The future of vinyl

[Frank Harvey]

In reply to the comment attributed to SJ - "only 2 good songs on a cd - the rest is filler" - I think he's entitled to his opinion but his interest was developing an innovating product by which people could easily access only the music they wanted to hear. With a remark like that - I certainly wouldn't say he was a music lover - in fact far from it. He's making a statement only to justify "an ease of use product by which to pick your (i) tunes!". He was only into making money!

I can only presume his statement was made to fuel a need for his product - in real life he was a vinyl listener, and having grew up in the 60s and 70s, I refuse to believe he had a huge number of albums where he only listened to a few tracks off each, such was the art of the album back then...

 

[matthewpiano]

I enjoy the business of walking into town, browsing the CDs and LPs, picking up new releases I already knew about, and sometimes coming across something that looks interesting. I don't mind putting that bit of effort in, and I find it much more satisfying than ordering online, streaming, or downloading. I'm also quite happy to get up and turn the record over, or remove the just-finished CD and select another. Maybe its because I grew up with this approach, but I'm very happy with it and have no desire or intention to change.

 

[Vladimir]

As the name indicates, an album is a time collection, a creative period, just like we collect photos in albums representing periods of our lives. The point of an album is to collect songs as a fan of the artist(s) work. I can like someone's song or two but that doesn't make me a fan. If I like a song or two, for me the rest of the music is pointless filler on an album and I will appreciate the practicality of buying individual songs.

The album as a format was created for the fans. The rest bough singles or Varius Artist mixed collections.

 

[Al ears]

I enjoy the business of walking into town, browsing the CDs and LPs, picking up new releases I already knew about, and sometimes coming across something that looks interesting. I don't mind putting that bit of effort in, and I find it much more satisfying than ordering online, streaming, or downloading. I'm also quite happy to get up and turn the record over, or remove the just-finished CD and select another. Maybe its because I grew up with this approach, but I'm very happy with it and have no desire or intention to change.

+1

I'm the same. Whilst I utilize all formats if I have the time to actually sit and listen it's an l.p. or CD that goes on. My downloads and possibly CD's go on when I am active around the house and just want background music.

Albums are played complete and, as I 've recently upgraded my vinyl playback system, I will be buying vinyl for as long as I can albeit selectively.

 

[tonky]

I too like to listen to an artist cd/album pretty much in entirety. As a fan of an artist I like to hear albums in entirety - some tracks may be easier to access musically but there is a lot to be gained from listening to an artists' musical variety (even if it can be a little challenging).

I enjoy a little browse in local charity shops to see what gems are hiding (not many!) but it's fun. Cds certainly are popular for compilations of music - due to lengthy running time.

tonky - like Sister Sledge - lost in music

 

[Gazzip]

Daft Punk's Random Access Memories is an album designed to be listened to from start to finish. Some of the key changes between songs are sublime and are completely missed if jumping about between tracks. Likewise a lot of what Muse produce is best appreciated if listened to from beginning to end. Of course I have my favourite songs/tracks/movements from all albums but sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

 

[The_Lhc]

I enjoy the business of walking into town,

Alright for some, if I had to walk to my nearest store I'd never come home again. One does not simply walk into Ilfracombe...

 

[chebby]

I enjoy the business of walking into town,

Alright for some, if I had to walk to my nearest store I'd never come home again. One does not simply walk into Ilfracombe...

... and be seen again.

 

[Al ears]

I enjoy the business of walking into town,

Alright for some, if I had to walk to my nearest store I'd never come home again. One does not simply walk into Ilfracombe...

Surely it's the walking back out that's most knackering?

 

[Covenanter]

I haven't bought music in a shop for probably a couple of years. If you buy mainly classical like me there are very few shops that have even a half-decent selection (none in Birmingham) whereas I can get anything I want with no hassle on the net.

Chris

 

[manicm]

In the past 10 years bought CDs almost solely from Amazon. Only one chain store left here and it's really depressing cos of all the gaming peripherals they sell alongside CDs, it's like walking into a mental facility.

 

[drummerman]

I use (almost every source) for music purchases; local record store, Charity Shops, online.

The one thing I never did is buy downloads so far.

