fayeanddavid said:
And they have arrived!!!
Need some time now to fix them up...............................maybe this weekend.
Will let all know
RickyDeg said:
They're up, installed and running in!
Watched Hunger Games Catching Fire on BluRay last night just to give the new speakers a burst, sounded pretty good, so now we will leave them to run in.
Impressed so far, wife not so as we've moved from flat panel to a 140mm depth, but hey ho she is very tolerant..........................most of the time (except KEF LS50s which were a no no!
RickyDeg said:
They're up, installed and running in!
Watched Hunger Games Catching Fire on BluRay last night just to give the new speakers a burst, sounded pretty good, so now we will leave them to run in.
Impressed so far, wife not so as we've moved from flat panel to a 140mm depth, but hey ho she is very tolerant..........................most of the time (except KEF LS50s which were a no no!
ellisdj said:next get the rears to match - mixing and matching is not a good way to go
It's an idea but not really enough room in our layout, possibly go for one more (6.1) but not to 7.1
Tempting as it sounds though!
ellisdj said:
Just bought and installed 2 x A40s, haven't changed sig as yet
Matched the LCR A40s now, very pleased with myself
Glad to hear it. I just changed my Yamaha receiver for an anthem and the improvement in sound is obvious. Anthem and apex is a good match.
Finger trouble I think, but not been able to edit my account settings as yet to reflect the 5 x MA Apex 40s that are now installed.
And on to the the Apex A40s;
The best complement I can give is; that the surrounds now blend so well that they seem unnoticeable, they are just there and don't draw any attention to themselves.
Other surrounds I've had in the past seem to cause attention when the really work, (over here for your left, oh no over hear for the right), these (A40s) just blend, always working with aural support on soundtracks but never drawing attention to themselves unless asked to
They've now been installed for approx 3 weeks, and apart from a minor gripe that theyare not as discreet as before (that'll be the wife), they just "do the business"
So very good, almost too good as they don't shout out they just do the job totally seamlessy (as they should)
Now, what about that new sub??
What should it be?
And on to the the Apex A40s;
The best complement I can give is; that the surrounds now blend so well that they seem unnoticeable, they are just there and don't draw any attention to themselves.
Other surrounds I've had in the past seem to cause attention when the really work, (over here for your left, oh no over hear for the right), these (A40s) just blend, always working with aural support on soundtracks but never drawing attention to themselves unless asked to
They've now been installed for approx 3 weeks, and apart from a minor gripe that theyare not as discreet as before (that'll be the wife), they just "do the business"
So very good, almost too good as they don't shout out they just do the job totally seamlessy (as they should)
Now, what about that new sub??
What should it be?
You could do worse than the paradigm seismic 110. I dropped a monolith in favour of it and am pleased. Discreet in size like the apex.
After three years of faithful service I'm about to abandon my beloved Apex system in favour of a 5.1 Ken Kreisel Quattro Q125 system. WOOP! WOOP!
Because the system isn't sold/demoed in stores in my country I'm buying blind. Judging by the amazing feedback I doubt I'll regret it. I must mention that Apex have not only been truly great but also reinforced my conviction that a sub/sat system done right can perform to unprecedented levels.
Thank you Monitor Audio! Now off to find a second-hand buyer! Reckon that won't be too difficult!
Because the system isn't sold/demoed in stores in my country I'm buying blind. Judging by the amazing feedback I doubt I'll regret it. I must mention that Apex have not only been truly great but also reinforced my conviction that a sub/sat system done right can perform to unprecedented levels.
Thank you Monitor Audio! Now off to find a second-hand buyer! Reckon that won't be too difficult!
Not yet I'm afraid I want to wait til I get these in place and then get a new measurement by the specialist. He promised to come in once I had these installed and run-in.
Plus, I'm still to decide what motif to have printed on the acoustic panels. I'm thinking white stone brick wall would blend in nicely with my otherwise white decor. I would never dream of installing ugly plain looking panels and/or bass traps if they ruin the look of my livingroom. No bloody way.
I want to wait til I get these in place and then get a new measurement by the specialist. He promised to come in once I had these installed and run-in.Plus, I'm still to decide what motif to have printed on the acoustic panels. I'm thinking white stone brick wall would blend in nicely with my otherwise white decor. I would never dream of installing ugly plain looking panels and/or bass traps if they ruin the look of my livingroom. No bloody way.
They dont look the best - but they sound the best - or they allow the kit to sound its best. I thought would have had this done by now hence why you was buying new speakers
You can change everything equipment wise but the room will still have the same impact on the kit - doesnt matter if its cost £100 or £100000.
The room can make kit sound very simialr I have learnt this myself.
Its a hard fact of sound reproduction. Some people are lucky and have better rooms than others but I have heard £70k speakers in a bad room sound the same - Bad! That room was a normal living room with carpet and fairly low ceiling with the speakers pointing directly at a big window behind the listener.
I Know the MK's are supposed to direct more sound at the listener - while thats great its also of no consequence as its the non direct sound thats the problem - it will still hit a reflective surface then back to the listener exactly the same smearing the end result and causing all manner of problems - flutter echo, ringing, freq peaks and dip etc.
