A converted sceptic

[Vladimir]

Expensive and cheap amplifier DO NOT use the same electronic parts regarding quality and performance. A Pass or Krell amp running in Class A would burst into flames if it did so and many clones using cheaper equivalent parts do simply explode.

Vladimir, I take it you are not in the electronic design business. While Krell and others may have some custom parts in their equipment (most likely transformers) if you think they have 'audiophile transistors' and 'audiophile logic gates' along with their 'audiophile memory' and 'audiophile processors' I am afraid that you are mistaken.

I take it you understand the difference between Samxon or Samwha and Panasonic, Nichicon, UCC? Or Bando and Talema?

 

[Vladimir]

Expensive and cheap amplifier DO NOT use the same electronic parts regarding quality and performance. A Pass or Krell amp running in Class A would burst into flames if it did so and many clones using cheaper equivalent parts do simply explode.

I did a search for cheap amp catches fire, but have drawn a blank. Do you have a link?

Absolutely. http://www.diyaudio.com/ and this might help you learn http://www.badcaps.net/forum/.

 

[TrevC]

Expensive and cheap amplifier DO NOT use the same electronic parts regarding quality and performance. A Pass or Krell amp running in Class A would burst into flames if it did so and many clones using cheaper equivalent parts do simply explode.

However, here is the odd part. 3 matched CTS 450G split shaft 250K pots for fender Stratocaster guitars cost $17.99. Eric Clapton uses 18 dollar pots to make music.

Audiophiles need an ALPS RK50112 "attenuator" that costs $800 to reproduce what Clapton played.

Eric Clapton Stratocaster costs $1,600 new. Luxman L-507u that uses the gold volume pot costs $5,000.

Many people think that a special pot will sound superior to a bog standard one. It won't of course.

 

[Vladimir]

Expensive and cheap amplifier DO NOT use the same electronic parts regarding quality and performance. A Pass or Krell amp running in Class A would burst into flames if it did so and many clones using cheaper equivalent parts do simply explode.

However, here is the odd part. 3 matched CTS 450G split shaft 250K pots for fender Stratocaster guitars cost $17.99. Eric Clapton uses 18 dollar pots to make music.

Audiophiles need an ALPS RK50112 "attenuator" that costs $800 to reproduce what Clapton played.

Eric Clapton Stratocaster costs $1,600 new. Luxman L-507u that uses the gold volume pot costs $5,000.

Many people think that a special pot will sound superior to a bog standard one. It won't, of course.

It measures better (doesn't mean its audible) and within a decade or two you can definitely hear the crackling difference. Need a link?

 

[CnoEvil]

I notice that you still evade question: how can you know that cables make an audible difference if you cannot exclude that your senses are fooling you?

I am not avoiding the question per se, it's just after many (many) posts of trying to get my POV across, I know it's a futile exercise. I have proved it to my own satisfaction and have no wish to force my opinion on anybody.

Given the controversy, I decided to make my mind up ,and so I have been to musical evenings and cable demos and heard many offerings from the likes of Linn, Naim, TCI, Audioquest, QED, Vertere, TQ, Atlas, Isotech, Furutech, Cardas, Clearer Audio, Chord, Audio Note and Titan Audio.

I have heard Copper, Silver and Silver-coated ones.....as well as going from the very cheap, to the very expensive.....and very expensive is certainly not a guarantee that they will give you what you want.

If someone wants to try my suggestions, then great; if they don't, that is also fine. I don't have an insatiable need to convert or insult those with a different perspective.

 

[TrevC]

Expensive and cheap amplifier DO NOT use the same electronic parts regarding quality and performance. A Pass or Krell amp running in Class A would burst into flames if it did so and many clones using cheaper equivalent parts do simply explode.

However, here is the odd part. 3 matched CTS 450G split shaft 250K pots for fender Stratocaster guitars cost $17.99. Eric Clapton uses 18 dollar pots to make music.

Audiophiles need an ALPS RK50112 "attenuator" that costs $800 to reproduce what Clapton played.

Eric Clapton Stratocaster costs $1,600 new. Luxman L-507u that uses the gold volume pot costs $5,000.

Many people think that a special pot will sound superior to a bog standard one. It won't, of course.

It measures better (doesn't mean its audible) and within a decade or two you can definitely hear the crackling difference. Need a link?

All the old 70s classic amplifiers used AB or Morgan pots or similar. Cheap as chips, well matched for stereo, and just as good as an ALPS. Noisy one? No need to replace, little squirt of Servisol provides a semi permanent fix even in an amp that's forty years old. Measures better, nonsense. A variable resistance is a variable resistance.

 

[TrevC]

Expensive and cheap amplifier DO NOT use the same electronic parts regarding quality and performance. A Pass or Krell amp running in Class A would burst into flames if it did so and many clones using cheaper equivalent parts do simply explode.

I did a search for cheap amp catches fire, but have drawn a blank. Do you have a link?

Absolutely. http://www.diyaudio.com/ and this might help you learn http://www.badcaps.net/forum/.

Do you have a more specific link?

 

[Vladimir]

All the old 70s classic amplifiers used AB or Morgan pots or similar. Cheap as chips, well matched for stereo, and just as good as an ALPS. Noisy one? No need to replace, little squirt of Servisol provides a semi permanent fix even in an amp that's forty years old. Measures better, nonsense. A variable resistance is a variable resistance.

Carbon track pots suffer physical damage and sprays can't fix that, they need to be replaced. However, sealed conductive plastic pots or stepped attenuators will not suffer from this and will outlive the amp and the owner. Basic physics Trev and experience.