 

[MeanandGreen]

In reply to the comment attributed to SJ - "only 2 good songs on a cd - the rest is filler" - I think he's entitled to his opinion but his interest was developing an innovating product by which people could easily access only the music they wanted to hear. With a remark like that - I certainly wouldn't say he was a music lover - in fact far from it. He's making a statement only to justify "an ease of use product by which to pick your (i) tunes!". He was only into making money!

I can only presume his statement was made to fuel a need for his product - in real life he was a vinyl listener, and having grew up in the 60s and 70s, I refuse to believe he had a huge number of albums where he only listened to a few tracks off each, such was the art of the album back then...

Steve Jobs was a music lover and an Audiophile. It was reported that when he was a bachelor and beginning to make serious money, he lived in a very upmarket home with no furniture only a very high end Hi-Fi system.

 

[Andrewjvt]

Why some say its better to get up and down sticking in cds rather than playing the exact same music files from a media player. Whats the difference?

 

[MeanandGreen]

Why some say its better to get up and down sticking in cds rather than playing the exact same music files from a media player. Whats the difference?

I use both, but for me I like the 'on', 'open/close' & 'play' of a CD.

No software updates, no wifi connection, no distracting displays to navigate, something to hold in your hand and read as you play the disc.

 

[MrReaper182]

I haven't bought music in a shop for probably a couple of years. If you buy mainly classical like me there are very few shops that have even a half-decent selection (none in Birmingham) whereas I can get anything I want with no hassle on the net.

Chris

Yep, finding classical music in shops is really hard and if you happen to find some stuff (and your not just starting out buying classical music) then you probably all ready own that composer work.

 

[Andrewjvt]

Why some say its better to get up and down sticking in cds rather than playing the exact same music files from a media player. Whats the difference?

I use both, but for me I like the 'on', 'open/close' & 'play' of a CD.

No software updates, no wifi connection, no distracting displays to navigate, something to hold in your hand and read as you play the disc.

Any of that what you complain about - thats the point. Do you really hold the cd cover and read it while you listen to music?

The point im trying to make and i respect each to their own ways but most english people do not embrace change and look for any excuse not to improve.

When you put a cd in you are restricted to only that cd. If you just hit random on the media player you never know whats song/artist/genre is going to play so comes a suprise. For me it has increased my enjoyment of listening to music much more than the old fashioned pick it up, put it in, sit down.
For me i know we all different - just cant understand the difference. And annoying displays?? Where are they?

Anyway its time to enjoy 500ml of beer

 

[MeanandGreen]

Why some say its better to get up and down sticking in cds rather than playing the exact same music files from a media player. Whats the difference?

I use both, but for me I like the 'on', 'open/close' & 'play' of a CD.

No software updates, no wifi connection, no distracting displays to navigate, something to hold in your hand and read as you play the disc.

Any of that what you complain about - thats the point. Do you really hold the cd cover and read it while you listen to music?

The point im trying to make and i respect each to their own ways but most english people do not embrace change and look for any excuse not to improve.

When you put a cd in you are restricted to only that cd. If you just hit random on the media player you never know whats song/artist/genre is going to play so comes a suprise. For me it has increased my enjoyment of listening to music much more than the old fashioned pick it up, put it in, sit down. For me i know we all different - just cant understand the difference. And annoying displays?? Where are they?

Anyway its time to enjoy 500ml of beer

Like I say, I also use an iTunes library as well as CD & Vinyl. I take full of advantage of long and varied playlists played from either my computer or iPod both of which are connected to a DAC and then to my system. It is great having the facility to do that, but if I just want to listen to a particular album I'd rather play the disc.

In playing the disc I don't have to turn on a computer or similar smart device on and wait for it to start up. There are never ever any updates to wait for, (everything that runs on software has to do this at some point). There isn't a need to look at computer screen or smart device display, no they aren't annoying as such, but it's nice to have a break from screens from time to time.

I don't see the limits with playing a physical media, I have two legs and two arms I can get up and walk as well as carry a couple of albums. Changing discs is a non issue, I'm not lazy by nature.

Yes I do occasionally read the song lyrics, or read to see who has written or produced what I'm listening to. I might even read the thank you notes written by the artist or look at the pictures. I like having something to hold/look at for my money. I can even sell it on if I wish.