I am saying this as you were half way to getting it done. Small sacrifice to how the room looks which to be honest you wont care about after as the sound will be so much better and your keen enough on it to spend the money you do that you will appreciate it
PS measurements are just for before and after to show the effects of the panelling. It will make little difference to where they are placed as a corner will still be a corner no matter what speakers you buy, a side wall or ceiling will still be that. Although I cant see you putting them up on the ceiling
The only negative is that if you have a bad room then you need a lot of acoustic treatment to make it sound like it should, but its always the best investment - check this thread out from page 10
You can change everything equipment wise but the room will still have the same impact on the kit - doesnt matter if its cost £100 or £100000.
The room can make kit sound very simialr I have learnt this myself.
Its a hard fact of sound reproduction. Some people are lucky and have better rooms than others but I have heard £70k speakers in a bad room sound the same - Bad! That room was a normal living room with carpet and fairly low ceiling with the speakers pointing directly at a big window behind the listener.
I Know the MK's are supposed to direct more sound at the listener - while thats great its also of no consequence as its the non direct sound thats the problem - it will still hit a reflective surface then back to the listener exactly the same smearing the end result and causing all manner of problems - flutter echo, ringing, freq peaks and dip etc.
I am saying this as you were half way to getting it done. Small sacrifice to how the room looks which to be honest you wont care about after as the sound will be so much better and your keen enough on it to spend the money you do that you will appreciate it
PS measurements are just for before and after to show the effects of the panelling. It will make little difference to where they are placed as a corner will still be a corner no matter what speakers you buy, a side wall or ceiling will still be that. Although I cant see you putting them up on the ceiling
The only negative is that if you have a bad room then you need a lot of acoustic treatment to make it sound like it should, but its always the best investment - check this thread out from page 10
Hey, I agree with what you saying, ellisdj, absolutely. I think we already eastablished that?
I didn't get cold feel or anything, it wasn't about whether I choose to acoustically treat my listening room or not. What I meant was I will not pick an ugly looking acoustic treatment if I can find one that works AND looks nice at the same time (it's a livingroom after all). The other reason I been waiting was due to repairs in my livingroom and re-painting of my walls. Now I need to wait a bit further until I have my new speakersystem in place. Makes perfect sense to me.
These are the treatments I was recommended by my acoustic consultant:
Sounds Of Science - Hetz:
http://www.sofsci.com/panel-types/Hertz
Sounds Of Science - Superchunk:
http://www.sofsci.com/panel-types/superchunk
Sounds Of Science - Superchunk Corner:
http://www.sofsci.com/panel-types/corner
The above panels will work in any combination. It's just a matter which ones, how many of each and where to place them for best effect in my particular space and judging by the results of the measurements after my new speakers are in place. Then I'll just pick what motif I wish to have on the panels (Sounds Of Science can produce the above with basically any motif). I've spoken with several people that have installed Sounds Of Science products with great success and actually one of my friends did so recently in his home theater basement. I got a chance last month to listen to the sound with vs without the treatment and improvements were unmistakable.
I didn't get cold feel or anything, it wasn't about whether I choose to acoustically treat my listening room or not. What I meant was I will not pick an ugly looking acoustic treatment if I can find one that works AND looks nice at the same time (it's a livingroom after all). The other reason I been waiting was due to repairs in my livingroom and re-painting of my walls. Now I need to wait a bit further until I have my new speakersystem in place. Makes perfect sense to me.
These are the treatments I was recommended by my acoustic consultant:
Sounds Of Science - Hetz:
http://www.sofsci.com/panel-types/Hertz
Sounds Of Science - Superchunk:
http://www.sofsci.com/panel-types/superchunk
Sounds Of Science - Superchunk Corner:
http://www.sofsci.com/panel-types/corner
The above panels will work in any combination. It's just a matter which ones, how many of each and where to place them for best effect in my particular space and judging by the results of the measurements after my new speakers are in place. Then I'll just pick what motif I wish to have on the panels (Sounds Of Science can produce the above with basically any motif). I've spoken with several people that have installed Sounds Of Science products with great success and actually one of my friends did so recently in his home theater basement. I got a chance last month to listen to the sound with vs without the treatment and improvements were unmistakable.
Its hard to gauge those stats result because it doesnt say what the meaurements are and whether they are in sabins or not?
If its sabins then those panels only have a minimal affect - I dont think they would advertise that if that was the case if that makes sense??
But by my reconning you need as many super chunks in corners as you can otherwise there will be no bass absorption at all from the other designs
Maybe some super chunks behind you as well but this might be difficult in your room - but the back wall is a good place for bass traps
Then you will need the Hertz at first reflections - side walls and celiling, maybe behind the speakers as well
I like the idea of white brick - that seems a good idea - in the future and what some colour in your life a design that will work on colour as well is a good idea I think white bricks is a safe idea.
Sometimes solid colour or plain can be made to look good I have been searching for a picture of a studio my cousin sent that is fanatstic with all plain coloured panels
Measuring makes little difference if you not going the whole hog, its just to show the effects of the treatment visually - any speaker will do the same job. Its suprising how much is needed to actually make any difference to the measurements - especially freq reponse. Decay is different
If its sabins then those panels only have a minimal affect - I dont think they would advertise that if that was the case if that makes sense??
