity and detail is a trade-off with warmth.

If it were me I would go and listen to the speakers in the other shops before listening/buying the Brio and asking others for their opinions; the speakers are going to be the greatest shaper of the sound you're looking for so that's where I would start. If you type in "brio-r speakers" in the "Forum search" box at the top of the page you will find lots of suggestions and advice in a variety of posts listed there to help guide you.

I'm sorry I can't be more help, but I do wish you the best of luck (and I'm listening to "The Flood" as I type lol).

 

[Overdose]

I was quite impressed by the Xeos bigboss. They sounded tighter than other Dynaudios, which I welcome. I think that while wireless speakers are never truly wireless, many people will be drawn to the fact that there will only be a mains cable running to each speaker - everything else plugs into the transmitter situated with your sources. I'd say it's about as neat a solution as you can get at the moment, and could kick start demand for this type of product.

Thanks David. This is kind of solution I would be interested in. At first, I thought they were expensive, but in fact you get a lot for the money, on paper at least. Have to resist an audition for a few months until finances stabilise, because I know I might end up buying. :hand:

As an aside, if they are similar to the BM5As in terms of loudness, they might be pushed to fill large spaces, but would be fine in average UK sized rooms. I set up a sub with my speakers though and it allowed them a fair bit more headroom, unfortunately the sub packed in. Just something to bear in mind. They do sound nice though.

 

[Alec]

Anyone give a toss apart from those who are trying to win some "intelectual" volleyball?

I'll give you a clue - the answer is not "yes".

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

 

[Overdose]

Anyone give a toss apart from those who are trying to win some "intelectual" volleyball?

I'll give you a clue - the answer is not "yes".

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Time for the mods to lock this I think, not much mileage left in this one.........

 

[the record spot]

NEver quite understood why separates should be going the way of the Dodo. After all, you still need a source, or several sources as is the case for many of us on here. So what element of the separates legacy is going? The removal of a separate amp and speaker arrangement. Fair dos, but did anybody come up with the same question around the death of the tuner when they started making receivers?

 

[relocated]

But I suppose it reassures those who live in denial of a better[?] way of listening.

What a poor, unenlightened soul I am.

I was NOT thinking of you John and from our email exchanges had no real need to question your enlightenment.

But if YOU think the cap fits.............

 

[relocated]

Why can't this all be 'thrashed out' on the AVI forum?

Why does WHF? have to be the 'forum of choice' for arguing about AVI forum politics and personalities?

No-one comes here to moan about the Naim forum's business or Hifi Wigwam issues.

Please take it home to where it belongs.

There may be some people who wish to engage in AVI politics, I don't really know. WHF is a very broad church but is firmly anchored in passives and amps and cables etc. and there is nothing wrong with that given that actives are relatively new and have few manufacturers in the domestic market.

I contribute here because I was lucky enough to be first exposed to ADM 9Ts on here. As a result I now own the best pieces of kit my money has paid for and my ears rejoice in. So I just want to inform those unaware of a brilliant product that it is out there.

If some people would just accept that there is more than one way of doing things it might not get so over-heated. I don't think my way is the only way.