It's nice to have a choice and enjoy music in multiple ways. I have no problem with change, like I said I play stored media and I also stream via Vevo. I like You Tube because it's free access to music videos, I don't ever see myself paying for a music streaming service to listen to music I already own physically which I can play either physically or digitally as I fancy at the time.

 

[Andrewjvt]

Why some say its better to get up and down sticking in cds rather than playing the exact same music files from a media player. Whats the difference?

I use both, but for me I like the 'on', 'open/close' & 'play' of a CD.

No software updates, no wifi connection, no distracting displays to navigate, something to hold in your hand and read as you play the disc.

Any of that what you complain about - thats the point. Do you really hold the cd cover and read it while you listen to music?

The point im trying to make and i respect each to their own ways but most english people do not embrace change and look for any excuse not to improve.

When you put a cd in you are restricted to only that cd. If you just hit random on the media player you never know whats song/artist/genre is going to play so comes a suprise. For me it has increased my enjoyment of listening to music much more than the old fashioned pick it up, put it in, sit down. For me i know we all different - just cant understand the difference. And annoying displays?? Where are they?

Anyway its time to enjoy 500ml of beer

Like I say, I also use an iTunes library as well as CD & Vinyl. I take full of advantage of long and varied playlists played from either my computer or iPod both of which are connected to a DAC and then to my system. It is great having the facility to do that, but if I just want to listen to a particular album I'd rather play  the disc.

In playing the disc I don't have to turn on a computer or similar smart device on and wait for it to start up. There are never ever any updates to wait for, (everything that runs on software has to do this at some point). There isn't a need to look at computer screen or smart device display, no they aren't annoying as such, but it's nice to have a break from screens from time to time.?

I don't see the limits with playing a physical media, I have two legs and two arms I can get up and walk as well as carry a couple of albums. Changing discs is a non issue, I'm not lazy by nature.?

Yes I do occasionally read the song lyrics, or read to see who has written or produced what I'm listening to. I might even read the thank you notes written by the artist or look at the pictures. I like having something to hold/look at for my money. I can even sell it on if I wish.

It's nice to have a choice and enjoy music in multiple ways. I have no problem with change, like I said I play stored media and I also stream via Vevo. I like You Tube because it's free access to music videos, I don't ever see myself paying for a music streaming service to listen to music I already own physically which I can play either physically or digitally as I fancy at the time. 

I agree with the owning cd part as i own all my music also. I just rip it onto my laptop. Ive never used itunes either.

I also would hate to only stream from say tidal etc and i also have not brought any music downloads yet.

Cant wait for mqa though?

 

[eric132]

hello sting, what the future of vinyl is as being the main format, I dont know, but Im sure it will always be around and continue to be produced.

How are those cupcakes, sting?

 

[Frank Harvey]

The point im trying to make and i respect each to their own ways but most english people do not embrace change and look for any excuse not to improve.

When you put a cd in you are restricted to only that cd. If you just hit random on the media player you never know whats song/artist/genre is going to play so comes a suprise. For me it has increased my enjoyment of listening to music much more than the old fashioned pick it up, put it in, sit down.

Some people are quite happy with their current number of preferred artists, and some may have no interest in modern music. More fool them I say, but some people are like that, as the opposite is someone like me who is always looking for something new - and costs me a bloody fortune.

 

[The_Lhc]

Why some say its better to get up and down sticking in cds rather than playing the exact same music files from a media player. Whats the difference?

I use both, but for me I like the 'on', 'open/close' & 'play' of a CD.

No software updates, no wifi connection, no distracting displays to navigate, something to hold in your hand and read as you play the disc.

Any of that what you complain about - thats the point. Do you really hold the cd cover and read it while you listen to music?

The point im trying to make and i respect each to their own ways but most english people do not embrace change and look for any excuse not to improve.

When you put a cd in you are restricted to only that cd. If you just hit random on the media player you never know whats song/artist/genre is going to play so comes a suprise. For me it has increased my enjoyment of listening to music much more than the old fashioned pick it up, put it in, sit down. For me i know we all different - just cant understand the difference. And annoying displays?? Where are they?

