oldric_naubhoff said:fr0g said:And I'd wager that the default setting is flat, accurate, pro audio style and the "sweeter" one is the "Hi-fi" one.
you don't have to wager. it's enough if you can read previous posts with understanding. that's exactly what was written. however, it's the flat setting which is hi-fi. the other one is not.
it doesn't matter if the product stems from pro or consumer audio market. if it alters the "reality" it's not hi-fi. in this particular case it was demand from recording engineers which introduced "sweeter" setting. nothing to do with consumer audio market. so I wouldn't be going so much into glorifying pro audio market. flat, accurate, pro audio style....
The "Hi-fi" tag has a long time been synonymous for coloured sound. Maybe a misuse of the term, but there's no doubt that the pro speakers I have heard are more High fidelity than the typical Hi-Fi store kind.
But yes, I should learn to read the whole thread... point taken...
Excitable Boy
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Not sure now if separates are on borrrowed time......but surely this thread is by now ??????? :wave:
Overdose
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oldric_naubhoff said:........ if you can read previous posts with understanding. ....................it was demand from recording engineers which introduced "sweeter" setting. nothing to do with consumer audio market. so I wouldn't be going so much into glorifying pro audio market. flat, accurate, pro audio style....
As I understood it, the demand came from the paymasters, ie the labels, by insisting on high levels of dynamic compression and the solution at the request of the engineers, is to have a softer setting to lessen the true harshness of such recordings, something akin to a 'warm' system, I believe.
Harsh sounding recordings are not going to be fun to listen to, day in and day out, as the engineers working in the studios have to.
The mastering is done with the flat response setting and nothing has detracted from the ability of these speakers to perform in this regard, simply by adding an extra function. It just makes the speakers a little more versatile, although I don't know why in a studio, the sound could not be altered by a flick of a switch on the desk to a satisfactory digital EQ preset, as opposed to getting up and moving around the speakers to set as many switches as there are speakers.
6th.replicant
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oldric_naubhoff said:
Using strict terminology, I would agree. And I wasn't trying to raise any controversy. I used quotation marks around "hi-fi" because it's the colloquial term often used in the recording industry to describe speakers that sound sweetened up. The irony being, this defintion of "hi-fi" isn't so altogether rare in professional studio monitors, IMO.
Dear Mr Barefoot,
You will come to realise, if you have not done so already, that you have to be very careful when using certain phrases. You must dot every i and cross every t otherwise some people may well put you on the 'naughty step'. There can also be frenzied exchanges about cables [especialy mains cables and HDMI & USB cables] having any effect on sound quality. Also not having graphs and copious amounts of figures and not ABX testing gets you lots and lots of minus points.
It's 'never personal' and 'no offenc(s)e' is ever intended but it can get extraordinarily juvenile, but hopefully this will not put you off from future posts. People do seem to be quite in love with you at the moment which considering you 'do Actives' is rather refreshing.
Yours in harmony and fraternity, hands across the pond etc.,
relocated
:cheer:
You will come to realise, if you have not done so already, that you have to be very careful when using certain phrases. You must dot every i and cross every t otherwise some people may well put you on the 'naughty step'. There can also be frenzied exchanges about cables [especialy mains cables and HDMI & USB cables] having any effect on sound quality. Also not having graphs and copious amounts of figures and not ABX testing gets you lots and lots of minus points.
It's 'never personal' and 'no offenc(s)e' is ever intended but it can get extraordinarily juvenile, but hopefully this will not put you off from future posts. People do seem to be quite in love with you at the moment which considering you 'do Actives' is rather refreshing.
Yours in harmony and fraternity, hands across the pond etc.,
relocated
:cheer:
drummerman said:
It has been said that you are a 'one', but in this instance DM you appear to not be alone. It is much nicer for this more genteel approach of late, don't you think?
John Duncan
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relocated said:
Only elsewhere, or from people who frequent elsewhere. I think the majority on here don't tend to give a ticker's cuss about that stuff, they listen to equipment and judge it by doing so. It is this approach, compared to the more scientific approach which is espoused elsewhere, which causes the conflict.
relocated said:
Well he's a handsome chap, don't you think?
relocated said:
I think you misjudge us.
I 'misjudge' you, not. Based on the balance of the converstaions over all the time I have been reading and then joining the WHF forums.
But solely based on the last few weeks, with some notable exceptions, then that comment of 'misjudge' could be fairly levelled. I certainly know which edition of this Forum I prefer and hopefully the current trend will continue and grow stronger. I live in hope, hopefully I won't die in expectation.
But solely based on the last few weeks, with some notable exceptions, then that comment of 'misjudge' could be fairly levelled. I certainly know which edition of this Forum I prefer and hopefully the current trend will continue and grow stronger. I live in hope, hopefully I won't die in expectation.
John Duncan
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BenLaw
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relocated said:I 'misjudge' you, not. Based on the balance of the converstaions over all the time I have been reading and then joining the WHF forums.
But solely based on the last few weeks, with some notable exceptions, then that comment of 'misjudge' could be fairly levelled. I certainly know which edition of this Forum I prefer and hopefully the current trend will continue and grow stronger. I live in hope, hopefully I won't die in expectation.
Yeah... But... it's pretty dull when people endlessly discuss these issues rather than hifi. Must be very tedious for the casual non-member reader.
John Duncan
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relocated said:
I do love the love. But I'm not ready to move in together or anything. So against your advice, let me just expose one of my personal bad habits, lest the romance gets too heated:
I don't clip my toenails at the dinner table, but I am a scientist. There, I said it! Yes, I actually use numbers and graphs to supplement my ears. Therefore, I do not ascribe to much of the magical thinking that gets bandied about in audio. I try not to participate in the religious debates, because I know it's a complete waste of time. On the other hand, I don't entertain the nonsense either. On the occasions when customers ask me questions regarding the sound of cables or whatever, I respectfully tell them that I can’t hear those kinds of differences. I recommend they buy whatever accessories make them feel the most comfortable.
Anyone still think I'm so hot now that it's morning and you've sobered up?
John Duncan
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John Duncan
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barefoot_sound said:John Duncan said:
Damn it!
You had me at "I can’t hear those kinds of differences"
(as distinct from "those differences do not exist")
John Duncan said:barefoot_sound said:John Duncan said:
Damn it!
You had me at "I can’t hear those kinds of differences"
(as distinct from "those differences do not exist")
PHeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww, that was a close one. PLUS, agreeing so much better than the dis version. :O
BenLaw
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John Duncan said:barefoot_sound said:John Duncan said:
Damn it!
You had me at "I can’t hear those kinds of differences"
That's what he says....
barefoot_sound said:
yeah, I get your point and I thought that was what you meant.
it's just that I think it's not fair for those who make their gear with hi-fi values in mind.
barefoot_sound said:
that really doesn't surprise me; speakers are speakers (which means some will be better some will be worse) and studio engineers are humans too, they can have their personal, preferred sound too.
but be careful now! by saying things like that you might be responsible for killing Santa for the second time to some. some people believe so much in audio purity of pro audio gear that it would be mean to saw this last branch they can yet cling to.
P.S. I on the other hand like graphs. so what's with this impulse response you were mentioning before?
John Duncan
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6th.replicant
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steve_1979
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oldric_naubhoff said:
Depending on my mood and what music I'm listening to I sometimes like to listen to a warmer/softer sounding system. This can easy to achieved just by tweeking the EQ a bit though.
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