 

[Vladimir]

Expensive and cheap amplifier DO NOT use the same electronic parts regarding quality and performance. A Pass or Krell amp running in Class A would burst into flames if it did so and many clones using cheaper equivalent parts do simply explode.

I did a search for cheap amp catches fire, but have drawn a blank. Do you have a link?

Absolutely. http://www.diyaudio.com/ and this might help you learn http://www.badcaps.net/forum/.

Do you have a more specific link?

If you want me to educate you on these basic things I need to be paid consultancy money for the tutoring.

 

[TrevC]

All the old 70s classic amplifiers used AB or Morgan pots or similar. Cheap as chips, well matched for stereo, and just as good as an ALPS. Noisy one? No need to replace, little squirt of Servisol provides a semi permanent fix even in an amp that's forty years old. Measures better, nonsense. A variable resistance is a variable resistance.

Carbon track pots suffer physical damage and sprays can't fix that, they need to be replaced. However, sealed conductive plastic pots or stepped attenuators will not suffer from this and will outlive the amp and the owner. Basic physics Trev and experience.

My experience appears to differ from yours. One thing is for sure, pots do not sound different from one another.

 

[ifor]

My experience appears to differ from yours.

Now, wouldn't that be a nice way to start and finish any input to a cable debate?

 

[TrevC]

Expensive and cheap amplifier DO NOT use the same electronic parts regarding quality and performance. A Pass or Krell amp running in Class A would burst into flames if it did so and many clones using cheaper equivalent parts do simply explode.

I did a search for cheap amp catches fire, but have drawn a blank. Do you have a link?

Absolutely. http://www.diyaudio.com/ and this might help you learn http://www.badcaps.net/forum/.

Do you have a more specific link?

If you want me to educate you on these basic things I need to be paid consultancy money for the tutoring.

I want a specific link about an amplifier catching fire. Can you provide one, or did you make that up? I do know there are some lousy fake electrolytic caps around, but the good genuine ones like Panasonic or Rubycon aren't expensive to buy anyway. The 105C ones would be absolutely fine in your boiling hot class A Krell as well as being cheap.

 

[Vladimir]

I have to join the subjectivist camp and declare TrevC a keyboard warrior with realtively little or no experience and knowledge in basic electronics or hi-fi.

*toilet flush sound*

 

[Cockroach]

My experience appears to differ from yours.

Now, wouldn't that be a nice way to start and finish any input to a cable debate?

+1

 

[ISAC69]

I notice that you still evade question: how can you know that cables make an audible difference if you cannot exclude that your senses are fooling you?

I am not avoiding the question per se, it's just after many (many) posts of trying to get my POV across, I know it's a futile exercise. I have proved it to my own satisfaction and have no wish to force my opinion on anybody.

Given the controversy, I decided to make my mind up ,and so I have been to musical evenings and cable demos and heard many offerings from the likes of Linn, Naim, TCI, Audioquest, QED, Vertere, TQ, Atlas, Isotech, Furutech, Cardas, Clearer Audio, Chord, Audio Note and Titan Audio.

I have heard Copper, Silver and Silver-coated ones.....as well as going from the very cheap, to the very expensive.....and very expensive is certainly not a guarantee that they will give you what you want.

If someone wants to try my suggestions, then great; if they don't, that is also fine. I don't have an insatiable need to convert or insult those with a different perspective.

Hi CnoEvil :wave:

I absolutely agree with you expensive cables are certainly not a guarantee for a better sound , But I don't accept that some peoples here saying that all cables sound the same ,

I am intresting to know after hearing many different sort of cables what is your conclusion ?

 

[TrevC]

I have to join the subjectivist camp and declare TrevC a keyboard warrior with realtively little or no experience and knowledge in basic electronics or hi-fi.

*toilet flush sound*

 

[ISAC69]

I have to join the subjectivist camp and declare TrevC a keyboard warrior with realtively little or no experience and knowledge in basic electronics or hi-fi.

*toilet flush sound*

 

[Vladimir]

Just kidding Trev!

Trying to illustrate that us being silly has nothing to do with hi-fi or electronic or acoustic theory. Its just a co*ck fight at this point.

:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

Music!

 

[TrevC]

I have to join the subjectivist camp and declare TrevC a keyboard warrior with realtively little or no experience and knowledge in basic electronics or hi-fi.

*toilet flush sound*

 

[matthewpiano]

I think this forum has reached a real low point.

 

[CnoEvil]

Hi CnoEvil :wave:

I absolutely agree with you expensive cables are certainly not a guarantee for a better sound , But I don't accept that some peoples here saying that all cables sound the same ,

I am intresting to know after hearing many different sort of cables what is your conclusion ?

I don't want to get embroiled again, but a few of my general conclusions are:

- I generally like companies that design and build their own cables (eg. Atlas, Cardas)

- I prefer all copper cables

- I haven't liked most Silver coated cables that I've heard

- Solid silver is better (than silver coated), but not matched with bright sounding electronics.

So yes, I have heard differences, but ime, it is vital to get the electonics right before experimenting.

 

[TrevC]

Just kidding Trev!

Trying to illustrate that us being silly has nothing to do with hi-fi or electronic or acoustic theory. Its just a co*ck fight at this point.

:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

Music!

I was deeply hurt by what you said. I might just sulk for a second or two.

 

[TrevC]

I think this forum has reached a real low point.

Is that a subjective or objective assessment?

 

[BenLaw]

I think this forum has reached a real low point.

It's certainly a bit poor of late. There seem to be three posters whose primary aim is to antagonise the others.

 

[Vladimir]

I think this forum has reached a real low point.

Condescending attitudes are also a negativity. Best to steer clear of things that annoy you and leave up to the moderator's judgment to keep things in order.