Anyway its time to enjoy 500ml of beer

Like I say, I also use an iTunes library as well as CD & Vinyl. I take full of advantage of long and varied playlists played from either my computer or iPod both of which are connected to a DAC and then to my system. It is great having the facility to do that, but if I just want to listen to a particular album I'd rather play  the disc.

In playing the disc I don't have to turn on a computer or similar smart device on and wait for it to start up.

Neither do I, my music is stored on a NAS and played using Sonos, both of which are always on. Assuming I've left a queue loaded I can just walk past a Sonos player and hit play and the music is instant. I've never seen a CD player that doesn't take a few seconds to spin up the CD before it starts playing.

There are never ever any updates to wait for, (everything that runs on software has to do this at some point).

Yes, Sonos has updates, but they're never forced and never required before you can play music, so you can wait until a later time when you're doing something else (it's one button press and the system does the rest itself).

 

[MeanandGreen]

Why some say its better to get up and down sticking in cds rather than playing the exact same music files from a media player. Whats the difference?

I use both, but for me I like the 'on', 'open/close' & 'play' of a CD.

No software updates, no wifi connection, no distracting displays to navigate, something to hold in your hand and read as you play the disc.

Any of that what you complain about - thats the point. Do you really hold the cd cover and read it while you listen to music?

The point im trying to make and i respect each to their own ways but most english people do not embrace change and look for any excuse not to improve.

When you put a cd in you are restricted to only that cd. If you just hit random on the media player you never know whats song/artist/genre is going to play so comes a suprise. For me it has increased my enjoyment of listening to music much more than the old fashioned pick it up, put it in, sit down. For me i know we all different - just cant understand the difference. And annoying displays?? Where are they?

Anyway its time to enjoy 500ml of beer

Like I say, I also use an iTunes library as well as CD & Vinyl. I take full of advantage of long and varied playlists played from either my computer or iPod both of which are connected to a DAC and then to my system. It is great having the facility to do that, but if I just want to listen to a particular album I'd rather play the disc.

In playing the disc I don't have to turn on a computer or similar smart device on and wait for it to start up.

Neither do I, my music is stored on a NAS and played using Sonos, both of which are always on. Assuming I've left a queue loaded I can just walk past a Sonos player and hit play and the music is instant. I've never seen a CD player that doesn't take a few seconds to spin up the CD before it starts playing.

There are never ever any updates to wait for, (everything that runs on software has to do this at some point).

Yes, Sonos has updates, but they're never forced and never required before you can play music, so you can wait until a later time when you're doing something else (it's one button press and the system does the rest itself).

It's all down to personal preference.

Personally I have no desire to go down the NAS or Sonos route. I shared a NAS drive with my ex, when we split up I let her keep it as I never used it. I couldn't see the point in streaming my music over wifi when I had music storage devices hard wired to the hifi. I also don't like devices left switched on, it's noisy and wasteful of energy. Plus for safety reasons I don't like stuff on and running in an unattended house.

iTunes doesn't force updates either, but the tango remote app I use must be up to date across all my iOS devices sometimes I have to update a device seperately if it hasn't automatically done so. It's not a huge issue, but it is something that never ever has to be done with physical media.

If I buy a new CD I can open it and play it straight away, I don't have to rip it before I can hear it.

I can see why music storage is a good thing and how it is popular, like I said I do use digital storage myself. My entire physical collection is ripped to iTunes including my vinyl as well as CD collection. I often create playlists and play them no hassle at all.

I don't see why people can't also enjoy playing physical formats alongside storage or streaming formats?

It's like this for me. If I want background music whilst vacuuming, or pottering about, or making dinner etc... I go for a playlist. I can control it from my iPad wherever I am in the house, great! If I want to chill on my sofa with an album and a cup of tea then it's CD or vinyl for me.

Why is it those who only play music via a network feel the need to convert others who don't need nor want converted? What is so wrong with playing a CD?

I watch Netflix, so should I no longer play DVD's or Blu Ray discs?

This isn't aimed at any particular person, but a few of you seem dead against playing a physical format and I can't see why?

 

[The_Lhc]

Why some say its better to get up and down sticking in cds rather than playing the exact same music files from a media player. Whats the difference?

I use both, but for me I like the 'on', 'open/close' & 'play' of a CD.