But by my reconning you need as many super chunks in corners as you can otherwise there will be no bass absorption at all from the other designs
Maybe some super chunks behind you as well but this might be difficult in your room - but the back wall is a good place for bass traps
Then you will need the Hertz at first reflections - side walls and celiling, maybe behind the speakers as well
I like the idea of white brick - that seems a good idea - in the future and what some colour in your life a design that will work on colour as well is a good idea
I think white bricks is a safe idea.Sometimes solid colour or plain can be made to look good I have been searching for a picture of a studio my cousin sent that is fanatstic with all plain coloured panels
Measuring makes little difference if you not going the whole hog, its just to show the effects of the treatment visually - any speaker will do the same job. Its suprising how much is needed to actually make any difference to the measurements - especially freq reponse. Decay is different
I think its advertising the panel coefficient - which is different - it shows the broadband nature of the product which is great and what its intended for.
It doesnt show how much energy it absorbs as well which is a shame
It doesnt show how much energy it absorbs as well which is a shame
I'm sure informative wise they might lack a bit, I'm not sure as I'm not deeply knowledgeable on the details. All I know is my acoustic consultant recommends them (along other alternatives too, but those looked like crap and won't come anywhere near my livingspace... especially since I have to pay for it lol). Feedback I've heard on real-world use from owners of these panels have been very positive so that's what I'm going by for the most part. I'm excited.
Anyhoo... off topic! Sorry Apex-lovers! :doh:
Anyhoo... off topic! Sorry Apex-lovers! :doh:
Defo - its not the end of the world how they advertise, Its very interesting to me thats all.
Their panels built from wood fibre which by the looks of it makes it rigid - they can then wrap it in materal - Good idea
Their panels built from wood fibre which by the looks of it makes it rigid - they can then wrap it in materal - Good idea
Without sounding like a broken record I have just found this review Its Home Theatre Review - many good and complex reviews on thuis site of very good kit - I was searching for some specific info and came across it by chance. It didnt have the info I needed but did have some interesting reading
This paragraph sums it up for me
Performance
I've reviewed products that have made me downright giddy, ones that have elicited an uncontrollable urge to grin from ear to ear with excitement. However I've never reviewed a product that has made me want to go back through the hundreds of reviews I've done in the past and label them BG (before GIK) and AG (after GIK), for the effect the Tri-Traps, Monster Bass Traps and 242 Acoustic panels had on my system's sound was that profound. Words I often use to describe a product's sound, be it a source component or loudspeaker, were given new meaning with the GIK Acoustic products in my room. Products that I've used for months and even years in some cases, were rendered anew courtesy of the GIK Acoustic treatments, for they transformed the sound of my system from "wow" to "you've got to be kidding." That last quote came from my wife, who thinks every product that comes through the door sounds the same...until now.
This is not as typical wife comment - she was half right for once
In the conclusion are these comments
Every audiophile and home theater enthusiast knows their room is the key to audio nirvana, yet few take the steps necessary to achieve it.
This paragraph sums it up for me
Performance
I've reviewed products that have made me downright giddy, ones that have elicited an uncontrollable urge to grin from ear to ear with excitement. However I've never reviewed a product that has made me want to go back through the hundreds of reviews I've done in the past and label them BG (before GIK) and AG (after GIK), for the effect the Tri-Traps, Monster Bass Traps and 242 Acoustic panels had on my system's sound was that profound. Words I often use to describe a product's sound, be it a source component or loudspeaker, were given new meaning with the GIK Acoustic products in my room. Products that I've used for months and even years in some cases, were rendered anew courtesy of the GIK Acoustic treatments, for they transformed the sound of my system from "wow" to "you've got to be kidding." That last quote came from my wife, who thinks every product that comes through the door sounds the same...until now.
This is not as typical wife comment - she was half right for once
In the conclusion are these comments
Every audiophile and home theater enthusiast knows their room is the key to audio nirvana, yet few take the steps necessary to achieve it.
Hi guys I have had my apex system for a while now, but I have moved it to a different room in house it was wall mounted before, I have now purchased apex stands thanks (David at Frank Harvey) any way I have a couple of questions which I am sure you guys will be able to answer for me.
The centre speaker is on a shelf now under the tv and the speaker came with little rubber feet the problem is 4 rubbers,but 2 attached together so shall I mount the on each side in half way from front to back or cut them so 1 in each corner? I am sure won't make a massive difference, but I thought I would get some advice so it is done best possible way.
2nd question sub is now on carpet so should I use the spike feet option as still have the cones on as had on a wooden floor before
Thanks in advance
The centre speaker is on a shelf now under the tv and the speaker came with little rubber feet the problem is 4 rubbers,but 2 attached together so shall I mount the on each side in half way from front to back or cut them so 1 in each corner? I am sure won't make a massive difference, but I thought I would get some advice so it is done best possible way.
2nd question sub is now on carpet so should I use the spike feet option as still have the cones on as had on a wooden floor before
Thanks in advance
michael hoy
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