No software updates, no wifi connection, no distracting displays to navigate, something to hold in your hand and read as you play the disc.

Any of that what you complain about - thats the point. Do you really hold the cd cover and read it while you listen to music?

The point im trying to make and i respect each to their own ways but most english people do not embrace change and look for any excuse not to improve.

When you put a cd in you are restricted to only that cd. If you just hit random on the media player you never know whats song/artist/genre is going to play so comes a suprise. For me it has increased my enjoyment of listening to music much more than the old fashioned pick it up, put it in, sit down. For me i know we all different - just cant understand the difference. And annoying displays?? Where are they?

Anyway its time to enjoy 500ml of beer

Like I say, I also use an iTunes library as well as CD & Vinyl. I take full of advantage of long and varied playlists played from either my computer or iPod both of which are connected to a DAC and then to my system. It is great having the facility to do that, but if I just want to listen to a particular album I'd rather play  the disc.

In playing the disc I don't have to turn on a computer or similar smart device on and wait for it to start up.

Neither do I, my music is stored on a NAS and played using Sonos, both of which are always on. Assuming I've left a queue loaded I can just walk past a Sonos player and hit play and the music is instant. I've never seen a CD player that doesn't take a few seconds to spin up the CD before it starts playing.

There are never ever any updates to wait for, (everything that runs on software has to do this at some point).

Yes, Sonos has updates, but they're never forced and never required before you can play music, so you can wait until a later time when you're doing something else (it's one button press and the system does the rest itself).

It's all down to personal preference.

Personally I have no desire to go down the NAS or Sonos route. I shared a NAS drive with my ex, when we split up I let her keep it as I never used it. I couldn't see the point in streaming my music over wifi when I had music storage devices hard wired to the hifi.

My NAS is hard-wired to my network, as is my Sonos, what's your point?

I also don't like devices left switched on, it's noisy and wasteful of energy.

You don't leave your amp and CD player on all the time then? Or your PC that you play your iTunes from?

Plus for safety reasons I don't like stuff on and running in an unattended house. 

I turn my stuff off when we're away for any length of time.

iTunes doesn't force updates either, but the tango remote app I use must be up to date across all my iOS devices sometimes I have to update a device seperately if it hasn't automatically done so.

Other software is no doubt available.

If I buy a new CD I can open it and play it straight away, I don't have to rip it before I can hear it. 

Sure, once you've come in, switched everything on, put the CD in, waited for it to spin up and ready the toc, you find the remote...

I can see why music storage is a good thing and how it is popular, like I said I do use digital storage myself. My entire physical collection is ripped to iTunes including my vinyl as well as CD collection. I often create playlists and play them no hassle at all.?

?

I don't see why people can't also enjoy playing physical formats alongside storage or streaming formats??

It's like this for me. If I want background music whilst vacuuming, or pottering about, or making dinner etc... I go for a playlist. I can control it from my iPad wherever I am in the house, great! If I want to chill on my sofa with an album and a cup of tea then it's CD or vinyl for me.?

Why is it those who only play music via a network feel the need to convert others who don't need nor want converted?

I've no idea, I couldn't dream of living without my vinyl.

What is so wrong with playing a CD? 

Nothing, simply pointing out that your objections are trivial to non-existent at the worst.

This isn't aimed at any particular person, but a few of you seem dead against playing a physical format and I can't see why? 

There is no reason but you don't gain anything by playing the CD, it is in no measurable or definable way "better" than playing a digital file.

 

[tonky]

The point im trying to make and i respect each to their own ways but most english people do not embrace change and look for any excuse not to improve.. - andrewjvt

Hi Andrewjvt - don't quite follow that point - not seen any evidence of this on the forum - explain ? - bit of a narrow viewpoint? Lots of ridiculous comments from some on this board at times - just another one?

I love modern technology and how it has revolutionised the music listening experience. Lots of choice for everyone - feel free to choose what suits. Vinyl still sounds great ( got rid of mine long ago tho!) Never bought a download yet either. Internet radio - spotify - cds - streaming off laptop hard drive - all do it for me . Best quality for sure is cd and hard drive streaming - fact! May go for the NAS option in the near future.

cheers tonky